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I am sorry, but the site below does not have specific HCI
content and will not be included in the HCI Bibliography.
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Gary Perlman, Director, HCI Bibliography Project
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Hi John,

Up to my dying breath, I will recommend you as brilliant and personable,
so, yes, I would be happy to serve as a reference.

I am still at OCLC, and hcibib.org should have correct info.

Srini is doing some sort of entrepreneurial thing with India.
I can't quite figure it out. He seems to be doing well:
 	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0Pk2dGFcA

Ed is a professor at Mississippi State:
 	http://www.cse.msstate.edu/~swan/

I looked over the MIN program ("Take MIN to the MAX!") and it looks like fun.
I am not sure how you would fit into Media Informatics,
given that it is in Communications, and most of the professors
in journalism, broadcasting, etc.
Most students would probably not be into the technology aspects,
so I am not sure what they have in mind;
maybe a survey media technology course.
Still, it seems like you are a better match for computer science.

Given your experience with mobile devices,
I was a little surprised not see see much in MIN in mobile, what with the
pervasiveness of mobile and the surging popularity of responsive web design.
Maybe it's a topic worth discussing.

As for me, I just putter around with search usability, internationlaization,
and accessibility. I still update the HCIBIB, mainly by writing scripts to
import data into the database. And in other areas of compulsive information
organization disorder, I am deep into genealogy and cataloging satirical comics.
Caroline is doing fine at McGill and we just sent Mark off to Univ of Chicago
to study math. George finishes high school this year and is on two basketball
teams. I don't know if you recall Caroline's height, but Mark is 6' 3 1/2"
and George is not far behind, but still growing at 15.

Gary

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> I hope you and your family are well. 8^)
>
> I'm applying for a teaching position, and they're asking me for contact
> info for references.  I'd like to again use you as a reference, but I
> want to make sure I have current contact information.  If you're still
> at OCLC and your HCIBIB contact info is current, I can just use that.
>
> The position is in the Media Informatics program at Northern Kentucky
> University (here in the Cincinnati area).  After all these years, I've
> still never had an academic position, but this looks promising - a
> professor there actually approached me about it.  And, I'm ready to give
> it a try.
>
> My last position had a fancy title (Director of Engineering, at a local
> company that sells hospital-grade Android-based TVs), but the job itself
> I had trouble taking seriously, frankly.  The product was actually made
> in China (I was hired to bring development back here, but it turned out
> that wasn't going to happen); my staff were primarily interns, and my
> "office" was a cubicle in a loft above a noisy factory floor.  But
> positions where I mentor interns seems to be the pattern in recent
> years, so I think it will be good for me to make teaching my official
> job, finally... 8^)
>
> I have to tell you, I've considered moving to Canada, too.  Maybe
> Vancouver, and I've heard good things about Toronto and Montreal.
>
> BTW, have you heard from Ed and Srini recently?  I think about all of
> you from time to time, but, sadly, I've never been the kind of person
> who keeps in touch with people.  Still pretty much a hermit - and my
> sisters still pick on me for it...
>

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I work in a User Experience group with designers and researchers.
I'm the only one who programs, and it strikes me as a bit odd
when designers talk about wireframes or screenshots when
adding to the development environment can be a lot quicker.
More than once, we are in a metting, discussing an idea,
and by the end of the meeting, people can try it in a real system.
But your comment on working well together is key.
Designers can use various tools and techniques, often very effectively,
to develop and test ideas, and somehow, it all works together.
I think that your job will be to help students make the ideas
(e.g., stories) and technology all work together.
I don't really know the current crop of tools that designers
and movie makers and other communicators use, but I suspect that
the MIN program has preferences for some neat systems that
you could learn easily and teach effectively.

I think you should ask them what they have in mind.

Finally, thinking about the match between you and CS versus Communications,
the MIN program might have strong feelings about you NOT spending time
outside the MIN program. I would not mention this to anyone, but keep it
as a way to explain some biases. Communications might want to make sure
that you focus on their needs.

From their heights at ages 2 and 3, we pegged Mark to end up at 6'2"
and George and inch taller, so George might hit 6'4" or 6'5", which
borders on on inconvenient. Their cousin, through Caroline's brother,
is 6'5". Here's little Mark:
 	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Mark-Moves-On/DSC00619.JPG
and here are the two boys gettig ready to pick apples.
 	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Apple-Picking/DSC00530.JPG
George has grown since then. Want more pics?
 	http://perlman.ca/pictures/
which reminds me: you still owe me a graduation picture!

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> You're too kind, Gary... 8^)
>
> I appreciate it yet again.
>
> I have to tell you honestly - this kinda haunts me, but you advised me
> to try to publish more while I was still at OSU, and I really both could
> have and should have done that, but I was too absorbed in the fledgling
> Linux movement.  I'm glad I was involved in that, but I'd have done a
> lot better in career terms had I paid more attention to potential
> academic opportunities.
>
> As time passes, the idea of an academic position appeals more and more
> to me.  Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" feeling, to go with the bad
> economy, etc.  But then, of my committee members, only Anish is still
> teaching.
>
> I'm not sure how I'd fit in that program either, and I did notice they
> didn't have anyone with backgrounds similar to mine, but they try to
> teach programming, and it may be they need someone with more background
> and experience in that respect.  But it does really seem interesting,
> and I have always had an interest, informally, in this kind of thing;
> I'm hoping I can just stay ahead of the students... 8^)
>
> I mentored an intern who was in a graphics design major who'd learned a
> bit of web-related and other programming: Javascript, Java, C++, but he
> wasn't frankly very comfortable with programming.  He was, though, a
> good graphics designer - I was very impressed with what he knew and what
> he could do, and we worked very well together.  I'm guessing this will
> be an environment with people more like him, and I think I'd actually
> enjoy that, at least for a while.
>
> 6 3/12?!!  Wow!  Speaking of basketball, though, my cousin's youngest
> son is in Canada, playing basketball at U Manitoba (Stephan Walton - he
> plays point guard).  He's actually a master's student - he graduated
> from Valdosta in Georgia, but he had some eligibility left.
>
> I hope you're health is OK;  I'm hanging in.  My PSA just went a bit
> high and I'm in the process of getting that checked out. I don't think
> it's a problem, though; and otherwise - except that I still struggle
> with my weight - I'm doing fine.
>
> Compulsive information organization disorder... 8^)  That's good, Gary.
> I don't have that; don't be hard on yourself. 8^)
>
>
> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:20 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Up to my dying breath, I will recommend you as brilliant and personable,
>> so, yes, I would be happy to serve as a reference.
>>
>> I am still at OCLC, and hcibib.org should have correct info.
>>
>> Srini is doing some sort of entrepreneurial thing with India.
>> I can't quite figure it out. He seems to be doing well:
>>  	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0Pk2dGFcA
>>
>> Ed is a professor at Mississippi State:
>>  	http://www.cse.msstate.edu/~swan/
>>
>> I looked over the MIN program ("Take MIN to the MAX!") and it looks like fun.
>> I am not sure how you would fit into Media Informatics,
>> given that it is in Communications, and most of the professors
>> in journalism, broadcasting, etc.
>> Most students would probably not be into the technology aspects,
>> so I am not sure what they have in mind;
>> maybe a survey media technology course.
>> Still, it seems like you are a better match for computer science.
>>
>> Given your experience with mobile devices,
>> I was a little surprised not see see much in MIN in mobile, what with the
>> pervasiveness of mobile and the surging popularity of responsive web design.
>> Maybe it's a topic worth discussing.
>>
>> As for me, I just putter around with search usability, internationlaization,
>> and accessibility. I still update the HCIBIB, mainly by writing scripts to
>> import data into the database. And in other areas of compulsive information
>> organization disorder, I am deep into genealogy and cataloging satirical comics.
>> Caroline is doing fine at McGill and we just sent Mark off to Univ of Chicago
>> to study math. George finishes high school this year and is on two basketball
>> teams. I don't know if you recall Caroline's height, but Mark is 6' 3 1/2"
>> and George is not far behind, but still growing at 15.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> I hope you and your family are well. 8^)
>>>
>>> I'm applying for a teaching position, and they're asking me for contact
>>> info for references.  I'd like to again use you as a reference, but I
>>> want to make sure I have current contact information.  If you're still
>>> at OCLC and your HCIBIB contact info is current, I can just use that.
>>>
>>> The position is in the Media Informatics program at Northern Kentucky
>>> University (here in the Cincinnati area).  After all these years, I've
>>> still never had an academic position, but this looks promising - a
>>> professor there actually approached me about it.  And, I'm ready to give
>>> it a try.
>>>
>>> My last position had a fancy title (Director of Engineering, at a local
>>> company that sells hospital-grade Android-based TVs), but the job itself
>>> I had trouble taking seriously, frankly.  The product was actually made
>>> in China (I was hired to bring development back here, but it turned out
>>> that wasn't going to happen); my staff were primarily interns, and my
>>> "office" was a cubicle in a loft above a noisy factory floor.  But
>>> positions where I mentor interns seems to be the pattern in recent
>>> years, so I think it will be good for me to make teaching my official
>>> job, finally... 8^)
>>>
>>> I have to tell you, I've considered moving to Canada, too.  Maybe
>>> Vancouver, and I've heard good things about Toronto and Montreal.
>>>
>>> BTW, have you heard from Ed and Srini recently?  I think about all of
>>> you from time to time, but, sadly, I've never been the kind of person
>>> who keeps in touch with people.  Still pretty much a hermit - and my
>>> sisters still pick on me for it...
>>>
>
>

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Very distinguished picture - you look like a judge.

Mark is not in grad school, just a freshman in 2nd year honors analysis.
I barely understand it, even though I am doing some "work" in the area:
modeled after the de-plantization of Pluto, I am petitioning for the
decertification of pi as a number. Could another publication in the
Journal of Irreproducible Results be in my future?

On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> You're confirming my own experience.  And, I must tell you, I think of
> you as a model, or someone whose primary focus is not programming but
> who is an expert programmer.   So I agree with your first paragraph,
> entirely.
>
> I've looked around at what kinds of tools are in use these days.  It
> seems there's a trend away from proprietary tools towards open source
> tools.  But programming in one form or another is central to all of
> them, it seems to me.
>
> Thanks for the tip about CS vs. communications; but I'm not keen on
> getting back to CS academically; it really hadn't crossed my mind, to be
> honest.  I really do like the idea of working collaboratively with more
> artistically gifted people and supporting them, and I think that would
> be plenty.
>
> I had applied a few years ago for a position in NKU's CS department;
> never heard back from them.  But I've worked with a few NKU grads with
> more media-related majors, and they've impressed me.  I think their MIN
> program is a centerpiece of the school, and in that respect I think a
> position there represents a better opportunity, even if it's not as good
> a fit for me personally.  I really am looking forward to it, as much for
> what I might learn as anything else.
>
> I've never made it to 6'.  I think I've gotten shorter over the years -
> gravity...  I wish I was taller.  Sigh...
>
> I don't remember if anyone took a graduation picture, I'll ask my
> sisters - but I still also owe something else I'm not gonna mention...
> But I'm attaching a picture of me in a suit (from last Easter, taken at
> my Dad's condo).  I bought a bunch of dress clothes last year, not for
> job interviews and such, but just because I wanted to start looking
> better - I've never paid much attention to my appearance, and it did, I
> think, lift my spirits some...  It was fun - I love french cuff dress
> shirts and cufflinks, always have, but my neck was too big, and for
> years I couldn't find dress shirts in my size.
>
> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 21:32 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>> I work in a User Experience group with designers and researchers.
>> I'm the only one who programs, and it strikes me as a bit odd
>> when designers talk about wireframes or screenshots when
>> adding to the development environment can be a lot quicker.
>> More than once, we are in a metting, discussing an idea,
>> and by the end of the meeting, people can try it in a real system.
>> But your comment on working well together is key.
>> Designers can use various tools and techniques, often very effectively,
>> to develop and test ideas, and somehow, it all works together.
>> I think that your job will be to help students make the ideas
>> (e.g., stories) and technology all work together.
>> I don't really know the current crop of tools that designers
>> and movie makers and other communicators use, but I suspect that
>> the MIN program has preferences for some neat systems that
>> you could learn easily and teach effectively.
>>
>> I think you should ask them what they have in mind.
>>
>> Finally, thinking about the match between you and CS versus Communications,
>> the MIN program might have strong feelings about you NOT spending time
>> outside the MIN program. I would not mention this to anyone, but keep it
>> as a way to explain some biases. Communications might want to make sure
>> that you focus on their needs.
>>
>> From their heights at ages 2 and 3, we pegged Mark to end up at 6'2"
>> and George and inch taller, so George might hit 6'4" or 6'5", which
>> borders on on inconvenient. Their cousin, through Caroline's brother,
>> is 6'5". Here's little Mark:
>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Mark-Moves-On/DSC00619.JPG
>> and here are the two boys gettig ready to pick apples.
>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Apple-Picking/DSC00530.JPG
>> George has grown since then. Want more pics?
>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/
>> which reminds me: you still owe me a graduation picture!
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>
>>> You're too kind, Gary... 8^)
>>>
>>> I appreciate it yet again.
>>>
>>> I have to tell you honestly - this kinda haunts me, but you advised me
>>> to try to publish more while I was still at OSU, and I really both could
>>> have and should have done that, but I was too absorbed in the fledgling
>>> Linux movement.  I'm glad I was involved in that, but I'd have done a
>>> lot better in career terms had I paid more attention to potential
>>> academic opportunities.
>>>
>>> As time passes, the idea of an academic position appeals more and more
>>> to me.  Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" feeling, to go with the bad
>>> economy, etc.  But then, of my committee members, only Anish is still
>>> teaching.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure how I'd fit in that program either, and I did notice they
>>> didn't have anyone with backgrounds similar to mine, but they try to
>>> teach programming, and it may be they need someone with more background
>>> and experience in that respect.  But it does really seem interesting,
>>> and I have always had an interest, informally, in this kind of thing;
>>> I'm hoping I can just stay ahead of the students... 8^)
>>>
>>> I mentored an intern who was in a graphics design major who'd learned a
>>> bit of web-related and other programming: Javascript, Java, C++, but he
>>> wasn't frankly very comfortable with programming.  He was, though, a
>>> good graphics designer - I was very impressed with what he knew and what
>>> he could do, and we worked very well together.  I'm guessing this will
>>> be an environment with people more like him, and I think I'd actually
>>> enjoy that, at least for a while.
>>>
>>> 6 3/12?!!  Wow!  Speaking of basketball, though, my cousin's youngest
>>> son is in Canada, playing basketball at U Manitoba (Stephan Walton - he
>>> plays point guard).  He's actually a master's student - he graduated
>>> from Valdosta in Georgia, but he had some eligibility left.
>>>
>>> I hope you're health is OK;  I'm hanging in.  My PSA just went a bit
>>> high and I'm in the process of getting that checked out. I don't think
>>> it's a problem, though; and otherwise - except that I still struggle
>>> with my weight - I'm doing fine.
>>>
>>> Compulsive information organization disorder... 8^)  That's good, Gary.
>>> I don't have that; don't be hard on yourself. 8^)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:20 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> Up to my dying breath, I will recommend you as brilliant and personable,
>>>> so, yes, I would be happy to serve as a reference.
>>>>
>>>> I am still at OCLC, and hcibib.org should have correct info.
>>>>
>>>> Srini is doing some sort of entrepreneurial thing with India.
>>>> I can't quite figure it out. He seems to be doing well:
>>>>  	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0Pk2dGFcA
>>>>
>>>> Ed is a professor at Mississippi State:
>>>>  	http://www.cse.msstate.edu/~swan/
>>>>
>>>> I looked over the MIN program ("Take MIN to the MAX!") and it looks like fun.
>>>> I am not sure how you would fit into Media Informatics,
>>>> given that it is in Communications, and most of the professors
>>>> in journalism, broadcasting, etc.
>>>> Most students would probably not be into the technology aspects,
>>>> so I am not sure what they have in mind;
>>>> maybe a survey media technology course.
>>>> Still, it seems like you are a better match for computer science.
>>>>
>>>> Given your experience with mobile devices,
>>>> I was a little surprised not see see much in MIN in mobile, what with the
>>>> pervasiveness of mobile and the surging popularity of responsive web design.
>>>> Maybe it's a topic worth discussing.
>>>>
>>>> As for me, I just putter around with search usability, internationlaization,
>>>> and accessibility. I still update the HCIBIB, mainly by writing scripts to
>>>> import data into the database. And in other areas of compulsive information
>>>> organization disorder, I am deep into genealogy and cataloging satirical comics.
>>>> Caroline is doing fine at McGill and we just sent Mark off to Univ of Chicago
>>>> to study math. George finishes high school this year and is on two basketball
>>>> teams. I don't know if you recall Caroline's height, but Mark is 6' 3 1/2"
>>>> and George is not far behind, but still growing at 15.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you and your family are well. 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm applying for a teaching position, and they're asking me for contact
>>>>> info for references.  I'd like to again use you as a reference, but I
>>>>> want to make sure I have current contact information.  If you're still
>>>>> at OCLC and your HCIBIB contact info is current, I can just use that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The position is in the Media Informatics program at Northern Kentucky
>>>>> University (here in the Cincinnati area).  After all these years, I've
>>>>> still never had an academic position, but this looks promising - a
>>>>> professor there actually approached me about it.  And, I'm ready to give
>>>>> it a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> My last position had a fancy title (Director of Engineering, at a local
>>>>> company that sells hospital-grade Android-based TVs), but the job itself
>>>>> I had trouble taking seriously, frankly.  The product was actually made
>>>>> in China (I was hired to bring development back here, but it turned out
>>>>> that wasn't going to happen); my staff were primarily interns, and my
>>>>> "office" was a cubicle in a loft above a noisy factory floor.  But
>>>>> positions where I mentor interns seems to be the pattern in recent
>>>>> years, so I think it will be good for me to make teaching my official
>>>>> job, finally... 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to tell you, I've considered moving to Canada, too.  Maybe
>>>>> Vancouver, and I've heard good things about Toronto and Montreal.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, have you heard from Ed and Srini recently?  I think about all of
>>>>> you from time to time, but, sadly, I've never been the kind of person
>>>>> who keeps in touch with people.  Still pretty much a hermit - and my
>>>>> sisters still pick on me for it...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

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At NKU, they advertise that all their professors have PhDs.
So, they have lecturers, who do not have PhDs.
Maybe they don't want to offer you a lecturer position because of your PhD.
An adjunct professor gets some vague standing in the department,
but without a formal position. It's usually given to people with
a position in another department, or to a person in industry,
so that they are officially affiliated with the department.
So, it's not really a job offer, but you might still benefit from it.
You could use it to see how you like teaching, or for a paycheck.

Four courses? Depends on which courses, taught over what period.
If there are only two distinct courses, each taught twice, then
that is much less course prep than four different courses.
And teaching two sections of the same course is much less work
than teaching the same course in two terms.
Having a grader/TA can make your life a lot easier.
I think you should ask for syllabi right away.

Compensation is another issue. I've never taught a course as
an outside person, so I have no idea how good or bad the pay is.
There may be no benefits. I would let them tell me the details
if and when they are ready.

Did you know that before every class I ever taught, I would
look into a mirror and say "It's showtime!"

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> News flash... 8^)
>
> I just got a message from the person who approached me about the NKU
> opportunity - I might have mentioned that I've only met him once, and
> met him at the shop I mentioned in the last message - and I happened to
> be wearing a suit at the time, as I recall.
>
> I sent my vita and a cover letter yesterday to the contact person for
> the posting he sent me (he'd given me a heads-up, but it was just posted
> over the weekend).  He had mentioned a course to teach starting in
> January, and a full time position Lecturer position starting in the
> fall.
>
> The message I just got asked me if I'd like to teach 4 courses starting
> in January, as an adjunct professor.
>
> Kinda sounds like an informal job offer...  I'm excited!! 8^)
>
> I emailed the contact person that I'd like to talk to her tomorrow
> morning, at some time convenient for her.
>
> Gotta go - got some errands to run.
>
> On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 11:37 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>> Very distinguished picture - you look like a judge.
>>
>> Mark is not in grad school, just a freshman in 2nd year honors analysis.
>> I barely understand it, even though I am doing some "work" in the area:
>> modeled after the de-plantization of Pluto, I am petitioning for the
>> decertification of pi as a number. Could another publication in the
>> Journal of Irreproducible Results be in my future?
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>
>>> You're confirming my own experience.  And, I must tell you, I think of
>>> you as a model, or someone whose primary focus is not programming but
>>> who is an expert programmer.   So I agree with your first paragraph,
>>> entirely.
>>>
>>> I've looked around at what kinds of tools are in use these days.  It
>>> seems there's a trend away from proprietary tools towards open source
>>> tools.  But programming in one form or another is central to all of
>>> them, it seems to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the tip about CS vs. communications; but I'm not keen on
>>> getting back to CS academically; it really hadn't crossed my mind, to be
>>> honest.  I really do like the idea of working collaboratively with more
>>> artistically gifted people and supporting them, and I think that would
>>> be plenty.
>>>
>>> I had applied a few years ago for a position in NKU's CS department;
>>> never heard back from them.  But I've worked with a few NKU grads with
>>> more media-related majors, and they've impressed me.  I think their MIN
>>> program is a centerpiece of the school, and in that respect I think a
>>> position there represents a better opportunity, even if it's not as good
>>> a fit for me personally.  I really am looking forward to it, as much for
>>> what I might learn as anything else.
>>>
>>> I've never made it to 6'.  I think I've gotten shorter over the years -
>>> gravity...  I wish I was taller.  Sigh...
>>>
>>> I don't remember if anyone took a graduation picture, I'll ask my
>>> sisters - but I still also owe something else I'm not gonna mention...
>>> But I'm attaching a picture of me in a suit (from last Easter, taken at
>>> my Dad's condo).  I bought a bunch of dress clothes last year, not for
>>> job interviews and such, but just because I wanted to start looking
>>> better - I've never paid much attention to my appearance, and it did, I
>>> think, lift my spirits some...  It was fun - I love french cuff dress
>>> shirts and cufflinks, always have, but my neck was too big, and for
>>> years I couldn't find dress shirts in my size.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 21:32 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>> I work in a User Experience group with designers and researchers.
>>>> I'm the only one who programs, and it strikes me as a bit odd
>>>> when designers talk about wireframes or screenshots when
>>>> adding to the development environment can be a lot quicker.
>>>> More than once, we are in a metting, discussing an idea,
>>>> and by the end of the meeting, people can try it in a real system.
>>>> But your comment on working well together is key.
>>>> Designers can use various tools and techniques, often very effectively,
>>>> to develop and test ideas, and somehow, it all works together.
>>>> I think that your job will be to help students make the ideas
>>>> (e.g., stories) and technology all work together.
>>>> I don't really know the current crop of tools that designers
>>>> and movie makers and other communicators use, but I suspect that
>>>> the MIN program has preferences for some neat systems that
>>>> you could learn easily and teach effectively.
>>>>
>>>> I think you should ask them what they have in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, thinking about the match between you and CS versus Communications,
>>>> the MIN program might have strong feelings about you NOT spending time
>>>> outside the MIN program. I would not mention this to anyone, but keep it
>>>> as a way to explain some biases. Communications might want to make sure
>>>> that you focus on their needs.
>>>>
>>>> From their heights at ages 2 and 3, we pegged Mark to end up at 6'2"
>>>> and George and inch taller, so George might hit 6'4" or 6'5", which
>>>> borders on on inconvenient. Their cousin, through Caroline's brother,
>>>> is 6'5". Here's little Mark:
>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Mark-Moves-On/DSC00619.JPG
>>>> and here are the two boys gettig ready to pick apples.
>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Apple-Picking/DSC00530.JPG
>>>> George has grown since then. Want more pics?
>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/
>>>> which reminds me: you still owe me a graduation picture!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're too kind, Gary... 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate it yet again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to tell you honestly - this kinda haunts me, but you advised me
>>>>> to try to publish more while I was still at OSU, and I really both could
>>>>> have and should have done that, but I was too absorbed in the fledgling
>>>>> Linux movement.  I'm glad I was involved in that, but I'd have done a
>>>>> lot better in career terms had I paid more attention to potential
>>>>> academic opportunities.
>>>>>
>>>>> As time passes, the idea of an academic position appeals more and more
>>>>> to me.  Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" feeling, to go with the bad
>>>>> economy, etc.  But then, of my committee members, only Anish is still
>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure how I'd fit in that program either, and I did notice they
>>>>> didn't have anyone with backgrounds similar to mine, but they try to
>>>>> teach programming, and it may be they need someone with more background
>>>>> and experience in that respect.  But it does really seem interesting,
>>>>> and I have always had an interest, informally, in this kind of thing;
>>>>> I'm hoping I can just stay ahead of the students... 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I mentored an intern who was in a graphics design major who'd learned a
>>>>> bit of web-related and other programming: Javascript, Java, C++, but he
>>>>> wasn't frankly very comfortable with programming.  He was, though, a
>>>>> good graphics designer - I was very impressed with what he knew and what
>>>>> he could do, and we worked very well together.  I'm guessing this will
>>>>> be an environment with people more like him, and I think I'd actually
>>>>> enjoy that, at least for a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6 3/12?!!  Wow!  Speaking of basketball, though, my cousin's youngest
>>>>> son is in Canada, playing basketball at U Manitoba (Stephan Walton - he
>>>>> plays point guard).  He's actually a master's student - he graduated
>>>>> from Valdosta in Georgia, but he had some eligibility left.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you're health is OK;  I'm hanging in.  My PSA just went a bit
>>>>> high and I'm in the process of getting that checked out. I don't think
>>>>> it's a problem, though; and otherwise - except that I still struggle
>>>>> with my weight - I'm doing fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compulsive information organization disorder... 8^)  That's good, Gary.
>>>>> I don't have that; don't be hard on yourself. 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:20 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Up to my dying breath, I will recommend you as brilliant and personable,
>>>>>> so, yes, I would be happy to serve as a reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still at OCLC, and hcibib.org should have correct info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Srini is doing some sort of entrepreneurial thing with India.
>>>>>> I can't quite figure it out. He seems to be doing well:
>>>>>>  	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0Pk2dGFcA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed is a professor at Mississippi State:
>>>>>>  	http://www.cse.msstate.edu/~swan/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked over the MIN program ("Take MIN to the MAX!") and it looks like fun.
>>>>>> I am not sure how you would fit into Media Informatics,
>>>>>> given that it is in Communications, and most of the professors
>>>>>> in journalism, broadcasting, etc.
>>>>>> Most students would probably not be into the technology aspects,
>>>>>> so I am not sure what they have in mind;
>>>>>> maybe a survey media technology course.
>>>>>> Still, it seems like you are a better match for computer science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given your experience with mobile devices,
>>>>>> I was a little surprised not see see much in MIN in mobile, what with the
>>>>>> pervasiveness of mobile and the surging popularity of responsive web design.
>>>>>> Maybe it's a topic worth discussing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for me, I just putter around with search usability, internationlaization,
>>>>>> and accessibility. I still update the HCIBIB, mainly by writing scripts to
>>>>>> import data into the database. And in other areas of compulsive information
>>>>>> organization disorder, I am deep into genealogy and cataloging satirical comics.
>>>>>> Caroline is doing fine at McGill and we just sent Mark off to Univ of Chicago
>>>>>> to study math. George finishes high school this year and is on two basketball
>>>>>> teams. I don't know if you recall Caroline's height, but Mark is 6' 3 1/2"
>>>>>> and George is not far behind, but still growing at 15.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you and your family are well. 8^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm applying for a teaching position, and they're asking me for contact
>>>>>>> info for references.  I'd like to again use you as a reference, but I
>>>>>>> want to make sure I have current contact information.  If you're still
>>>>>>> at OCLC and your HCIBIB contact info is current, I can just use that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The position is in the Media Informatics program at Northern Kentucky
>>>>>>> University (here in the Cincinnati area).  After all these years, I've
>>>>>>> still never had an academic position, but this looks promising - a
>>>>>>> professor there actually approached me about it.  And, I'm ready to give
>>>>>>> it a try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My last position had a fancy title (Director of Engineering, at a local
>>>>>>> company that sells hospital-grade Android-based TVs), but the job itself
>>>>>>> I had trouble taking seriously, frankly.  The product was actually made
>>>>>>> in China (I was hired to bring development back here, but it turned out
>>>>>>> that wasn't going to happen); my staff were primarily interns, and my
>>>>>>> "office" was a cubicle in a loft above a noisy factory floor.  But
>>>>>>> positions where I mentor interns seems to be the pattern in recent
>>>>>>> years, so I think it will be good for me to make teaching my official
>>>>>>> job, finally... 8^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to tell you, I've considered moving to Canada, too.  Maybe
>>>>>>> Vancouver, and I've heard good things about Toronto and Montreal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, have you heard from Ed and Srini recently?  I think about all of
>>>>>>> you from time to time, but, sadly, I've never been the kind of person
>>>>>>> who keeps in touch with people.  Still pretty much a hermit - and my
>>>>>>> sisters still pick on me for it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

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John, I think this might be the fourth time I've heard about the patents.
I realize that it is a sore point, but maybe it's a little too sore.
It sounds like you WERE on 3 patents, yes? If so, then I suggest that
you list links to those on your web page, like this:

http://www.google.com/patents/US7958116

and you could also note that you worked on 5 others for which you were
not listed. I suggest not using the word "defrauded", but if you like,
you could ist the work you did on each and let the reader decide.
Your tone makes you sound like a bitter employee who is best to avoid.
In any case, the main claim you have is to bragging rights because
the work was for hire and the patents were assigned to the company.
Everyone in the intellectual property biz has not been included in
publications to which they contributed.

Write something like:

Unfortunately, I was not listed on these five patents for which
> I did all of the digital work, from schematic capture to PCB layout and
> routing to board prototyping.  And I did all the firmware, driver,
> system, and app software development as well.

And voila, instant fame. A search for your patent numbers will lead to your
page, just like:
 	Patent 7,958,116
leads to mine.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> By the way, I don't know if I ever told you, but I did some hardware
> development before I got to OSU.  My last few years in Iowa City, I was
> the third of a 3-person R&D division; the other 2 were older EEs who had
> ~20 patents between them, on mark-sense (fill in the bubble) technology.
> Their experience was almost entirely with analog electronics, though, so
> I did all of the digital work, from schematic capture to PCB layout and
> routing to board prototyping.  And I did all the firmware, driver,
> system, and app software development as well.  I had done
> processor-level board development by the time I got to OSU, so my latest
> position was just a refresher, not new stuff for me.
>
> The company in Iowa City defrauded me of 5 patents, of the 8 for which
> they applied on the work I did there.  My mother had been having heart
> troubles and my family wanted me to move back to Ohio, and I came close
> to taking a position in Dayton before I applied to OSU.  The recruiter
> for the position in Dayton got upset that I declined the position, and
> he told the CEO of the company that I was thinking of leaving (I
> reported to a VP, and we met regularly with the CEO - HQ was in Eden
> Prairie, MN, a suburb of Minneapolis/St. Paul).  They decided to apply
> for patents on my work using other names, so they wouldn't lose rights
> to it.  One of those other people felt guilty about it and told me about
> it, or I might not have heard about it for years, but I wasn't in a
> position to contest it.  The company's general counsel called me years
> later, while I was at Lucent, because they were getting sued by another
> company over those patents, and wanted to know what I knew about the
> work.  I told him they'd defrauded me and I could prove it, as I had
> dated documentation.  He hung up and I never heard from him again.  My
> IP lawyer/partner offered to pursue fraud litigation for me, but like
> everything else, he never did.  Lawyers can be worthless...
>
> Anyway, I was going to mention that I talked yesterday to a former
> colleague from Lucent, who I mentored while we were both there - I've
> used her as a reference before.  She's now a Technical Lead at Cisco
> doing systems software development; she went from Lucent to Siemens,
> became a manager there, and got an MS in CS from Stanford as well.  I
> asked her yesterday how her job was going, and she said she liked the
> work, but it was stressful for everybody there, not just her.  I told
> her it seemed like stressing out employees seemed to be what companies
> do now, in order to compete, and she said it was more relaxed at
> Siemens, but that they also weren't doing very well either.
>
> That's a long way of saying that, from my perspective, academia looks
> pretty appealing to me by now.  I'm getting too old for the stress that
> goes with incompetence paired with unrealistic expectations and
> ridiculously short schedules, etc...  I'm so ready to get away from all
> that.
>
> OCLC seems a lot better - if it is, count your lucky stars, Gary... 8^)
>
> On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 23:09 -0500, John Boyd wrote:
>> I have pictures...
>>
>> I came to call my work area the "cinderella loft"; but I took some
>> pictures for posterity's sake.
>>
>> The blue box showing "96" is a portable AC unit that was sitting beside
>> my cubicle.  The CEO bought two of them on E-bay; only that one ever
>> worked.  I didn't ask for it, but I suppose he felt guilty about how hot
>> it was getting; he installed it himself.  But he didn't understand
>> physics well enough to get that it had no prayer of working, it being an
>> open loft - hot air rises, cold air falls.  I would try to tell the guys
>> on the floor to leave the doors closed, but they didn't get it either...
>>
>> I think I took 4 phone calls the whole time I was there - two of them
>> the first 2 days, complaints from the field from people who'd heard
>> there was a "new sheriff in town..."  On the other two I was asked what
>> all the noise was.  I don't think I ever called out to anyone from
>> there, that I recall.
>>
>> The o-scope is mine; I bought it so I could work from home.  I also
>> bought two logic analyzers.  One of those is in the picture with the two
>> small boards and the colored cable between them.  The boards are a
>> peripheral board - what makes a hospital grade TV different from a
>> normal one.  Its basic purpose is to allow "pillow speaker" to be hooked
>> up to a TV, to be used as a remote control and an audio output device.
>>
>> The boards - and their software - were the only thing this company did
>> in house - the TVs proper were made in China, and just assembled there.
>> These boards and their software, though, were a total mess.  The board
>> was, like, 5th generation, and the first to support USB, but it hadn't
>> yet been used, more for software reasons than hardware.  It was designed
>> by a consultant (with no formal EE education), not by an employee.  The
>> board software (firmware) was mostly developed by an intern who'd been
>> there for 2 years.   He'd been programming since he was 9, but wasn't as
>> good at it as he thought he was.  He didn't really know C, and
>> particularly, had no idea what a C macro is, so the code was full of
>> hardcoded hex constants that were impossible to interpret in short
>> order.
>>
>> No one could touch the code without it breaking, and the photo of the
>> two interconnected was taken so I could explain an issue to the Chinese.
>> The board used I2C to talk to the TV, but it was failing badly (no one
>> had diagnosed the failure prior), so I set up a test and wrote a test
>> version of the firmware to have 2 boards talk just to each other, one of
>> the two emulating what the TV side was supposed to do.  I discovered
>> that the I2C was incurring regular single-bit errors, and we were able
>> to make a relatively simple hardware change to largely resolve it, but
>> by then I was prepared to do checksumming for error detection and
>> retransmission to deal with the errors.  That failed because the Chinese
>> didn't understand English well enough to read the issue documentation I
>> wrote, so they refused to try to implement it in the TVs.
>>
>> A bit more about this intern's code.  He had about half a dozen
>> interrupt handlers - one of them almost almost 2000 lines of deep
>> if/then/else logic.  I tried to explain to him how to make
>> interrupt-involved code more robust - e.g., using 'volatile'
>> declarations and critical sections - but he didn't seem to want to
>> listen, and wasn't about to make that kind of change himself.  I've seen
>> before, that people who don't have practical experience with
>> hardware-level code don't understand that concurrency errors are like
>> lightning striking - you can simply ignore their possibility and may
>> think things work fine, but they do happen, as if once every blue moon.
>>
>> The whole company spent most of their time chasing intermittent problems
>> that were explainable as fragility in the firmware in these boards, and
>> I must have tried to explain 20 times to different people in my first
>> few weeks how these symptoms could be software problems instead of
>> hardware problems.  I finally convinced most people of that, but still
>> hadn't finally cleaned up the software by the time I left.
>>
>> Finally, the new Chinese had begun to ship a new TV model (very nice
>> looking - a flat glass front) that had been designed a year before, but
>> this intern wanted to make sure they were tested - the CEO just wanted
>> to sell stuff, tested or not - so he took a sample of 12 TVs from the
>> first shipment of 400 to test.  All 12 had the I2C bug, and all 12 also
>> had far more serious power supply issues - they either wouldn't turn on
>> or wouldn't stay on.  So they couldn't ship, and clearly, the company
>> needed the revenue from their sales and had been counting on it.
>>
>> I might also mention that I had asked to hire a full time professional
>> EE.  My hardware troubleshooting and design skills only go so far, and
>> beyond problems with the Chinese products, I wanted to start designing
>> our own hardware locally.  The CEO only offered a compromise - that I
>> could use the consultant EE who'd designed the peripheral boards, one
>> day a week.  That lasted for 2 weeks before he stopped coming, since he
>> was owed more then $20K on old invoices.
>>
>> And I get asked by non-technical HR people why I haven't been at my
>> recent places of employment very long...  The world has gone crazy,
>> Gary.  Griffin Hall should be paradise, relatively to what I've been
>> through in recent years...
>>
>> On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 22:18 -0500, John Boyd wrote:
>>> "It's showtime!" - no, I didn't know that about you, but I get the
>>> reference: Bob Fosse's "All That Jazz" -
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5URCGyMINg
>>>
>>> Good points.
>>>
>>> I wasn't thinking about them advertising that all their professors have
>>> PhDs, but the professors who approached me knew I had a PhD; and, as you
>>> noticed yourself (as did I), there are a number of people listed in MIN
>>> that don't have PhDs; without looking again, it seemed to me there were
>>> more without than with.
>>>
>>> I wasn't focusing on that, though; part time lecturer would be
>>> acceptable, since I have plenty other things I'd like to spent time on;
>>> and full time would be fine also, if it's interesting, and I suspect it
>>> will be.  I was, frankly, thinking both of those things you mention - to
>>> see if I like teaching, and a paycheck.  I have health care coverage,
>>> assuming I can pay for it - until into 2014, when "Obamacare" kicks in,
>>> and that's the major benefit I'd be concerned about.
>>>
>>> I'd also like to see syllabi ASAP, if I'm going to take on 4 courses.
>>> It does seem like a lot - or at least a full-time load.  Students may
>>> take that much, but I'd guess student prep time for a class session
>>> would be different than the lecturer's prep time.
>>>
>>> Compensation, etc. - we'll see, and I'm not in a rush about things like
>>> that.  My sense is that NKU is well endowed for a school of its size -
>>> Griffin Hall is a very nice and almost new building, but that may not
>>> have much to do with faculty compensation.
>>>
>>> Overall, and for now, though, it does seem like they need faculty, and
>>> are open to bringing me in.  So that's good - I'm still excited... 8^)
>>>
>>> Strangely, I'm not at all - yet - nervous about classroom lecturing or
>>> prep.  I suppose I should be, and that may change, but I really am
>>> thinking it could be fun.  I think my mindset is that even if 4 courses
>>> is a heavy lecture load, it won't be any worse than the kind of insane
>>> schedule pressure that's now commonplace in industry, and I really look
>>> forward to that kind of alternative.  You've been in both kinds of
>>> environments and may have a more balanced outlook about the two; I
>>> suppose I might be naive about the academic environment.
>>>
>>> I think I mentioned that my last "office" was a cubicle in a loft above
>>> a very hot and noisy factory floor.  Of the company's corporate
>>> officers, I was the only one stuck in that situation - the others had
>>> nice private offices with glass walls.  The CEO really just didn't think
>>> much of engineers, and there wasn't another nice office for me, the last
>>> corporate officer hired.  The pay wasn't great either, but I was making
>>> as much as anyone else in the company, including all of the other
>>> corporate officers except for the CEO.
>>>
>>> Compared to all that, even a closet in Griffin Hall where I prep to
>>> teach 4 courses, will be a step up.  While I was there, I actually
>>> dreamed about having a quiet air-conditioned office, and would drive by
>>> nice office buildings and ask myself, "What am I doing?"  It's all
>>> relative...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 16:20 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>> At NKU, they advertise that all their professors have PhDs.
>>>> So, they have lecturers, who do not have PhDs.
>>>> Maybe they don't want to offer you a lecturer position because of your PhD.
>>>> An adjunct professor gets some vague standing in the department,
>>>> but without a formal position. It's usually given to people with
>>>> a position in another department, or to a person in industry,
>>>> so that they are officially affiliated with the department.
>>>> So, it's not really a job offer, but you might still benefit from it.
>>>> You could use it to see how you like teaching, or for a paycheck.
>>>>
>>>> Four courses? Depends on which courses, taught over what period.
>>>> If there are only two distinct courses, each taught twice, then
>>>> that is much less course prep than four different courses.
>>>> And teaching two sections of the same course is much less work
>>>> than teaching the same course in two terms.
>>>> Having a grader/TA can make your life a lot easier.
>>>> I think you should ask for syllabi right away.
>>>>
>>>> Compensation is another issue. I've never taught a course as
>>>> an outside person, so I have no idea how good or bad the pay is.
>>>> There may be no benefits. I would let them tell me the details
>>>> if and when they are ready.
>>>>
>>>> Did you know that before every class I ever taught, I would
>>>> look into a mirror and say "It's showtime!"
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> News flash... 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got a message from the person who approached me about the NKU
>>>>> opportunity - I might have mentioned that I've only met him once, and
>>>>> met him at the shop I mentioned in the last message - and I happened to
>>>>> be wearing a suit at the time, as I recall.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent my vita and a cover letter yesterday to the contact person for
>>>>> the posting he sent me (he'd given me a heads-up, but it was just posted
>>>>> over the weekend).  He had mentioned a course to teach starting in
>>>>> January, and a full time position Lecturer position starting in the
>>>>> fall.
>>>>>
>>>>> The message I just got asked me if I'd like to teach 4 courses starting
>>>>> in January, as an adjunct professor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda sounds like an informal job offer...  I'm excited!! 8^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I emailed the contact person that I'd like to talk to her tomorrow
>>>>> morning, at some time convenient for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta go - got some errands to run.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 11:37 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>>>> Very distinguished picture - you look like a judge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark is not in grad school, just a freshman in 2nd year honors analysis.
>>>>>> I barely understand it, even though I am doing some "work" in the area:
>>>>>> modeled after the de-plantization of Pluto, I am petitioning for the
>>>>>> decertification of pi as a number. Could another publication in the
>>>>>> Journal of Irreproducible Results be in my future?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're confirming my own experience.  And, I must tell you, I think of
>>>>>>> you as a model, or someone whose primary focus is not programming but
>>>>>>> who is an expert programmer.   So I agree with your first paragraph,
>>>>>>> entirely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've looked around at what kinds of tools are in use these days.  It
>>>>>>> seems there's a trend away from proprietary tools towards open source
>>>>>>> tools.  But programming in one form or another is central to all of
>>>>>>> them, it seems to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the tip about CS vs. communications; but I'm not keen on
>>>>>>> getting back to CS academically; it really hadn't crossed my mind, to be
>>>>>>> honest.  I really do like the idea of working collaboratively with more
>>>>>>> artistically gifted people and supporting them, and I think that would
>>>>>>> be plenty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had applied a few years ago for a position in NKU's CS department;
>>>>>>> never heard back from them.  But I've worked with a few NKU grads with
>>>>>>> more media-related majors, and they've impressed me.  I think their MIN
>>>>>>> program is a centerpiece of the school, and in that respect I think a
>>>>>>> position there represents a better opportunity, even if it's not as good
>>>>>>> a fit for me personally.  I really am looking forward to it, as much for
>>>>>>> what I might learn as anything else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never made it to 6'.  I think I've gotten shorter over the years -
>>>>>>> gravity...  I wish I was taller.  Sigh...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't remember if anyone took a graduation picture, I'll ask my
>>>>>>> sisters - but I still also owe something else I'm not gonna mention...
>>>>>>> But I'm attaching a picture of me in a suit (from last Easter, taken at
>>>>>>> my Dad's condo).  I bought a bunch of dress clothes last year, not for
>>>>>>> job interviews and such, but just because I wanted to start looking
>>>>>>> better - I've never paid much attention to my appearance, and it did, I
>>>>>>> think, lift my spirits some...  It was fun - I love french cuff dress
>>>>>>> shirts and cufflinks, always have, but my neck was too big, and for
>>>>>>> years I couldn't find dress shirts in my size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 21:32 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>>>>>> I work in a User Experience group with designers and researchers.
>>>>>>>> I'm the only one who programs, and it strikes me as a bit odd
>>>>>>>> when designers talk about wireframes or screenshots when
>>>>>>>> adding to the development environment can be a lot quicker.
>>>>>>>> More than once, we are in a metting, discussing an idea,
>>>>>>>> and by the end of the meeting, people can try it in a real system.
>>>>>>>> But your comment on working well together is key.
>>>>>>>> Designers can use various tools and techniques, often very effectively,
>>>>>>>> to develop and test ideas, and somehow, it all works together.
>>>>>>>> I think that your job will be to help students make the ideas
>>>>>>>> (e.g., stories) and technology all work together.
>>>>>>>> I don't really know the current crop of tools that designers
>>>>>>>> and movie makers and other communicators use, but I suspect that
>>>>>>>> the MIN program has preferences for some neat systems that
>>>>>>>> you could learn easily and teach effectively.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you should ask them what they have in mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, thinking about the match between you and CS versus Communications,
>>>>>>>> the MIN program might have strong feelings about you NOT spending time
>>>>>>>> outside the MIN program. I would not mention this to anyone, but keep it
>>>>>>>> as a way to explain some biases. Communications might want to make sure
>>>>>>>> that you focus on their needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From their heights at ages 2 and 3, we pegged Mark to end up at 6'2"
>>>>>>>> and George and inch taller, so George might hit 6'4" or 6'5", which
>>>>>>>> borders on on inconvenient. Their cousin, through Caroline's brother,
>>>>>>>> is 6'5". Here's little Mark:
>>>>>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Mark-Moves-On/DSC00619.JPG
>>>>>>>> and here are the two boys gettig ready to pick apples.
>>>>>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/Apple-Picking/DSC00530.JPG
>>>>>>>> George has grown since then. Want more pics?
>>>>>>>>  	http://perlman.ca/pictures/
>>>>>>>> which reminds me: you still owe me a graduation picture!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're too kind, Gary... 8^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I appreciate it yet again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have to tell you honestly - this kinda haunts me, but you advised me
>>>>>>>>> to try to publish more while I was still at OSU, and I really both could
>>>>>>>>> have and should have done that, but I was too absorbed in the fledgling
>>>>>>>>> Linux movement.  I'm glad I was involved in that, but I'd have done a
>>>>>>>>> lot better in career terms had I paid more attention to potential
>>>>>>>>> academic opportunities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As time passes, the idea of an academic position appeals more and more
>>>>>>>>> to me.  Maybe it's just a "grass is greener" feeling, to go with the bad
>>>>>>>>> economy, etc.  But then, of my committee members, only Anish is still
>>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure how I'd fit in that program either, and I did notice they
>>>>>>>>> didn't have anyone with backgrounds similar to mine, but they try to
>>>>>>>>> teach programming, and it may be they need someone with more background
>>>>>>>>> and experience in that respect.  But it does really seem interesting,
>>>>>>>>> and I have always had an interest, informally, in this kind of thing;
>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping I can just stay ahead of the students... 8^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I mentored an intern who was in a graphics design major who'd learned a
>>>>>>>>> bit of web-related and other programming: Javascript, Java, C++, but he
>>>>>>>>> wasn't frankly very comfortable with programming.  He was, though, a
>>>>>>>>> good graphics designer - I was very impressed with what he knew and what
>>>>>>>>> he could do, and we worked very well together.  I'm guessing this will
>>>>>>>>> be an environment with people more like him, and I think I'd actually
>>>>>>>>> enjoy that, at least for a while.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 6 3/12?!!  Wow!  Speaking of basketball, though, my cousin's youngest
>>>>>>>>> son is in Canada, playing basketball at U Manitoba (Stephan Walton - he
>>>>>>>>> plays point guard).  He's actually a master's student - he graduated
>>>>>>>>> from Valdosta in Georgia, but he had some eligibility left.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope you're health is OK;  I'm hanging in.  My PSA just went a bit
>>>>>>>>> high and I'm in the process of getting that checked out. I don't think
>>>>>>>>> it's a problem, though; and otherwise - except that I still struggle
>>>>>>>>> with my weight - I'm doing fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compulsive information organization disorder... 8^)  That's good, Gary.
>>>>>>>>> I don't have that; don't be hard on yourself. 8^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2012-12-03 at 15:20 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Up to my dying breath, I will recommend you as brilliant and personable,
>>>>>>>>>> so, yes, I would be happy to serve as a reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am still at OCLC, and hcibib.org should have correct info.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Srini is doing some sort of entrepreneurial thing with India.
>>>>>>>>>> I can't quite figure it out. He seems to be doing well:
>>>>>>>>>>  	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0Pk2dGFcA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed is a professor at Mississippi State:
>>>>>>>>>>  	http://www.cse.msstate.edu/~swan/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked over the MIN program ("Take MIN to the MAX!") and it looks like fun.
>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure how you would fit into Media Informatics,
>>>>>>>>>> given that it is in Communications, and most of the professors
>>>>>>>>>> in journalism, broadcasting, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Most students would probably not be into the technology aspects,
>>>>>>>>>> so I am not sure what they have in mind;
>>>>>>>>>> maybe a survey media technology course.
>>>>>>>>>> Still, it seems like you are a better match for computer science.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given your experience with mobile devices,
>>>>>>>>>> I was a little surprised not see see much in MIN in mobile, what with the
>>>>>>>>>> pervasiveness of mobile and the surging popularity of responsive web design.
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it's a topic worth discussing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I just putter around with search usability, internationlaization,
>>>>>>>>>> and accessibility. I still update the HCIBIB, mainly by writing scripts to
>>>>>>>>>> import data into the database. And in other areas of compulsive information
>>>>>>>>>> organization disorder, I am deep into genealogy and cataloging satirical comics.
>>>>>>>>>> Caroline is doing fine at McGill and we just sent Mark off to Univ of Chicago
>>>>>>>>>> to study math. George finishes high school this year and is on two basketball
>>>>>>>>>> teams. I don't know if you recall Caroline's height, but Mark is 6' 3 1/2"
>>>>>>>>>> and George is not far behind, but still growing at 15.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you and your family are well. 8^)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm applying for a teaching position, and they're asking me for contact
>>>>>>>>>>> info for references.  I'd like to again use you as a reference, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> want to make sure I have current contact information.  If you're still
>>>>>>>>>>> at OCLC and your HCIBIB contact info is current, I can just use that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The position is in the Media Informatics program at Northern Kentucky
>>>>>>>>>>> University (here in the Cincinnati area).  After all these years, I've
>>>>>>>>>>> still never had an academic position, but this looks promising - a
>>>>>>>>>>> professor there actually approached me about it.  And, I'm ready to give
>>>>>>>>>>> it a try.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My last position had a fancy title (Director of Engineering, at a local
>>>>>>>>>>> company that sells hospital-grade Android-based TVs), but the job itself
>>>>>>>>>>> I had trouble taking seriously, frankly.  The product was actually made
>>>>>>>>>>> in China (I was hired to bring development back here, but it turned out
>>>>>>>>>>> that wasn't going to happen); my staff were primarily interns, and my
>>>>>>>>>>> "office" was a cubicle in a loft above a noisy factory floor.  But
>>>>>>>>>>> positions where I mentor interns seems to be the pattern in recent
>>>>>>>>>>> years, so I think it will be good for me to make teaching my official
>>>>>>>>>>> job, finally... 8^)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have to tell you, I've considered moving to Canada, too.  Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver, and I've heard good things about Toronto and Montreal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, have you heard from Ed and Srini recently?  I think about all of
>>>>>>>>>>> you from time to time, but, sadly, I've never been the kind of person
>>>>>>>>>>> who keeps in touch with people.  Still pretty much a hermit - and my
>>>>>>>>>>> sisters still pick on me for it...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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I don't see a big future for the WWGD app because it would:
  1. gather some semi-structured data and
  2. generate "reports", probably in the form of web pages
I'd probably forget about the meaning of the data
and focus on its structure.

It's already a paper or two:
 	1986 http://hcibib.org/perlman/multi.html
 	2000 http://hcibib.org/perlman/fsmulti.pdf
At OCLC, we have a lot of semi-structured information:
records of hundreds of millions of items in libraries,
cataloged with hundreds of attributes
(see: http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/).
When I got there, catalogers had for years been
dutifully describing library items, even though
only they could see of make use of the data.
I think it was blind faith that some day it would be used.
My one trick has worked well for me at OCLC,
but still, I scratch my head why people did not do what I did.
I once likened it to some kind of a mining operation
where I walk in and there are gold nuggets everywhere,
and I ask if I can pick them up, and people say "Sure,
help yourself!"

Some examples:

Our flagship reference service, FirstSearch, presented search results
in LIFO order. Users got to see what was new. But new items had the
unfortunate property of being held by one library, the one that just
cataloged it. LIFO order had the effect of showing the items that
the user could not obtain in their library. We know all the libraries
that hold each item, so my first fix was to order the results showing
the most widely held items first. Part of the inspiration for ranking
by holdings was a visit to a library where some results showed an icon
that indicated that the item was held by the library we were visiting.
One librarian asked, "What's that icon?" It underscored the fact that
the order of the results showed the world's least widely-held items,
and that an icon without a label is a usability faux pas.

Lots of other features now go into how we order results, such as the
match between the language of the item and the user's language preferences
(i.e., browser locale). That's what led to me being added to the ranking
patent.

But holdings and language match are just attributes on semi-strctured
records, and all I'm doing is searching, sorting, and formatting them.

I'm just finishing the hcibib.org coverage for 2012, and it's a new record
for records. It will break 6000 pubs just this year. Still a growing field:
 	http://hcibib.org/pubdates

WWGD? I'd write a script to make some ugly display of some data.
Don't need an app for that!

On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> Gary, I have to tell you, I've so enjoyed the opportunity to correspond
> with you again this week, and it reminds me of how much I value that
> kind of opportunity - my brain has shifted a gear this week.
>
> I did watch Srini's YouTube video; he has a nice singing voice (that's
> all I'll say about that - love that guy).   But that conflates with the
> rest of our thread, and out has come an idea: a mobile "Gary" app.
>
> I'm sure Ed, Srini and I would all happily be your first customers.  You
> could call it "WWGD" - What Would Gary Do?
>
> You'd have to write it, but it would be nice to have (seriously, I'm not
> joking about that, and I have imagined this sort of thing over the
> years).  You know things that, when you present them to me, I feel I
> should have at least thought of - if not learned - years before, and
> just didn't, and I find myself wondering: how'd he figure that out?
> What did I miss?
>
> Then the rest of us could write our own versions, using yours as a
> template; mine would have a more familiar acronym - "WWJD" - What Would
> John Do?  And of course, it would have to run each query through the
> WWGD app as a first step.  And if I end up teaching, I could make my
> students install it on their smartphones - after they pass my classes,
> of course. 8^)
>
> What do you think?  A candidate for a JIR paper, maybe?  My WWJD app
> would certainly yield irreproducible results... 8^)
>
>
>
>

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Hi John,

My thoughts are with you and your family, hoping for a quick recovery.

Gary

On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:

> Hi Gary,
>
> I have some further thoughts, but I'm gonna have to put them off for
> now.
>
> I was at a hospital until 6AM this morning with my sister, who's having
> a relapse of an intestinal obstruction that kept her there for 28 days a
> few years ago.  They were considering surgery this morning but decided
> to hold off temporarily.  So I'm heading back there shortly.
>
> News, though; the MIN department person emailed me today that she
> forwarded my application to the CS department, and a person there
> emailed me that they have 3 openings: a full-time lecturer, an assistant
> professor, and a (new?) department chair - two of them in something they
> call "Data Science."  I suppose CS is a better fit, but I still do like
> the idea of the MIN department, so it's all good; we'll see how it goes.
>
> More later, when my head clears a bit, but likely not today...
>
> On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 21:36 -0500, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>> I don't see a big future for the WWGD app because it would:
>>   1. gather some semi-structured data and
>>   2. generate "reports", probably in the form of web pages
>> I'd probably forget about the meaning of the data
>> and focus on its structure.
>>
>> It's already a paper or two:
>>  	1986 http://hcibib.org/perlman/multi.html
>>  	2000 http://hcibib.org/perlman/fsmulti.pdf
>> At OCLC, we have a lot of semi-structured information:
>> records of hundreds of millions of items in libraries,
>> cataloged with hundreds of attributes
>> (see: http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/).
>> When I got there, catalogers had for years been
>> dutifully describing library items, even though
>> only they could see of make use of the data.
>> I think it was blind faith that some day it would be used.
>> My one trick has worked well for me at OCLC,
>> but still, I scratch my head why people did not do what I did.
>> I once likened it to some kind of a mining operation
>> where I walk in and there are gold nuggets everywhere,
>> and I ask if I can pick them up, and people say "Sure,
>> help yourself!"
>>
>> Some examples:
>>
>> Our flagship reference service, FirstSearch, presented search results
>> in LIFO order. Users got to see what was new. But new items had the
>> unfortunate property of being held by one library, the one that just
>> cataloged it. LIFO order had the effect of showing the items that
>> the user could not obtain in their library. We know all the libraries
>> that hold each item, so my first fix was to order the results showing
>> the most widely held items first. Part of the inspiration for ranking
>> by holdings was a visit to a library where some results showed an icon
>> that indicated that the item was held by the library we were visiting.
>> One librarian asked, "What's that icon?" It underscored the fact that
>> the order of the results showed the world's least widely-held items,
>> and that an icon without a label is a usability faux pas.
>>
>> Lots of other features now go into how we order results, such as the
>> match between the language of the item and the user's language preferences
>> (i.e., browser locale). That's what led to me being added to the ranking
>> patent.
>>
>> But holdings and language match are just attributes on semi-strctured
>> records, and all I'm doing is searching, sorting, and formatting them.
>>
>> I'm just finishing the hcibib.org coverage for 2012, and it's a new record
>> for records. It will break 6000 pubs just this year. Still a growing field:
>>  	http://hcibib.org/pubdates
>>
>> WWGD? I'd write a script to make some ugly display of some data.
>> Don't need an app for that!
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, John Boyd wrote:
>>
>>> Gary, I have to tell you, I've so enjoyed the opportunity to correspond
>>> with you again this week, and it reminds me of how much I value that
>>> kind of opportunity - my brain has shifted a gear this week.
>>>
>>> I did watch Srini's YouTube video; he has a nice singing voice (that's
>>> all I'll say about that - love that guy).   But that conflates with the
>>> rest of our thread, and out has come an idea: a mobile "Gary" app.
>>>
>>> I'm sure Ed, Srini and I would all happily be your first customers.  You
>>> could call it "WWGD" - What Would Gary Do?
>>>
>>> You'd have to write it, but it would be nice to have (seriously, I'm not
>>> joking about that, and I have imagined this sort of thing over the
>>> years).  You know things that, when you present them to me, I feel I
>>> should have at least thought of - if not learned - years before, and
>>> just didn't, and I find myself wondering: how'd he figure that out?
>>> What did I miss?
>>>
>>> Then the rest of us could write our own versions, using yours as a
>>> template; mine would have a more familiar acronym - "WWJD" - What Would
>>> John Do?  And of course, it would have to run each query through the
>>> WWGD app as a first step.  And if I end up teaching, I could make my
>>> students install it on their smartphones - after they pass my classes,
>>> of course. 8^)
>>>
>>> What do you think?  A candidate for a JIR paper, maybe?  My WWJD app
>>> would certainly yield irreproducible results... 8^)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

From perlman@turing.acm.org Tue Dec 11 13:24:57 2012 -0500
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From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: jgrudin@microsoft.com
Subject: congrats on acm fellowship!
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You and Saul Greenberg are the CHI folks this year.
 	http://hcibib.org/authors

From perlman@turing.acm.org Tue Dec 11 16:24:51 2012 -0500
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From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: Jonathan Grudin <jgrudin@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: congrats on acm fellowship!
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Good point, maybe, but I did not see mention of your exemplary attendance record.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Jonathan Grudin wrote:

> Thanks Gary. Maybe CSCW folks have a built-in advantage, with two conferences to attend we're more likely to keep our ACM memberships active the requisite number of years... -- Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary PERLMAN [mailto:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:25 AM
> To: Jonathan Grudin
> Subject: congrats on acm fellowship!
>
> You and Saul Greenberg are the CHI folks this year.
> 	http://hcibib.org/authors
>
>
>
>

From perlman@turing.acm.org Wed Dec 19 19:34:37 2012 -0500
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From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: Hsiao-Fang Lin <linhsiaofang@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Requise ISTAT
In-Reply-To: <8D5E2B05-9DAD-4C4B-90F9-76466C611A0D@gmail.com>
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Thank you for your interest in |STAT data manipulation and analysis software.

UNIX |STAT for is now (only) available via Web browsers at a secret location.

To obtain UNIX |STAT files, please follow the instructions at:
 	http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/#access
There are installation notes (e.g., for Mac OS X and Linux) at:
 	http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/installation.txt

DOS |STAT executables and documentation are available as a WinZip file:
 	http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/DOS-STAT.ZIP

HTML documentation is available from the |STAT home page:
 	http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/

On Wed, 19 Dec 2012, Hsiao-Fang Lin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I check the website and I think ISTAT utility is really good and I want to use it to help my research.
>
> I agree to adhere to the conditions of using ISTAT.
> I agree not to share the ISTAT location with others.
>
> Thanks,
> Hsiao-Fang
>

From perlman@turing.acm.org Sat Dec 22 17:46:47 2012 -0500
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:46:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: Costin Pribeanu <pribeanu@ici.ro>
cc: Teodor Stefanut <teodor.stefanut@cs.utcluj.ro>, 
    Dorian Gorgan <Dorian.Gorgan@cs.utcluj.ro>
Subject: Re: RRIOC and RoCHI 2012
In-Reply-To: <B971643175044673A26B30F44F2063CE@pribeanu>
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Multumesc Costin,

Sarbatori fericite pentru tine!

Gary

(translation by google)

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Costin Pribeanu wrote:

> Dear Gary,
>
> Please find attached the files for the journal and RoCHI 2012 conference.
> Thank you in advance for your support.
>
> I wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
> Costin
>

From perlman@turing.acm.org Sat Dec 22 20:07:11 2012 -0500
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From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: Costin Pribeanu <pribeanu@ici.ro>
cc: Teodor Stefanut <teodor.stefanut@cs.utcluj.ro>, 
    Dorian Gorgan <Dorian.Gorgan@cs.utcluj.ro>
Subject: Re: RRIOC and RoCHI 2012
In-Reply-To: <B971643175044673A26B30F44F2063CE@pribeanu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1212221951580.23148@turing.acm.org>
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Costin Pribeanu wrote:

> Dear Gary,
>
> Please find attached the files for the journal and RoCHI 2012 conference.
> Thank you in advance for your support.
>
> I wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
> Costin
>

The 2012 conference looks like it is in good shape and it is available here:
 	http://hcibib.org/RoCHI12
I could not find any links to papers, but there is a link to the conference.
 	http://rochi2012.utcluj.ro/

For RoCHI12, I made these corrections:
%typos Accessability adaptative paradigme proccesses proccessing rythm  synthesys tehniques
%fixes Accessibility adaptive   paradigm  processes  processing  rhythm synthesis techniques

The 2011 conference is missing from the HCI Bibliography.

For the RRIOC VOlume 5, the file I received showed two issue numbers: 1 and 3.
For issue number 1, I used this url for each article:
 	http://rochi.utcluj.ro/rrioc/en/rrioc-2012-1.html
but there was no corresponding url for issue 3 (or 2), so I am waiting for
clarification and probably an update to the RRIOC website.

For RRIOC Volume 5, I found no spelling issues, but two typos:
Paul Fogarassy- Neszly
 	(space after hyphen)
design, the displayed information, the language used, etc ) derived from
 	(space before closing paren, possibly was a "." for the abbreviation)

Gary Perlman, Director, HCI Bibliography Project
mailto:director@hcibib.org  http://hcibib.org/

From perlman@turing.acm.org Sat Dec 29 16:05:33 2012 -0500
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From: Gary PERLMAN <perlman@turing.acm.org>
To: HCI Webliography <apache@turing.acm.org>
cc: director@hcibib.org, nathan@compsdoc.com
Subject: Re: !SUGGEST_a_LINK! hci-sites:consultants: Boston IT Consulting |
 Boston Computer Repair | Boston IT Support | Boston Help Desk | CompsDoc
 LLC | Our Success Is Your Success
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I am sorry, but the site below does not have specific HCI
content and will not be included in the HCI Bibliography.
 	http://hcibib.org/faq.html#Data-5

Gary Perlman, Director, HCI Bibliography Project
mailto:director@hcibib.org  http://hcibib.org/

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>
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