From weh@SEI.CMU.EDU Sun Jun 11 14:15:44 1995 Received: from as0a.sei.cmu.edu (as0a.sei.cmu.edu [128.237.1.11]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA03919 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:15:42 -0400 Received: from ts5d.sei.cmu.edu by as0a.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.9/3.00) id OAA28257; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:09:55 -0400 Received: from localhost.sei.cmu.edu by ts5d.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id OAA05309; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:09:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199506111809.OAA05309@ts5d.sei.cmu.edu> To: Bill Hefley , Michele Bianchi , John Rheinfrank , Jim Maurer , John Bennett , Nigel Bevan , Pat Billingsley , Sara Bly , Susanne Bodker , Guy Boy , Bill Buxton , Bill Curtis , Susan Dray , Alan Edwards , Kate Ehrlich , Carolanne Fisher , "William W. Gaver" , Bob Glass , Wayne Gray , Jonathan Grudin , Austin Henderson , Tom Hewett , Deborah Hix , Karen Holtzblatt <71303.2071@CompuServe.COM>, "Robert J. K. Jacob" , "Steven M. Jacobs" , Robin Jeffries , Claire-Marie Karat , John Karat , Wendy Kellogg , Thomas Landauer , Gene Lynch , Wendy Mackay , Marilyn Mantei , Aaron Marcus , Jim Miller , Joy Mountford , Michael Muller , Brad Myers , Lisa Neal , Jakob Nielsen , Dan Olsen , Peter Orbeton , Randy Pausch , Gary Perlman , Peter Polson , Steven Poltrock , "Kathleen M. Potosnak" , Marc Rettig , Richard Rubinstein , Chris Schmandt , "Kevin M. Schofield" , Ben Shneiderman , Gurminder Singh , Tom Stewart , John Thomas , Bill Verplank , Craig Wier , Jurgen Ziegler Subject: Need "Information Director" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 95 14:09:22 EDT From: Bill Hefley Status: RO Enclosed is an update about hapennings with the acm.org efforts. We've reached the point where we really need someone to act as "Information Director" or webmaster for the interactions portion of the ACM's web. We've been posting Gary Perlman's contents info, but that isn't all we could do. We've had suggestions to post all of the URLs referenced in an issue, and there's material about the interactions design competition that will need to be coordinated with Mark Rettig and put on the web. There's too much to do for me, so I'm looking to the Editorial Board to see if we have a volunteer amongst you. bill ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Received: from sei.cmu.edu by ts5d.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id MAA04977; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:24:10 -0400 Resent-From: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Received: from ACM.ORG by sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id MAA26578; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 12:24:10 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <199506111624.MAA26578@sei.cmu.edu> Received: from ACM.ORG by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #4177) id <01HRKTG1MMS0005AQJ@ACM.ORG>; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:20:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.135.174.31] ("port 28241"@ASYNC01.ACM.ORG) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #4177) id <01HRKTEWP1KW0054E3@ACM.ORG>; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:20:36 -0500 (CDT) Resent-date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:20:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 09:24:57 -0800 From: sara_bly@ACM.ORG (Sara Bly) Subject: Checking In Sender: ECINTEREST@ACM.ORG To: ec-interest@ACM.ORG Cc: eccc@ACM.ORG Errors-to: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Warnings-to: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Message-id: <01HRKTFRCWWO0054E3@ACM.ORG> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT EC-Interest Folks: Greetings! I'm sorry that I haven't given you any update on the ACM electronic community coordinating committee for a long while. I have been urged to write to this DL more often, and I'll try to do it. We've been focused primarily this year on understanding how we want to expand the acm.org infrastructure. Hopefully you'll be glad to hear that we've ordered another server, a UNIX server, which will be added to the system within the next month (we hope!). We're also really trying to work through Information Directors for the ACM subunits that want to maintain information on the web or to use electronic services for their organizations. Please let us know if you are part of an ACM group that needs to set up web pages or services. There are two upcoming prototypes that we'll be asking you to "test" and to give us feedback. One is the authentication mechanism that Michael Clore has been working on. The other is an electronic project database that Cathy Marshall is putting together. You'll hear from both Michael and Cathy this summer. Mostly I hope that you'll feel free to let us know what issues are concerning you about ACM member access to electronic services and information. Also, if any of you are good html hackers and ready for some extra work, let us know. Volunteers are always welcome :-) Sara ------- End of Forwarded Message From ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Thu Jun 15 12:18:52 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA25639; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:18:49 -0400 Resent-From: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Resent-Message-Id: <199506151618.MAA25639@news.cis.ohio-state.edu> Received: from ACM.ORG by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #4177) id <01HRQEDTDPZ4002FFZ@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1713"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-10 #4177) id <01HRQEAHT94G002KG3@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Resent-date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 09:13:16 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael Allen Clore) Subject: ACM IS Access Control Update Sender: ECINTEREST@ACM.ORG X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: ec-interest@ACM.ORG Errors-to: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Warnings-to: ec-interest-error@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO The enclosed message is being distributed, in stages, to ACM information providers, leaders and volunteers. I apologize, if you've already seen this update. If you are interested and have time, please test the authentication and access control demonstration area. ACM Information Services Access Control Update June 7, 1995 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACM's access control services on the World-Wide Web have been enhanced, and a demonstration area is available at http://www.acm.org:8001/. Please send questions and comments to webmaster@acm.org. Introduction A complete ACM electronic community is being built where interactions within our organization can take place over the Internet. Many of the necessary services require the identity of the user making a request. Authenticating users is a prerequisite for offering personalized services that use data known about a user to customize the flow of information. The ability to renew a membership or change an address are just two examples of personalized services. It is important to keep information known about users private and to prevent people from masquerading as others. Another primary reason for authenticating a user is to control access to services. Limiting access to users who have paid for a service is important in order for ACM and its units to remain viable. Access Control Features Each user of our (protected) information services maintains an account on the ACM World-Wide Web (WWW) server. There is a defined WWW basic authentication scheme that all mainstream clients support. A user is authenticated by providing a correct username and password which only needs to be entered once per session (unless the password changes). Note that the WWW accounts are different from the ACM.org full-service and mail forwarding accounts. The first phase of ACM's access control services was released for testing in the fall of '94. A default World-Wide Web (WWW) account was created for each member using the ACM member number as the username and the person's last name as the password. Access to documents could be either open to the world or limited to ACM members. Accounts that were established in the first phase no longer exist. Phase two is now ready and includes important enhancements. The new features are: * Users can personally select their username and password and change them at any time. This makes the account more convenient. * Users must first create an account by following a simple procedure. In order to successfully create an account, members must provide a correct member number, name, and e-mail address. Users must verify their new accounts by using a code which is sent to them via e-mail. This process provides ACM with a valid e-mail address for every user, and the identity of anyone forging an account application can be easily determined. * Information Directors and providers can limit access to members who subscribe to specific ACM services. After the server is configured to protect a defined URL path, using predefined identifiers and access control lists, access can be limited to members who belong to specific SIGs or subscribe to particular periodicals. For example, to only allow SIGACT members access to the document foo.html, create .www_acl in the same directory as foo.html. It should contain the following line: foo.html : GET : group_001 * If the password to an account is forgotten, the account can be recreated. Sensitive information, for example credit card numbers, will be erased from an account whenever it's recreated. In order to curtail accounts from being fraudulently recreated, e-mail containing the new verification code is sent to the original e-mail address provided. The user's e-mail address can not be changed when recreating an account. In addition, the user must provide the correct secondary password which is set when the account is first created. The secondary password is the day and month of the user's birthday. * Documents and services living on servers other than www.acm.org can be protected through www.acm.org using the secure proxy server method along with proxy caching. Demonstration and Test Area For a demonstration of the current access control services, use a WWW client to access the ACM's WWW test server at the URL: http://www.acm.org:8001/ In addition to demonstrating the capabilities of the current access control services, the test server is also a prototype of how users might access ACM information services in the future. First, you will need to create an account by selecting the "Establish an Account" link and filling-out and submitting the form presented to you. On-line directions will guide you through the process. Future Directions Currently, ACM access authorization only runs on the primary ACM server, www.acm.org. Remote documents can be protected, but the data stream must pass through the www.acm.org server. A lot of the overhead can be eliminated by caching the remote documents on acm.org, but we will lose the robustness of distributing servers around the Internet and using one server will become a bottleneck. In the next phase of developing our access control services, a mechanism for running a distributed access control system will be installed. If you are running (or are planning to run) a remote server, have an interest in helping put such a system in place, and are not already on the authenticate@acm.org distribution list, contact webmaster@acm.org. The current authentication scheme uses the traditional username and password method. New and more secure schemes will be added as they become available in the popular clients. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Sep 26 12:27:59 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA11743; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:27:52 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id MAA03198; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:27:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:27:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199509261627.MAA03198@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: scooter@genie.gene.com Subject: SIGCHI - ACM listserv Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO Hi Scooter, I am getting started on my duties as SIGCHI VC for Pubs, interpreting Pubs as broadly as I can for now, and I am gathering information on various topics. Couold you tell me what was involved in moving the II.CHI list to the ACM listserv? I think people might be interested in moving other lists there. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Sep 26 13:18:02 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA13980; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:13:07 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id NAA03593; Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:13:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:13:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199509261713.NAA03593@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: scooter@genie.gene.com Subject: SIGCHI - WWW site Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO Hi Scooter, I am charged with the SIGCHI Web site so I'd like to know what is its current status so that I can look into moving it forward. Who is the current sigchi webmaster? Do you have suggestions for a new webmaster? (feel free to nominate yourself, if you like) How are the pages updated at ACM.ORG? Is there WWW form/CGI support at ACM.ORG? Is there current support for logging access (e.g., counters) at info.acm.org? Who would I contact at ACM.ORG to install new materials? Who might I contact about security and WWW access (e.g., subscriber-only access)? Any answers or pointers you can give me would be welcome. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From scooter@gene.com Wed Oct 4 21:48:33 1995 Received: from genie.gene.COM (genie-open.gene.com [192.216.245.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA04837 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:48:15 -0400 Received: from kansas.gene.com by genie.gene.COM (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA20546; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:11 -0700 Received: by kansas.gene.com (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA31544; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:10 -0700 From: "Scooter Morris" Message-Id: <9510041832.ZM31529@kansas.gene.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:32:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Gary Perlman "SIGCHI - ACM listserv" (Sep 26, 12:27pm) References: <199509261627.MAA03198@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 31aug95) To: Gary Perlman Subject: Re: SIGCHI - ACM listserv Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO On Sep 26, 12:27pm, Gary Perlman wrote: > Subject: SIGCHI - ACM listserv > Hi Scooter, > > I am getting started on my duties as SIGCHI VC for Pubs, > interpreting Pubs as broadly as I can for now, > and I am gathering information on various topics. > > Couold you tell me what was involved in moving the II.CHI > list to the ACM listserv? I think people might be interested > in moving other lists there. > > Gary > > Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University > 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu > WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman >-- End of excerpt from Gary Perlman It was actually pretty easy. All we needed to do was to fill out a form provided by the ACM folks, then send them the current list of participants. Bill was set up as the list administrator, and they set it up. Its much easier to maintain than the xerox lists because individuals can (at the discretion of the list administrator) add and remove themselves from the list. -- scooter From scooter@gene.com Wed Oct 4 21:52:13 1995 Received: from genie.gene.COM (genie-open.gene.com [192.216.245.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA04963 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:52:07 -0400 Received: from kansas.gene.com by genie.gene.COM (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA09422; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:45 -0700 Received: by kansas.gene.com (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA31581; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:45 -0700 From: "Scooter Morris" Message-Id: <9510041838.ZM31399@kansas.gene.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: Gary Perlman "SIGCHI - WWW site" (Sep 26, 1:13pm) References: <199509261713.NAA03593@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 31aug95) To: Gary Perlman Subject: Re: SIGCHI - WWW site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO On Sep 26, 1:13pm, Gary Perlman wrote: > Subject: SIGCHI - WWW site > Hi Scooter, > > I am charged with the SIGCHI Web site so I'd like to > know what is its current status so that I can look > into moving it forward. > > Who is the current sigchi webmaster? I guess I am.... > > Do you have suggestions for a new webmaster? > (feel free to nominate yourself, if you like) Originally, I suggested Hans de Graff, but then I found out that Stephen is handing over a lot of the bulletin stuff to him. Another possibility is Rodney Fuller. We could also solicit volunteers at CHI'96. > > How are the pages updated at ACM.ORG? Manually using a version of "vi" (I couldn't get used to TPU!). Currently, all of the pages are on pascal.acm.org, which is a VMS machine. They have recently acquired a DEC Unix box, but I haven't inquired as to plans for moving pages to it. > > Is there WWW form/CGI support at ACM.ORG? They got perl up just recently, but I've been holding out until the move to the Unix machine. At that point, CGI should certainly be supported. > > Is there current support for logging access > (e.g., counters) at info.acm.org? Yes, to get access information, contact CLORE@ACM.ORG > > Who would I contact at ACM.ORG to install new materials? Unfortunately, I think they'll point you back to me until we get a new information director. > > Who might I contact about security and WWW access > (e.g., subscriber-only access)? Michael Clore (clore@acm.org) has all of that information. I looked at some of the prototypes, and the problem is that you need you membership number (not something I have with me at all times...) > > Any answers or pointers you can give me would be welcome. > > Gary > > Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University > 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu > WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman >-- End of excerpt from Gary Perlman Hope this helps. I think we could probably really take excellent advantage of the Unix machine if we get organized! -- scooter From scooter@GENE.COM Wed Oct 4 21:58:25 1995 Received: from genie.gene.COM (genie-open.gene.com [192.216.245.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA05277 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:58:17 -0400 Received: from kansas.gene.com by genie.gene.COM (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA18085; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:43:34 -0700 Received: by kansas.gene.com (8.6.12/GSC4.0) id SAA31527; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:43:34 -0700 From: "Scooter Morris" Message-Id: <9510041843.ZM31570@kansas.gene.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:43:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Gary Perlman "SIGCHI - Information Resources Committee" (Sep 26, 1:27pm) References: <199509261727.NAA04068@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 31aug95) To: Gary Perlman Subject: Re: SIGCHI - Information Resources Committee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO Great idea!!! We talked about getting a group together to support the SIGCHI web at CHI'95, but nothing really came from it. My suggestions for participants would be: Keith Instone Hans de Graff Rodney Fuller Don Patterson myself Steven Pemberton Sara Bly (if you can convince her) Austin Henderson (can't let him get bored...) -- scooter On Sep 26, 1:27pm, Gary Perlman wrote: > Subject: SIGCHI - Information Resources Committee > Hi Scooter, > > During a discussion at the August SIGCHI EC handoff meeting > the possibility came up of creating a standing committee > on Information Resources that might have activities related > to the creation and dissemination (or publication, if you will). > Some resources that were discussed included: > Web versions of proceedings > Member directory > Standards directory > Tools directory > topical mailing lists > > I'd like your ideas about whether SIGCHI might form such > a committee, how it might be formed, who might server on > it and in what capacity, etc. I think that the main > purpose would be to have in place an ongoing committee > to advise the EC about technical issues related to information > resources. Right now, there are people associated with > projects (e.g., Bob Mack with the CHI'95 proceedings, or Steven > Pemberton with the WWW Bulletin), and you as the Adjunct Chair > for Information. I'd like to see better coordination of > these activities, drawing on the expertise of several people. > > That's enough rambling for now. What are your ideas? > > Gary > > Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University > 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu > WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman >-- End of excerpt from Gary Perlman From atwood@nynexst.com Fri Oct 6 09:36:33 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA02775 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:36:32 -0400 Received: from Dove.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15310(6)>; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:24:23 PDT Received: from nynexst.com ([128.209.10.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14733(4)>; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 06:23:32 PDT Received: from asterix.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA07977; Fri, 6 Oct 95 09:23:30 EDT Received: from [128.209.163.6] (arthur-mac) by asterix.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26401; Fri, 6 Oct 95 09:23:27 EDT X-Sender: atwood@texas.nynexst.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BB4FC3 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:22:16 PDT From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: SIGCHI info. chair volunteer? To: perlman.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: Status: RO Gary -- The following note from Diane Darrow is a potential volunteer who could help you with WWW and other aspects of publications and electronic pubs. Since I would like you to coordinate all pubs related activities, I leave it to you to decide if this is a person you would like to work with. If you talk with this person and want me to appoint him/her "adjunct chair for information" I will gladly do so. Thanks -- Mike Atwood >Encoding: 52 TEXT >X-Ns-Transport-Id: 08002010689200B91454 >Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:51:00 PDT >From: Diane Darrow >Subject: FW: I'd like to get involved >To: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , > Jim Miller >Cc: Gene Lynch , > "Pemberton, Steven CHI" > > >Mike - Eddy just submitted a SIGCHI Volunteer Profile. He worked with >Steven >on Student Volunteers at INTERCHI. He is interested in WWW activities. > What >is going on with the appointment of a SIGCHI Information Director? Maybe >Eddy >would be interested in doing it, or helping? thanks, diane > ---------- >From: guest >To: darrow; Steven.Pemberton >Subject: I'd like to get involved >Date: Tuesday, September 19, 1995 6:55PM > > >Name: Eddy Boeve > >Address: >Kruislaan 419 >NL-1098 VA >Amsterdam > >Country: The Netherlands > >Phone: +31-20 560 8415 >Fax: +31-20 560 8416 >Email: eddy@bluewire.nl > >Affiliation: Blue Wire > >Would like to get involved with: > >SIGCHI Administration: $SIGCHIAdmin > > >CHI Technical Areas: World Wide Web related activities >CHI Operations Areas: > >Other conference: >Other conference technical areas: >Other conference operations areas: > >Experience: >Local arrangements and Student Volunteers on Interchi '93 Amsterdam >Webmaster for several (commercial) sites >Research and development of (commercial) WWW tools >5 years HCI research at CWI, Amsterdam > > >Other remarks: ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From atwood@nynexst.com Tue Oct 10 08:08:04 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA24804 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:08:03 -0400 Received: from Revere.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14646(2)>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 05:07:18 PDT Received: from nynexst.com ([128.209.10.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14536(4)>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 05:05:54 PDT Received: from asterix.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA24059; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:05:42 EDT Received: from [128.209.163.6] (arthur-mac) by asterix.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01252; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:05:40 EDT X-Sender: atwood@texas.nynexst.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BBB7F9 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:04:25 PDT From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: SIGCHI Home Page To: Diane Darrow , Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Jim Miller , "'Scooter Morris'" cc: Patrick McCarren Message-ID: Status: RO At 8:29 AM 10/9/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >Hi Mike, Guy and Scooter, > >I would like permission to work internally with our staff to help to correct >some of the problems with the SIGCHI home page. I realize everyone is busy >but this page really doesn't work and doesn't speak very well for the >organization. While the home pages are supposed to be maintained by the >volunteer information directors I understand there hasn't been enought time >lately. Would you object if I step in here and make some changes? thanks, >diane. (p.s. they will only be operational changes, not conceptual). > thanks,d iane Diane -- Any help with the SIGCHI home page would certainly be appreciated. I've copied Gary Perlman on this note since I would like such activities coordinated through him. Gary volunteered to devise a plan for keeping the home page up to date and this relates to some other WWW activities he has planned. Thanks -- Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Wed Oct 11 09:24:44 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA15139 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:24:43 -0400 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 4007"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HWB2US6BXS00EU10@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:24:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15750; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:09:12 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <307BEE27@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Wed, 11 Oct 95 09:17:43 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: SIGCHI Home Page To: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , perlman Message-id: <307BEE27@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 48 TEXT Status: RO Mike, below Gary asks how he can get access to be able to change the page. You need to appoint him as the Information Director (and he needs to have an official role) to be able to have access. Please send me a message and tell me that Gary will be the information director for SIGCHI in the interim. So, I will assume that Gary will fix the out of date, not working page? thanks, diane ---------- From: perlman To: atwood Cc: Darrow; atwood.chi; boy; miller.chi; morris.chi; mccarren Subject: Re: SIGCHI Home Page Date: Tuesday, October 10, 1995 11:59AM > > At 8:29 AM 10/9/95, Diane Darrow wrote: > >Hi Mike, Guy and Scooter, > > > >I would like permission to work internally with our staff to help to correct > >some of the problems with the SIGCHI home page. I realize everyone is busy > >but this page really doesn't work and doesn't speak very well for the > >organization. While the home pages are supposed to be maintained by the > >volunteer information directors I understand there hasn't been enought time > >lately. Would you object if I step in here and make some changes? thanks, > >diane. (p.s. they will only be operational changes, not conceptual). > > thanks,d iane > > Any help with the SIGCHI home page would certainly be appreciated. I've > copied Gary Perlman on this note since I would like such activities > coordinated through him. Gary volunteered to devise a plan for keeping the > home page up to date and this relates to some other WWW activities he has > planned. I am sorry to have taken so long getting started on this, but our fall term is now started and I have more free time (that is, if my toddler stays healthy -- I am home with him today). I've started gathering information on the tasks related to the SIGCHI Web presence, but I have not yet organized it, nor have I started organizing an information processing task force. At the risk of getting stuck with a job I'd rather see done by someone else, I'd be happy to make updates to the Web pages. How can I log in and get permissions on the pages? I am not very familiar with VMS, but I think I can get around adequately. From Darrow@ny.hq.acm.org Wed Oct 11 11:02:13 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA21226 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:02:10 -0400 Received: from Cipher.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14769(1)>; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:37:17 PDT Received: from ACM.ORG ([192.135.174.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14537(4)>; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:47:39 PDT Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 3954"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HWB1JW0HOW00DQ3J@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13783; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:32:14 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <307BE57D@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Wed, 11 Oct 95 08:40:45 PDT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 30 TEXT X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BBE231 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:06:00 PDT From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: ACM Resume Database To: "'Announcements'" Message-ID: <307BE57D@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> Status: RO Hi Folks, for your information. This is a new service of ACM that you might be interested in. Please feel free to pass this on to others. regards, diane. ---------- From: Haritini Kanthou To: Allstaff Subject: ACM Resume Database Date: Monday, October 09, 1995 2:40PM Our ACM Member Resume Database is nearing a listing of 100 resumes since we first started this free service to members last April. The database is searchable by key words, is updated every six months, and is made available to prospective employers on a single-search or annual subscription basis through Resume-Link. ACM members can submit resumes online, at http://www.Resume-Link.com/, and by mail (either by contacting Member Services or Resume-Link for a hard copy of the form). Resume-Link can be reached at 614-529-0429. We encourage all ACM members to join, both professionals and students. We are adding a new feature this fall, coop and internship position searches, to better serve the needs of our student members. Please feel free to refer prospective employers and ACM members interested in using this service either to Member Services or to Resume-Link. Thank you for pitching in and spreading the word on this membership benefit. Regards, Haritini Kanthou From atwood@nynexst.com Thu Oct 12 13:36:00 1995 Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com [128.209.10.10]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA16317 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:35:58 -0400 Received: from asterix.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA14018; Thu, 12 Oct 95 13:35:16 EDT Received: from [128.209.163.6] (arthur-mac) by asterix.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02806; Thu, 12 Oct 95 13:35:13 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:33:57 -0500 To: Diane Darrow , Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , perlman From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: FW: SIGCHI Home Page Status: RO Diane -- Per your note below, Gary Perlman is appointed interim Information Director for SIGCHI. I believe that he will take responsibility for updating the home page and for using any ACM resources that available to help in this effort. Thanks -- Mike At 8:48 AM 10/11/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >Mike, below Gary asks how he can get access to be able to change the page. > You need to appoint him as the Information Director (and he needs to have >an official role) to be able to have access. Please send me a message and >tell me that Gary will be the information director for SIGCHI in the >interim. So, I will assume that Gary will fix the out of date, not working >page? thanks, diane > ---------- >From: perlman >To: atwood >Cc: Darrow; atwood.chi; boy; miller.chi; morris.chi; mccarren >Subject: Re: SIGCHI Home Page >Date: Tuesday, October 10, 1995 11:59AM > >> >> At 8:29 AM 10/9/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >> >Hi Mike, Guy and Scooter, >> > >> >I would like permission to work internally with our staff to help to >correct >> >some of the problems with the SIGCHI home page. I realize everyone is >busy >> >but this page really doesn't work and doesn't speak very well for the >> >organization. While the home pages are supposed to be maintained by the >> >volunteer information directors I understand there hasn't been enought >time >> >lately. Would you object if I step in here and make some changes? > thanks, >> >diane. (p.s. they will only be operational changes, not conceptual). >> > thanks,d iane >> >> Any help with the SIGCHI home page would certainly be appreciated. I've >> copied Gary Perlman on this note since I would like such activities >> coordinated through him. Gary volunteered to devise a plan for keeping the >> home page up to date and this relates to some other WWW activities he has >> planned. > >I am sorry to have taken so long getting started on this, >but our fall term is now started and I have more free time >(that is, if my toddler stays healthy -- I am home with him today). >I've started gathering information on the tasks related to the >SIGCHI Web presence, but I have not yet organized it, nor have >I started organizing an information processing task force. >At the risk of getting stuck with a job I'd rather see done by >someone else, I'd be happy to make updates to the Web pages. >How can I log in and get permissions on the pages? I am not >very familiar with VMS, but I think I can get around adequately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From barish@ny.hq.acm.org Thu Oct 12 16:44:20 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA01040 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:44:16 -0400 Received: from pigeon.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14852(6)>; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:21 PDT Received: from ACM.ORG ([192.135.174.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15510(1)>; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:41:44 PDT Return-receipt-to: barish@ny.hq.acm.org Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 1639"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HWCWESHRDC00DJZ5@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:41:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13038; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:26:02 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <307DA608@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:34:32 PDT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 91 TEXT X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BC2038 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:06:00 PDT From: Rachael Barish Subject: SIGCHI Information Director To: Mike Clore , "'Keith Instone'" cc: Donna Baglio , Diane Darrow , "'Gary Perlman, SIGCHI'" Message-ID: <307DA608@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> Status: RO Hi Guys, We have an information director change for SIGCHI here. Gary's e-mail is perlman.chi@xerox.com. Please change the SIGCHI Information Director account over to him and let him know how to get access to the SIGCHI files. Thanks, Rachael ---------- From: Diane Darrow To: Rachael Barish Cc: Donna Baglio; Patrick McCarren; Mike Atwood; Guy Boy; Jim Miller Subject: FW: FW: SIGCHI Home Page Date: Thursday, October 12, 1995 2:04PM Rachael, Gary Perlman (who is the SIGCHI Vice Chair for PUblications) is taking on the responsibility of SIGCHI Information Director, on an interim basis. We need to get him connected to the right people and get him on the lists. How do we proceed? Thanks for your help. regards, diane. ---------- From: atwood To: Diane Darrow; Mike Atwood; Guy Boy; perlman Subject: Re: FW: SIGCHI Home Page Date: Thursday, October 12, 1995 1:33PM Diane -- Per your note below, Gary Perlman is appointed interim Information Director for SIGCHI. I believe that he will take responsibility for updating the home page and for using any ACM resources that available to help in this effort. Thanks -- Mike At 8:48 AM 10/11/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >Mike, below Gary asks how he can get access to be able to change the page. > You need to appoint him as the Information Director (and he needs to have >an official role) to be able to have access. Please send me a message and >tell me that Gary will be the information director for SIGCHI in the >interim. So, I will assume that Gary will fix the out of date, not working >page? thanks, diane > ---------- >From: perlman >To: atwood >Cc: Darrow; atwood.chi; boy; miller.chi; morris.chi; mccarren >Subject: Re: SIGCHI Home Page >Date: Tuesday, October 10, 1995 11:59AM > >> >> At 8:29 AM 10/9/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >> >Hi Mike, Guy and Scooter, >> > >> >I would like permission to work internally with our staff to help to >correct >> >some of the problems with the SIGCHI home page. I realize everyone is >busy >> >but this page really doesn't work and doesn't speak very well for the >> >organization. While the home pages are supposed to be maintained by the >> >volunteer information directors I understand there hasn't been enought >time >> >lately. Would you object if I step in here and make some changes? > thanks, >> >diane. (p.s. they will only be operational changes, not conceptual). >> > thanks,d iane >> >> Any help with the SIGCHI home page would certainly be appreciated. I've >> copied Gary Perlman on this note since I would like such activities >> coordinated through him. Gary volunteered to devise a plan for keeping the >> home page up to date and this relates to some other WWW activities he has >> planned. > >I am sorry to have taken so long getting started on this, >but our fall term is now started and I have more free time >(that is, if my toddler stays healthy -- I am home with him today). >I've started gathering information on the tasks related to the >SIGCHI Web presence, but I have not yet organized it, nor have >I started organizing an information processing task force. >At the risk of getting stuck with a job I'd rather see done by >someone else, I'd be happy to make updates to the Web pages. >How can I log in and get permissions on the pages? I am not >very familiar with VMS, but I think I can get around adequately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Thu Oct 12 17:00:09 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA01738 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:59:56 -0400 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 1660"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HWCX1D3WBK009Y83@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:59:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15666; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:43:56 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <307DAA3B@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:52:27 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: SIGCHI Information Director To: perlman Cc: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Jim Miller , "'Scooter Morris'" Message-id: <307DAA3B@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 105 TEXT Status: RO Gary, either Michael Clore or Keith Instone should be in touch with you shortly to work with you on access to the SIGCHI home page. If you don't hear from them please let me know. IN the meantime you might want to speak with Scooter Morris, the previous Information Director for SIGCHI. Scooter had a good understanding the the directions of this emerging program. If you need his contact info, please let me know. regards, diane. ---------- From: Rachael Barish To: Mike Clore; 'Keith Instone' Cc: Donna Baglio; Diane Darrow; 'Gary Perlman, SIGCHI' Subject: SIGCHI Information Director Date: Thursday, October 12, 1995 4:06PM Priority: High Hi Guys, We have an information director change for SIGCHI here. Gary's e-mail is perlman.chi@xerox.com. Please change the SIGCHI Information Director account over to him and let him know how to get access to the SIGCHI files. Thanks, Rachael ---------- From: Diane Darrow To: Rachael Barish Cc: Donna Baglio; Patrick McCarren; Mike Atwood; Guy Boy; Jim Miller Subject: FW: FW: SIGCHI Home Page Date: Thursday, October 12, 1995 2:04PM Rachael, Gary Perlman (who is the SIGCHI Vice Chair for PUblications) is taking on the responsibility of SIGCHI Information Director, on an interim basis. We need to get him connected to the right people and get him on the lists. How do we proceed? Thanks for your help. regards, diane. ---------- From: atwood To: Diane Darrow; Mike Atwood; Guy Boy; perlman Subject: Re: FW: SIGCHI Home Page Date: Thursday, October 12, 1995 1:33PM Diane -- Per your note below, Gary Perlman is appointed interim Information Director for SIGCHI. I believe that he will take responsibility for updating the home page and for using any ACM resources that available to help in this effort. Thanks -- Mike At 8:48 AM 10/11/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >Mike, below Gary asks how he can get access to be able to change the page. > You need to appoint him as the Information Director (and he needs to have >an official role) to be able to have access. Please send me a message and >tell me that Gary will be the information director for SIGCHI in the >interim. So, I will assume that Gary will fix the out of date, not working >page? thanks, diane > ---------- >From: perlman >To: atwood >Cc: Darrow; atwood.chi; boy; miller.chi; morris.chi; mccarren >Subject: Re: SIGCHI Home Page >Date: Tuesday, October 10, 1995 11:59AM > >> >> At 8:29 AM 10/9/95, Diane Darrow wrote: >> >Hi Mike, Guy and Scooter, >> > >> >I would like permission to work internally with our staff to help to >correct >> >some of the problems with the SIGCHI home page. I realize everyone is >busy >> >but this page really doesn't work and doesn't speak very well for the >> >organization. While the home pages are supposed to be maintained by the >> >volunteer information directors I understand there hasn't been enought >time >> >lately. Would you object if I step in here and make some changes? > thanks, >> >diane. (p.s. they will only be operational changes, not conceptual). >> > thanks,d iane >> >> Any help with the SIGCHI home page would certainly be appreciated. I've >> copied Gary Perlman on this note since I would like such activities >> coordinated through him. Gary volunteered to devise a plan for keeping the >> home page up to date and this relates to some other WWW activities he has >> planned. > >I am sorry to have taken so long getting started on this, >but our fall term is now started and I have more free time >(that is, if my toddler stays healthy -- I am home with him today). >I've started gathering information on the tasks related to the >SIGCHI Web presence, but I have not yet organized it, nor have >I started organizing an information processing task force. >At the risk of getting stuck with a job I'd rather see done by >someone else, I'd be happy to make updates to the Web pages. >How can I log in and get permissions on the pages? I am not >very familiar with VMS, but I think I can get around adequately. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Fri Oct 13 08:39:48 1995 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA14912 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:47 -0400 Received: from hydra.cs.bgsu.edu (hydra.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.3]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with ESMTP id IAA05332 sender instone ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:36 -0400 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by hydra.cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.10) id IAA18529; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:38:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:38:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199510131238.IAA18529@hydra.cs.bgsu.edu> To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Director Cc: clore@acm.org, instone@cs.bgsu.edu Status: RO >We have an information director change for SIGCHI here. Gary's e-mail is >perlman.chi@xerox.com. Please change the SIGCHI Information Director >account over to him and let him know how to get access to the SIGCHI files. Welcome aboard Gary! Shall we get you started "on the right foot" and just create an account on the (new) Unix web server? If you *want* to use VMS, we can accomodate you as well. Below is the form to fill out; return it to Michael Clore, since he will actually be setting up your account. Keith PS It is also my pleasure to have you be one of the last IDs I sign on, since my term is ending soon. ---- ACM Network Services Member Full Service Account Application Date: ___/___/____ Name: ____________________________________________________ Last First Address: ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ City State Zip Country Bus. 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Box 21599 Waco, TX 76702 Fax Number: (817)751-7785 05/17/93 From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Fri Oct 13 09:20:13 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA16890; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:19:52 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id JAA14934; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:19:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199510131319.JAA14934@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Director To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:19:48 -0500 (EDT) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, clore@acm.org, instone@cs.bgsu.edu In-Reply-To: <199510131238.IAA18529@hydra.cs.bgsu.edu> from "Keith Instone" at Oct 13, 95 08:38:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3257 Status: RO Thanks Keith. Michael, please set this up and send me the info I need to telnet over. > >We have an information director change for SIGCHI here. Gary's e-mail is > >perlman.chi@xerox.com. Please change the SIGCHI Information Director > >account over to him and let him know how to get access to the SIGCHI files. > > Welcome aboard Gary! Shall we get you started "on the right foot" and just > create an account on the (new) Unix web server? If you *want* to use VMS, > we can accomodate you as well. I'll take the UNIX account, thank you. > Below is the form to fill out; return it to Michael Clore, since he will actually > be setting up your account. > > > Keith > PS It is also my pleasure to have you be one of the last IDs I sign on, since > my term is ending soon. > > > ---- > > ACM Network Services > Member Full Service Account Application > > Date: 10_/13_/95__ > > Name: Perlman_____________________Gary____________________ > Last First > > > Address: Computer and Information Science, Ohio State Univ.__ > > 2015 Neil Avenue____________________________________ > > Columbus OH 43210 USA_______________ > City State Zip Country > > > Bus. Phone: (614 )_292-2566___ Home Phone: (614 )_457-5508__ > > > ACM Member Number: 246 3016______________ > > You will be assigned a unique user id. Your last name will > be used if it is unique. Otherwise your first and last name > will be used. If you would like a specific user id other > than the one chosen by this rule, enter it. Otherwise leave > this line blank. This user id can not be longer than twelve > characters. > > Requested user ID: ______________________ > > You will be assigned a unique network mail address with a > mail id that is the same as your user id: > > @acm.org > > If you wish to have a network mail id that is longer than > the twelve character limit of your user id, please enter it > below. Note: only request a special network mail address if > you need a mail id that is longer than twelve characters. > > Requested mail ID: ____________________________@acm.org > > You can read your mail by logging into the ACM Network > Services electronic mail system or you can have your mail > forwarded to an account you have on another system. If you > want your electronic mail forwarded to another system, enter > the forwarding mail address here. Otherwise leave this line > blank. (With an internal account you will still be able to > log on to an ACM host for Bulletin Board and Internet > access.) > > Forwarding Mail Address: perlman_________@cis.ohio-state.edu > > Billing Method: ___VISA ___Master Card ___AMEX > > Card Number: _____________________ Expiration: ____________ > > > Signature: __________________________________ > > I learned about ACM Network Services through: > > ___ Conference ___ Another ACM Member > > ___ Electronic Discussion ___ ACM Mailing > > ___ Other: ________________________________________________ > > Return to: ACM Network Services > P.O. Box 21599 > Waco, TX 76702 > > Fax Number: (817)751-7785 From clore@ACM.ORG Wed Oct 18 19:52:59 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA22094 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1329"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HWLGTR0FFK00LY0L@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:52:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:53:46 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re[2]: SIGCHI Information Director X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Gary Perlman Cc: instone@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Gary: Hi. I have established an account for you on turing.acm.org (www.acm.org) to support your work as the SIGCHI Information Director. Your username is: perlman. I'll send your password in another message. As soon as you have a chance, please log in and change the password. Information about the system is available at http://www.acm.org/infodir/ Some of the SIGCHI pages, everything except CHI96, is on the older system pascal.acm.org. If you want, I can tar the files and move them over to turing. I've updated the infodir_sigchi@acm.org e-mail alias, so you are now on a couple e-mail distribution lists for Information Directors (infodirs_sig@acm.org, infodirs@acm.org, and infopros@acm.org). Let me know if you have any questions or encounter problems. Regards, Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From clore@ACM.ORG Mon Oct 30 18:56:19 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA11992 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:56:17 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1905"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HX26CSRHYO008F9K@ACM.ORG>; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:56:09 -0600 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:57:20 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: Re[2]: SIGCHI InfoDir -> WWW Server X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Gary Perlman Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Gary. >I am still waiting for the SIGCHI files to appear on turing. >Do you have an estimated date for this? I just finished it a little while ago. The pages can be tested on the port 8005 server using http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/. Once we know the documents are working, I'll configure the production httpd to serve the files off turing instead of the old server. When I pulled up the home page, I noticed that it has a base tag. That will have to be removed in order to do the testing. There are probably base tags in other documents too. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From djk@microsoft.com Tue Oct 31 14:49:40 1995 Received: from netmail2.microsoft.com (netmail2.microsoft.com [131.107.1.13]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA13218 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:49:38 -0500 Received: by netmail2.microsoft.com (5.65/25-eef) id AA21395; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:03:38 -0800 Message-Id: <9510312103.AA21395@netmail2.microsoft.com> Received: by netmail2 using fxenixd 1.0 Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:03:37 PST X-Msmail-Message-Id: 0E7F1FCC X-Msmail-Conversation-Id: 0E7F1FCC From: David Kurlander To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:54:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: UIST Web Pages X-Msxmtid: red-42-msg951031175401MTP[01.51.01]000000a6-37145 Status: RO Hi Gary, I'm not sure if you remember me, but I was in a CHI workshop with you back in '91. Anyway, I'm the general chair for ACM UIST '96, and we would like to put our conference information up on the Web. Diane Darrow says that you are information Director, and that you could give us the necessary information on how to put our pages on the acm machine. In the past we have had UIST Web pages, but they've typically not had an acm http address. Although we can do that again this year, one of the committee members suggested that it would be more "official" if we could have this information part of ACM's Web tree. So my questions to you are: 1) Is it possible to put the UIST pages on an ACM machine, and give us an account on the machine so that we can modify the pages as necessary. 2) What would be the http address of the UIST home page? We are putting together the Call For Participation this week, and we would need this address, even before the UIST pages are put on the net. Since we're rushing to get this done now, in time to hand out the CFP at this year's conference in mid November, it would help me greatly if you could respond to this email promptly! Thanks for your help, David ---------- From: Diane Darrow To: David Kurlander Cc: "atwood.chi" ; boy ; "lynch.chi" Subject: RE: UIST 96 Contract Date: Tuesday, October 31, 1995 9:30AM David, it would be fine for you to create the pages on acm.org. The information Director, (a volunteer who is involved in this process) for SIGCHI is Gary Perlman at Ohio State. I suggest you contact him and converse with him about this. The alternative is to create it somewhere else and be sure it is linked (as it has been in the past). Let me know if you don't get response or need further info. regards, diane. ---------- From: David Kurlander To: darrow Cc: atwood.chi; boy; lynch.chi Subject: RE: UIST 96 Contract Date: Monday, October 30, 1995 11:33AM Great news about Katy -- I knew that she was due soon. Thanks for the quick response. I'll fax you a copy of the Call For Participation later this week, for your OK. One question that came up in preparing the CFP... I was planning on creating a set of UIST Web pages to help advertise the conference, and provide additional information on paper standards, etc... Although I initially thought of putting the pages on www.research.microsoft.com, one of the committee members thought that it would be more appropriate to put them on the ACM server. Is this feasible and preferable? (and if so, what would be the http address of the UIST '96 home page, so we can include this information in the CFP). Thanks, David From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Oct 31 17:15:01 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA23159; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:13:56 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id RAA25993; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:13:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199510312213.RAA25993@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: UIST Web Pages To: djk@microsoft.com (David Kurlander) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:13:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman), clore@acm.org, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org In-Reply-To: <9510312103.AA21395@netmail2.microsoft.com> from "David Kurlander" at Oct 31, 95 09:54:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1752 Status: RO > So my questions to you are: > > 1) Is it possible to put the UIST pages on an ACM machine, and give us > an account on the machine so that we can modify the pages as necessary. We have no policy on this, so I don't see why not! Getting pages on the ACM machine should be easy. I am not sure of the process for getting an account, so I am cc'ing Michael Clore to look into this for us. Michael, should the UIST (User Interface Software Technology) conference have its own login on acm.org, and if so, then how can we get it set up? An alternative is to have the main page for UIST95 at ACM.ORG, but have it point to files at other sites (and under your control). (I am only the interim information director, and the SIGCHI files were transferred to a new machine just this week, so things are in a state of confusion.) > 2) What would be the http address of the UIST home page? We are > putting together the Call For Participation this week, and we would > need this address, even before the UIST pages are put on the net. I am pretty sure it will be: http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/uist95 (i.e., http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/uist95/index.html) Michael, given that the files have moved from pascal to turing, is the above URL still going to be correct? > Since we're rushing to get this done now, in time to hand out the CFP > at this year's conference in mid November, it would help me greatly if > you could respond to this email promptly! I am typing as fast as I can! Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From clore@ACM.ORG Wed Nov 1 19:31:01 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA10220 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:30:59 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1938"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HX504UPPQO00AU4U@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 01 Nov 1995 18:30:34 -0600 (CDT) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:31:46 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: Re[2]: SIGCHI Information Director X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Gary Perlman Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO >Thanks. I checked out the files today and they seem to be there. >Give me a day or two to clean up the files and I'll tell you to make >the switch to the new server. At least there is not too much to >clean up -- just a few pages. Great. Thanks. >> When I pulled up the home page, I noticed that it has a base tag. >> That will have to be removed in order to do the testing. There are >> probably base tags in other documents too. > >I plan to simply remove the base tags because all browsers know how >to figure out relative locations. Do you see a downside to this? >I have never needed to use base tags in any sites I have maintained, >but I fear I am overlooking something. In the case of SIGCHI, the base tags aren't needed anymore. I think there are two reasons the BASE tag was being used. First, when SIGCHI moved from Gopher to the Web, a link from the Gopher space to the WWW space was created. But, when you do that, the URLs start getting really strange (and extra weird because we were on VMS). The BASE tag reset the URL back to something sane. The other reason I think it was used is so the host name info.sigchi.acm.org would appear even if someone entered the space using www.acm.org. We should really be using http://www.acm.org/sigchi. All of the SIG URLs should have a similar form that is easy to guess and remember. In the beginning some ACM groups were worried about needing to get their own servers. They started using different host names to establish persistent addresses. But now, using a different host name isn't necessary. There are also better ways to distribute the load than splitting it by ACM unit, and ACM will provide the necessary computing resources to keep the web servers running smoothly. Then there is the issue of mirroring our services in other countries. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From clore@acm.org Thu Nov 2 13:08:46 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA29762 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:08:44 -0500 Received: from Toucan.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15529(1)>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:07:15 PST Received: from ACM.ORG ([192.135.174.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15705(3)>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:05:20 PST Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1377"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HX60RFSNHS00CDQO@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 11:59:21 -0600 (CDT) X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BEC486 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:00:33 PST From: clore@acm.org (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: Access control To: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl cc: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Message-ID: Status: RO Steven: Hi. I've been meaning to send you a message about access control I have protected the SIGCHI bulletin on one of the test servers. Access is limited to SIGCHI members only. You can test it at http://www.acm.org:8001/sigchi/. There is still a piece missing that I hope to put in place soon. The Web account maintainance occurs on another machine, and I need to put a process in place to update the appropriate files on turing (and other servers). Your Web account on turing is the same one that you created a while ago when we where testing the authentication system. Let me know if you encounter any problems. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Fri Nov 3 00:11:52 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA07918; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 00:11:51 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id AAA29236; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 00:11:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 00:11:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199511030511.AAA29236@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: clore@ACM.ORG, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: SIGCHI InfoDir -> WWW Server Status: O >>I am still waiting for the SIGCHI files to appear on turing. >>Do you have an estimated date for this? > >I just finished it a little while ago. The pages can be tested on the >port 8005 server using http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/. >Once we know the documents are working, I'll configure the >production httpd to serve the files off turing instead of the old server. I made a quick pass over the files, at least removing the obvious syntactic errors so now no errant HTML shows. Before we move to the new server, I'd like to clarify an issue, that being the URL of the SIGCHI pages. The SIGCHI pages have been at: http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/ for a long time now, so any change will cause some problems. First, I agree that www.acm.org/sigchi is the right name, but my main concern is about continuity. If the new URL is installed, can the old URL still work? If so, for how long? I'd prefer to maintain mirror pages if the alternative is an abrupt change of URL. Is the old server going to stick around, and if so, can if automatically forward any browsers to the new location (and give a forwarding address message-page if a browser does not support automatic forwarding)? Do you have any ideas to help ease the change of URL (even if the old URL will still work for people)? On a separate but related topic, SIGCHI has no policy for what goes onto its pages. Do other SIGs have such policies we could look at? Is this something that should be send to one of the infodir mailing lists? Gary From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Fri Nov 3 11:07:31 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA05436 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:07:29 -0500 Received: from pigeon.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15147(1)>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 08:05:42 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14831(3)>; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 07:56:33 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA03827 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:56:29 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id KAA11567 for eec.chi@xerox.com; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:56:26 -0500 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200BEEA69 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 07:56:26 PST Sender: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: SIGCHI WWW Pages To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <199511031556.KAA11567@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: RO I have taken a pass through the SIGCHI pages, updating them for the move to the new server, and fixing some obvious problems. (I'll have a report in a few days on the move to the new server, mainly on its potential impact, and how dangling links can be avoided.) You can see the new page at this secret spot: http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/ The eventual URL will be the obvious: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/ In an attempt to force the process of how to submit suggested changes and how to decide on them, I'd like you to look at the pages and make suggestions. Send them to infodir_sigchi@acm.org and I'll collect them to see what they look like before asking for ideas about which changes to make. I have started writing a job description for the SIGCHI information director, a job I am starting to understand pretty well. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From clore@ACM.ORG Fri Nov 3 12:02:40 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA09314 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:02:36 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1826"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HX7CK5LADS00C0B6@ACM.ORG>; Fri, 03 Nov 1995 10:47:58 -0600 (CDT) Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 09:49:11 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: Re[2]: SIGCHI InfoDir -> WWW Server X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Gary Perlman Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Gary. >Before we move to the new server, I'd like to clarify >an issue, that being the URL of the SIGCHI pages. >The SIGCHI pages have been at: > http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/ >for a long time now, so any change will cause some problems. >First, I agree that www.acm.org/sigchi is the right name, >but my main concern is about continuity. > >If the new URL is installed, can the old URL still work? >If so, for how long? I'd prefer to maintain mirror >pages if the alternative is an abrupt change of URL. > >Is the old server going to stick around, and if so, >can if automatically forward any browsers to the new location >(and give a forwarding address message-page if a browser >does not support automatic forwarding)? I agree. This is an important issue. The URLs under http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/ will continue to work for as long as we needed. As suggested, clients who use an info.sigchi.acm.org URL will be redirected (and if necessary a message-page will be returned). >Do you have any ideas to help ease the change of URL >(even if the old URL will still work for people)? How about: - Send a message to all the Information Directors asking them to update any links they have to the SIGCHI web. - Start publishing and promoting http://www.acm.org/sigchi/ - For some reasonable amount of time, people will be transparently redirected (if their client supports it) to the new URL. So, the change won't be very intrusive. Later, we can introduce a script that captures (if the client the person is using supports it. Many of them do) the URL of WWW documents still using info.sigchi.acm.org. Someone could then contact the page owners directly. If the URL of the referring page isn't available, a message could be inserted in the person's session. >On a separate but related topic, SIGCHI has no policy for what >goes onto its pages. Do other SIGs have such policies we could >look at? Is this something that should be send to one of the >infodir mailing lists? As far as I know most SIGs do not have such a policy. But, I think SIGGRAPH did develop something. You can send a message to all the SIG Information at infodirs_sig@acm.org. You can contact the SIGGRAPH people directly at infodir_siggraph@acm.org. One of the projects we've been struggling with is related. An official and complete set of guidelines for the ACM web needs to be developed. The problem has mainly been, IMO, with human resources and installing the proper structure to support it. The ECCC is finishing a report that will be addressing the issue. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Fri Nov 3 18:34:55 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA05112 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:34:54 -0500 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 2439"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HX7QRJ07S000DNQU@ACM.ORG>; Fri, 03 Nov 1995 17:34:34 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18888; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <309ACFBC@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Fri, 03 Nov 95 18:28:12 PST Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 16:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Darrow Subject: RE: SIGCHI WWW Pages To: "eec.chi" , perlman Cc: "'Michael Clore'" Message-id: <309ACFBC@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 47 TEXT Status: RO Hi Gary, great. I wanted to provide you with the base line job description of an Information Director (which we obtained from Michael Clore). It is: Each ACM forum and information service is managed by an appropriate Information Director. Maintaining accurate data in a forum or information base is the responsibility of the Information Director. An Information Director is also responsible for collaborating with the ACM-NS Information Project leaders, and other Information Directors, to develop new and appropriate forums and information services. In addition, an Information Director may act as a liaison between his/her constituency and the ACM-NS. I encourage you to be collaborating with Michael Clore (an hopefully copying me) as you create this proposed job description. thanks, diane. ---------- From: perlman To: eec.chi Subject: SIGCHI WWW Pages Date: Friday, November 03, 1995 7:56AM I have taken a pass through the SIGCHI pages, updating them for the move to the new server, and fixing some obvious problems. (I'll have a report in a few days on the move to the new server, mainly on its potential impact, and how dangling links can be avoided.) You can see the new page at this secret spot: http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/ The eventual URL will be the obvious: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/ In an attempt to force the process of how to submit suggested changes and how to decide on them, I'd like you to look at the pages and make suggestions. Send them to infodir_sigchi@acm.org and I'll collect them to see what they look like before asking for ideas about which changes to make. I have started writing a job description for the SIGCHI information director, a job I am starting to understand pretty well. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Mon Nov 13 18:12:59 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id SAA05149 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:12:57 -0500 Received: from Minos.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16602(1)>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:11:55 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15131(4)>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:08:59 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA04782 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:08:55 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id SAA02943 for eec.chi@xerox.com; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:08:53 -0500 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C02B81 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:08:53 PST Sender: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: SIGCHI Bylaws online To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <199511132308.SAA02943@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: RO I placed the SIGCHI Bylaws at the future WWW site: http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/bylaws.html with links between that and related documents (e.g., the SIGCHI officers). To my surprise, I found that the newsletter editor is an ex officio executive committee member, as is the chair of the advisory board, so I moved those two categories on the officers.html page. One byproduct of linking the officers and bylaws pages is that you can now click on a title and get an official job description. Job descriptions of other positions (e.g., the real information director) may eventually get added so that people can tell what we are supposed to be doing, at least officially. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Mon Nov 13 18:12:59 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id SAA05149 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:12:57 -0500 Received: from Minos.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16602(1)>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:11:55 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15131(4)>; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:08:59 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA04782 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:08:55 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id SAA02943 for eec.chi@xerox.com; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:08:53 -0500 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C02B81 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:08:53 PST Sender: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: SIGCHI Bylaws online To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <199511132308.SAA02943@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: RO I placed the SIGCHI Bylaws at the future WWW site: http://www.acm.org:8005/sigchi/bylaws.html with links between that and related documents (e.g., the SIGCHI officers). To my surprise, I found that the newsletter editor is an ex officio executive committee member, as is the chair of the advisory board, so I moved those two categories on the officers.html page. One byproduct of linking the officers and bylaws pages is that you can now click on a title and get an official job description. Job descriptions of other positions (e.g., the real information director) may eventually get added so that people can tell what we are supposed to be doing, at least officially. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Tue Nov 14 11:30:54 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA22664 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:30:53 -0500 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 3465"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HXMP5SWZW0004HGG@ACM.ORG>; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:30:41 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14397; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 11:13:43 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <30A8ECCE@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 95 11:23:58 PST Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:59:00 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: ACM Services To: "'Michael Clore'" Cc: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , "'Gary Perlman'" Message-id: <30A8ECCE@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 68 TEXT Status: RO Michael, this was forwarded to me by one of the SIGCHI folks. If this is a duplicate please let me know. I have also copied Gary on this message so that he is aware of what is going on. thanks, diane. ---------- From: Don Patterson To: darrow Subject: Re: ACM Services Date: Tuesday, November 14, 1995 8:06AM Diane, Hi. Long time no see/hear. It's different not being involved with the EEC and all that but I'm so busy it's really been a relief not having to deal with it. Just a comment about ACM electronic services. I received the following message as Registrar.chi. Background: Rob had requested that he be removed from several distribution lists, II being one of them. Since that is now at acm.org Nick informed him that he would have to deal with the acm list server. The result: ========== 14-NOV-1995 02:29:10.11 From: IN%"rjn@minster.cs.york.ac.UK" To: IN%"Registrar.CHI@xerox.COM" Nick, I have tried to unsubscribe myself from II.CHI by sending > UNSUBSCRIBE II.CHI rjn-chi@minster.york.ac.uk to MAILSERV@ACM.ORG, but I get this back: > Error processing the command: UNSUBSCRIBE II.CHI rjn-chi@minster.york.ac.uk > You are not authorized to unsubscribe RJN-CHI@MINSTER.YORK.AC.UK from the mailing list II_CHI > %MAILSERV-W-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation > Use the HELP command to get a list of legal MAILSERV commands. What should I do now? Is there a person I can email about it? Sorry for the trouble, Rob. __________________________________________________________________ Rob Noble, Dept. of Computer Science, York University, YO1 5DD, UK e: rjn@minster.york.ac.uk p: +44 1904 432777 f: +44 1904 432767 ========== ACM is getting a very bad reputation for electronic services. BayCHI has experienced the same type of problems in trying to maintain a web page there. Our folks have become so frustrated at trying to deal with the acm system that we are removing our web page from acm (other thanl a redundant reflector) and establishing BayCHI.org with a commercial provider. I consider that a very black mark on acm. Hope someone addresses these problems in the near future. Cheers, Don From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Nov 15 10:10:27 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA02589; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:10:25 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id KAA07159; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:10:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199511151510.KAA07159@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: FW: ACM Services To: Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org (Diane Darrow) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:10:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: clore@ACM.ORG, atwood.chi@xerox.com, boy@cert.fr, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu In-Reply-To: <30A8ECCE@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> from "Diane Darrow" at Nov 14, 95 10:59:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2105 Status: O > Just a comment about ACM electronic services. I received the following > message as Registrar.chi. Background: Rob had requested that he be > removed from several distribution lists, II being one of them. Since > that is now at acm.org Nick informed him that he would have to deal > with the acm list server. The result: This is a nasty problem that might be an opportunity. The listserv world is in a mess because of cranky interfaces, inconsistent protocols, and people not knowing how to subscribe, unsubscribe, or go on vacation without bothering the entire list. I wonder: If we had a member database, could we provide a form for someone to check boxes for the ACM SIGCHI (and perhaps others like UTEST and HFES/CSTG-L) lists and do things like un/subscribe without people needing to know the protocols? I think it should be possible to do this with a simple web interface, no? If we could do that, then the interface issue, the inadvertent spamming issue, and the recod-keeping issue might be solved. Am I dreaming? > ACM is getting a very bad reputation for electronic services. > BayCHI has experienced the same type of problems in trying to > maintain a web page there. Our folks have become so frustrated > at trying to deal with the acm system that we are removing our > web page from acm (other thanl a redundant reflector) and > establishing BayCHI.org with a commercial provider. I consider > that a very black mark on acm. This is a separate issue, and apparently not one for SIGCHI, but I think we should be concerned. A problem here is that we (or maybe it's just I) do not know what the problem is. Might the problem be helped by the move to the UNIX server? For me, since the files were moved to the UNIX server (although public access has been delayed during testing), I have found it easy to make changes. Gary Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From clore@ACM.ORG Wed Nov 15 10:46:17 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA04578 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:46:15 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1841"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HXO1VBY09S0058R5@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:45:59 -0600 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:47:27 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: FW: ACM Services X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Diane Darrow , "'Michael Clore'" Cc: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , "'Gary Perlman'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Diane: I unsubscribed rjn-chi@minster.york.ac.uk fom the II.CHI list. Rob used a privleged form of the unsubscribe command that can be used to unsubscribe anyone from the list. He needed to use "unsubscribe II.CHI." I just received a message about all of this from Gary. I'll respond to that shortly. Regards, Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147;Internet:clore@acm.org;http://acm.org/~clore/homepage.html From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Nov 15 23:33:08 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA21851 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:33:06 -0500 Received: from Charon.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14558(9)>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:32:27 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15179(2)>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:26:26 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA21541 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:26:19 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id XAA21535 for eec.chi@xerox.com; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:25:58 -0500 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C0881B Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:25:58 PST Sender: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: SIGCHI WWW site, Information Director page To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <199511160425.XAA21535@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: O As the interim SIGCHI Information Director (ID), I have overseen the transition from the old SIGCHI WWW server to the new one, and in so doing, have a better idea of what the SIGCHI ID should be doing. We are ready for a new ID. FYI, Our old URL: http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi will work for as long as it is needed, but you should now use: http://www.acm.org/sigchi which has the virtue of being easier to remember. The pages there have been updated, and I am beginning to discuss with Steven Pemberton how information might be coordinated between the Bulletin and the SIGCHI WWW pages. I have finished a draft of a job description for the SIGCHI ID and would like your input. The description serves two purposes: (1) recruiting a non-interim ID (2) organizing the information I picked up the hard way The description is hanging off my WWW directory: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman/infodir.html I'd like to get feedback on the description as well as how we should go about using it to recruit a new ID. (Do we broadcast it to announcements.chi, or ask selected people first?) I'll append a text dump of the draft page to this message. Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman ACM SIGCHI Information Director Job Description (DRAFT) The ACM SIGCHI Information Director manages the information at the SIGCHI Web site. The position is currently open. If you feel that you are qualified for the position (see below) and are enthusiastic about providing a service to thousands of SIGCHI members and visitors to the SIGCHI site, please send email to the interim Information Director infodir_sigchi@acm.org Table of Contents + Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director + Desirable Skills + Outstanding Issues Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director General Responsibilities (per ACM) Each ACM forum and information service is managed by an appropriate Information Director. Maintaining accurate data in a forum or information base is the responsibility of the Information Director. An Information Director is also responsible for collaborating with the ACM-NS Information Project leaders, and other Information Directors, to develop new and appropriate forums and information services. In addition, an Information Director may act as a liaison between his/her constituency and the ACM-NS. (ACM-NS Information Project Leaders should now be the ECCC (Electronic Community Coordinating Committee) Vice Chair for Information Services.) Web Administration: WebKeeper The SIGCHI web site has been moved to a UNIX server (turing.acm.org) and is ready for regular maintenance (updates and additions). This will be done by the SIGCHI information director and ACM staff. Maintenance will include adding new information, updating old information, and in general, keeping the site informative and useful. Mailing List Administration For many years, the SIGCHI mailing lists have been at Xerox PARC (e.g., announcements.chi@xerox.com). This has required considerable work on the part of Nick Briggs and Don Patterson. Additionally, some lists have been managed elsewhere (e.g., the educators.chi and ii.chi lists). In mid-1995, the ii.chi list moved to ACM.ORG, and other lists are destined to follow, but no decisions have been made. This is an area where a lot of initiative might be needed. The SIGCHI mailing lists are described in the SIGCHI Bulletin. Future Responsibilities The 1995-97 SIGCHI EC is interested in making ACM SIGCHI the center of its members' HCI focus, in part by providing useful online information. The SIGCHI information director will aid in the installation of the following information resources: o member directory o consultants directory o job bank o standards resource o tools resource (e.g., something like PIGUI) More Information More information can be found at the ACM pages for information directors: http://www.acm.org/infodir/. Additionally, the following people are important contacts: o Scooter Morris (scooter@acm.org), the previous SIGCHI Information Director o Gary Perlman (perlman.chi@xerox.com), the current SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications o Michael Clore (clore@acm.org), the current ACM Network Information Manager Desirable Skills + UNIX: The SIGCHI Web server is a DEC Ultrix machine. Knowing a UNIX editor (vi and emacs are on the ACM machine) will make modifying Web pages much easier. + Internet: Having easy telnet access to the ACM server and knowing how to transfer files will be critical for maintaining the SIGCHI Web site. + HTML: The SIGCHI Web pages are written in HTML. Some knowledge of forms and CGI scripting might be useful in the future if we decide to use a Web interface to information. Having some knowledge of HTML validation will make life easier for the many users of the site. o http://www.unipress.com/weblint/ o http://www.halsoft.com/html-val-svc/ o http://www.khoros.unm.edu/staff/neilb/weblint/validation.html Outstanding Issues + How are Changes to the Web Pages Requested? + How are Changes Approved? From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Nov 16 12:47:17 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA28764; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:47:16 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id MAA00796; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:47:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161747.MAA00796@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: SIGCHI WWW site, Information Director page To: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:47:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman), raghavan@cis.ohio-state.edu (Srinivas Raghavan) In-Reply-To: from "BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com" at Nov 16, 95 12:01:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 987 Status: RO > Wow - I'm really impressed with what a great job you're doing. > I'll try not to let it make me feel too guilty about not doing > more, myself ;-) One idea that might make sense is to coordinate our task lists in some way with the web site, possibly with a "secret" page (i.e., unadvertised, or possibly even password-protected). I bet everyone is saving your minutes and trying to track all the topics across them. I have a student who might be willing to do some work on trying to capture this information in a way that makes it more useful to everyone. Srinivas Raghavan may be doing his dissertation in this area. As time goes by, I see the topics from the summer face-to-face fading away, becoming less and less represented in our discussions and minutes. There has got to be a way to maintain this without it becoming a burden of record-keeping. I am reminded of the huge efforts that people have put into capturing design rationale. Do you have any ideas on this? Gary From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Nov 16 12:57:01 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA29276; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:56:59 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id MAA01220; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:57:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161757.MAA01220@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: contributed software To: mdm@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:57:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, raghavan@cis.ohio-state.edu (Srinivas Raghavan), doug@cis.ohio-state.edu (Doug Kerr) In-Reply-To: <199511161723.MAA22422@zumble.cis.ohio-state.edu> from "Michael Moore" at Nov 16, 95 12:23:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1532 Status: O > In a previous message, Gary Perlman wrote: > > > > Sure. I added the Office Use section to the form. > > I suggest an index.html file to access the html-files, > > and the two text files. If you like, I can make that. > > I've moved your files into the main web directory and > added credits and some cosmetic changes, as well as an index. > The contrib stuff is found under the "Departmental Issues" > section of the home page for now ... as the web gets overhauled > yet again I am sure a better place to put it will emerge. > > Thanks again for taking the time to do the conversion. > Much appreciated. The installation at http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/contrib/ looks good. I think that it would be a good policy to use HTML as the default document formatting language for all departmental documentation, with plain text being a second choice if that is the native format. I feel strongly that proprietary formats like LaTeX and Frame make information much less accessible, with small if any improvements in the quality of the documents. The conversion from Frame to HTML took about 15 minutes per document, but it would have taken no time if the documents had been in HTML from the start, and it would have taken less time if the documents had been plain text from the start. Unfortunately, I missed the Computer Committee meeting yesterday because I had to do more preparation for class than I expected, so I am cc'ing this note to the CC chair and the likely future CIS WWW maintainer for their information. Gary From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Nov 16 13:35:07 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA02236; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:35:06 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id NAA05311; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:35:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199511161835.NAA05311@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: Bulletin Pages To: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: <9511161119.ZM5261@sijs.cwi.nl> from "Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl" at Nov 16, 95 11:19:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2209 Status: O > Is www.acm.org now the official name? I thought it was just an alternative for > the official name info.acm.org. I am not sure if it official, but it is what ACM is now using. It is certainly the WWW defacto standard. > I now refer to the SIGCHI Officers' page, not my own. Now that's real progress: less information to wade through. > I fixed the email list html. Good. It looks fine from here. > I quite agree that there should be a local SIGs page. All the information I had > on officers and local SIGs was just taken from the inside front covers of the > Bulletin, where it is anyway, in the absence of any other source. If you want > to take over the local SIGs page by using my page, please do! I just gathered together a list of other ACM SIGs that are related to SIGCHI and placed them in related.html (not yet linked in). Maybe there should be a SIGs page for "Local SIGCHI and Related SIGs". I am not sure how to coordinate the local SIG email addresses with information about who to contact and with those with home pages. Is there a way to put all that information in one place and generate the Bulletin inside cover and a page from it? > By the way, you don't have to ask people to change their links! The address > that info.sigchi.acm.org can be changed to point to the new place. That's the > value of redirection! info.acm.org, www.acm.org and www.sigchi.acm.org all > point to turing now; just ask mac to point info.sigchi.acm.org there too, and > it will be done! I made sure that the redirection was in there before makign the change. Because of the redirection, I did not feel a need to ask anyone about the change. info.sigchi.acm.org points to www.acm.org, so .../sigchi points to the new page (i.e., http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi points to the right place). > Also by the way, can you please put HEIGHT= WIDTH= lines around all the images. > Loading time from acm is very slow over here, and it takes for ever to load the > SIGCHI page, but if you put the sizes in the images, at least you get to see > the text while the images are loading. Thanks! Another good idea. It's done. > Best wishes, > > Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl > From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Nov 15 16:34:58 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA26867; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:57 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id QAA15007; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:34:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199511152134.QAA15007@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: pemberton.chi@xerox.com Subject: Bulletin Pages Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO The new SIGCHI pages have been installed at www.acm.org. I went into the Bulletin area and noticed that those pages are out of date. In index.html: http://info.acm.org --> http://www.acm.org http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi --> http://www.acm.org/sigchi The officers page at: http://www.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/officers.html has not been updated since the election. The email list at: http://www.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/1994.2/email.html has been updated, but the HTML dies at: Existing Local SIGs: Atlanta-SIGCHI, Austin-SIGCHI, BayCHI-info (San Francisco Bay Area), BayCHI-STR (Steering Committee), CHIFOO (Portland, Oregon), Dallas/Ft_Worth-SIGCHI, GBSIGCHI (Greater Boston), LACHI (Los Angeles), NUCHI (Northern Utah SIGCHI), Ottawa-SIGCHI, PugetSound-SIGCHI, ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:12:32 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24794; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:12:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 22 Nov 1995 11:09:23 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Direc To: "Information Director" , "Gary Perlman" Cc: "Carrie Rudman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>SIGCHI Information Director Job Open Hi, I would like to be considered for this position! I have considerable experience with HTML, cgi scripting (in C, but I am learning PERL too), HTML validation services, and Web site design and maintainence. I am familiar with UNIX and I use emacs to author Web pages here (even though I have just completed a survey of WYSIWYG HTML authoring tools). I have worked on several innovative Web-based tools and sites here at U S WEST. I have three prototype tools for authoring and indexing Web pages in use externally at a school site. I expect to learn JAVA in the next few months and will soon be familiar with the inclusion of "applets" in Web documents. Our group is conducting research on Web site design, construction, maintainence, updating, and other innovative tools--so I think about this stuff every day as part of my work. I have talked to my director, Carrie Rudman, about this and she feels that this would be a useful experience for me. In addition to supporting the current needs of SIGCHI, as you've listed on the description, I would be very interested in using the site for innovative purposes. It should be a model of cutting-edge Web technology. I would want to work out a procedure with the SIGCHI EC for trying out new ideas. In several instances, and especially as CHI '95 co-chair, I have worked closely with ACM and the SIGCHI EC. I would look forward to working on this with them as it evolves in the next couple of years. I have worked in many capacities with the CHI conferences, but I have not yet contributed to the field at the level of the organization. Thanks for considering me. Please feel free to contact me with any questions. -Scott Robertson -U S WEST Advanced Technologies -4001 Discovery Dr. -Boulder, CO 80303 USA -303-541-7028 -------------------------------------- Date: 11/20/1995 11:49 PM To: Scott Robertson From: Gary Perlman Document URL: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir.html ACM SIGCHI Information Director Job Description The ACM SIGCHI Information Director manages the information at the SIGCHI Web site. The position is currently open. If you feel that you are qualified for the position (see below) and are enthusiastic about providing a service to thousands of SIGCHI members and visitors to the SIGCHI site, please send email to the interim Information Director infodir_sigchi@acm.org Table of Contents + Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director + Desirable Skills + Benefits for the Information Director Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director General Responsibilities (per ACM) Each ACM forum and information service is managed by an appropriate Information Director. Maintaining accurate data in a forum or information base is the responsibility of the Information Director. An Information Director is also responsible for collaborating with the ACM-NS (Network Service) Information Project leaders, and other Information Directors, to develop new and appropriate forums and information services. In addition, an Information Director may act as a liaison between his/her constituency and the ACM-NS. (ACM-NS Information Project Leaders should now be the ECCC (Electronic Community Coordinating Committee) Vice Chair for Information Services.) Web Administration: WebKeeper The SIGCHI web site has been moved to a UNIX server (turing.acm.org) and is ready for regular maintenance (updates and additions). This will be done by the SIGCHI Information Director and ACM staff. Maintenance will include adding new information, updating old information, and in general, keeping the site informative and useful. Mailing List Administration For many years, the SIGCHI mailing lists have been at Xerox PARC (e.g., announcements.chi@xerox.com). This has required considerable work on the part of Nick Briggs and Don Patterson. Additionally, some lists have been managed elsewhere (e.g., the educators.chi and ii.chi lists). In mid-1995, the ii.chi list moved to ACM.ORG, and other lists are destined to follow, but no decisions have been made. We would not want to give up the convenience of some aspects of the Xerox service, such as the user.chi@xerox.com mail forwarding which makes it easy to send mail to CHI people. This is an area where a lot of initiative might be needed. The SIGCHI mailing lists are described in the SIGCHI Bulletin. Future Responsibilities The 1995-97 SIGCHI EC is interested in making ACM SIGCHI the center of its members' HCI focus, in part by providing useful online information. The SIGCHI Information Director will aid in the installation of the following information resources: o member directory o consultants directory o job bank o standards resource o tools resource (e.g., something like PIGUI, the FAQ on Platform Independent Graphical User Interfaces) More Information More information can be found at the ACM pages for Information Directors: http://www.acm.org/infodir/. Additionally, the following people are important contacts: o Scooter Morris (scooter@acm.org), the previous SIGCHI Information Director o Gary Perlman (perlman.chi@xerox.com), the current SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications (the SIGCHI information director reports to the SIGCHI executive committee through the VC-Pubs) o Michael Clore (clore@acm.org), the current ACM Network Information Manager (the ACM NIM is the person who manages the ACM Web server) Desirable Skills + Internet: Having easy telnet access to the ACM server and knowing how to transfer files will be critical for maintaining the SIGCHI Web site. + UNIX: The SIGCHI Web server is a DEC Ultrix machine. Knowing a UNIX editor (vi and emacs are on the ACM machine) will make modifying Web pages much easier. The news SIGCHI pages are under RCS revision control, so having some knowledge of RCS would be useful. + HTML: The SIGCHI Web pages are written in HTML. Good knowledge of forms and CGI scripting will be necessary to make use of Web interfaces to information. Having knowledge of HTML validation will make life easier for the many users of the site. Here are some HTML validation links: o http://www.unipress.com/weblint/ o http://www.halsoft.com/html-val-svc/ o http://www.khoros.unm.edu/staff/neilb/weblint/validation.html Benefits for the Information Director + A computer account on turing.acm.org. + No financial benefits; this is a volunteer position. + The gratitude of many SIGCHI members. + A SIGCHI ribbon you can wear proudly at SIGCHI conferences. + It's fun, if you are an information junkie. ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by atqm.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP;20 Nov 1995 23:47:55 -0700 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA09511; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA29228; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:46:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from Cipher.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14546(1)>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:11:02 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15621(1)>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:03:34 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA07119 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:03:31 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id AAA26694 for announcements.chi@xerox.com; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 00:03:30 -0500 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C121EA Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:03:30 PST Sender: perlman@news.cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: SIGCHI Information Director Job Open To: announcements.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <199511210503.AAA26694@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> From cospg@dgate.lut.ac.uk Wed Nov 22 20:39:20 1995 Received: from mailhost.lut.ac.uk (pp@mailhost.lut.ac.uk [131.231.16.7]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA20650 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:39:10 -0500 Received: (from cospg@localhost) by dgate.lut.ac.uk (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA06672 for perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:38:20 GMT From: Steve Guest Message-Id: <199511230138.BAA06672@dgate.lut.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Director Job Open To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:38:19 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <199511210503.AAA26694@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> from "Gary Perlman" at Nov 20, 95 09:03:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Hi Well I would like to say that I am interested in this job. I have been pushed quite hard by others to follow this up. My one concern is your timescale. Have had a quick exchange with Scooter to discover why he is leaving but not really the impact of this role. But I think I know that already. My heavy commitment to CHI 96 is clear and now ramped up even more for the next 4-5 months. Not sure when Scooter really wants to vacate the role. I have taken the CHI 96 stuff from him with Keith as my right hand man. Currently I am on long term sick, but normally I have all the access you require from my desk - as would all academics. Concerns are - I'm in the UK, I am heavy into CHI 96 now, I know of no future CHI roles for me (but live in hope) and really don't know if the time constraints are a real issue for me. On a positive note - if Steven Pemberton can manage what he is (and I think he is surviving!) then I don't see why I can't either. Then again I expect there is someone in Bowling Green who also fits the bill here. What actually do you need from me if you would like to consider me further? Steve -- Steve Guest - CHI 96 Technology Support Chair Dept. Of Computer Studies, University of Technology, Loughborough, Leicestershire LE11 3TU Tel: +44 (0)1509 222692 Fax: +44 (0)1509 211586 or 610815 E-Mail address: S.P.Guest@lut.ac.uk From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Mon Nov 27 11:20:49 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA18307; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:20:47 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id LAA06292; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:18:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199511271618.LAA06292@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Direc To: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:18:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Robertson" at Nov 22, 95 11:09:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2953 Status: O > Reply to: RE>SIGCHI Information Director Job Open > > I would like to be considered for this position! Are you sure? Y/N Your sound great for the position. We have two other offers, but they are clearly too busy and I consider it a personal favor to them to say no. And given that you are doing these sorts of things anyway, and that you have management support, my eyes are tearing up. As you can imagine, the job is a real stream of consciousness sort of thing for many tasks like updating pages. I have aliases for getting on to turing.acm.org and getting to to SIGCHI directory so that I can change a page in less than a minte. I have found that I do that a couple of times a week (now that the update of all the pages has been finished). I have tried to gather the information for the mechanical stuff, but any creative input would be your own. I think you would have a lot of flexibility because in my stint as interim information director, I tried to get input from the EC about what changes were needed/acceptable. Basically, people were really happy to see the broken HTML go away. I would hazard a guess that any reorganization would be accepted, and any presentation or search ideas would be welcome. So, if you want the job, I'll run your application by people to get their input, but I think they will be happy to see the position filled by such a great choice. > Our group is conducting research on Web site design, construction, > maintainence, updating, and other innovative tools--so I think about this > stuff every day as part of my work. I have talked to my director, Carrie > Rudman, about this and she feels that this would be a useful experience for > me. You would want to be careful about making the site a research showcase, or worse yet, a place to gather data, but innovation would certainly be welcome. > In addition to supporting the current needs of SIGCHI, as you've listed on > the description, I would be very interested in using the site for innovative > purposes. It should be a model of cutting-edge Web technology. I would want > to work out a procedure with the SIGCHI EC for trying out new ideas. I think that if you get EC support (you'll probably get little response) that you can get as innovative as you like. I would certainly like to support gathering usage information (which might even turn into a research topic for you). > In several instances, and especially as CHI '95 co-chair, I have worked > closely with ACM and the SIGCHI EC. I would look forward to working on this > with them as it evolves in the next couple of years. I have worked in many > capacities with the CHI conferences, but I have not yet contributed to the > field at the level of the organization. This is a new group, and it is a very friendly crowd. > Thanks for considering me. Please feel free to contact me with any > questions. Again: Are you sure? If so, I'll put this into motion. Gary From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Mon Nov 27 17:12:38 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA13163 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:12:34 -0500 Received: from Mercury.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15482(1)>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:08:54 PST Received: from ACM.ORG ([192.135.174.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14929(4)>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:05:13 PST Received: from "port 1289"@ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HY56MYASB4000YGP@ACM.ORG>; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:05:08 -0600 (CDT) Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu) by ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM (PMDF V5.0-3 #10219) id <01HY56MRVRGA0011UP@ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM> for infodir_sigchi@acm.org; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:05:01 -0600 (CDT) Received: by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) id RAA18296 sender instone ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:03:42 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C1CD8D Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:03:42 PST From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Subject: CHI 95 web stuff To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Message-ID: <199511272203.RAA18296@cs.bgsu.edu> Status: RO The move to turing screwed up all of the CHI 95 web stuff. VMS file names are not case sensitive, Unix are. Moving the files made the file names be all lower case, but the links were to files with uppercase characters. I just ftped over a new version of most of it and it is working again (no broken links). But I will have to finish up the PROCEEDINGS later. This may be a good time to move over some of my changes to the proceedings. But it will take me a day at least to do this. Sure wish someone would have told me this was happening!!! Keith From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Mon Nov 27 18:17:54 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA17315; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:17:53 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id SAA19892; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:15:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199511272315.SAA19892@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: CHI 95 web stuff To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:15:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: <199511272203.RAA18296@cs.bgsu.edu> from "Keith Instone" at Nov 27, 95 02:03:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 722 Status: O > The move to turing screwed up all of the > CHI 95 web stuff. VMS file names are not > case sensitive, Unix are. Moving the files > made the file names be all lower case, but > the links were to files with uppercase > characters. > > I just ftped over a new version of most of > it and it is working again (no broken links). > > But I will have to finish up the PROCEEDINGS > later. This may be a good time to move > over some of my changes to the proceedings. > But it will take me a day at least to do this. > > Sure wish someone would have told me this > was happening!!! My fault. I did not anticipate the problem. Regardless, I should have warned all the people who were in charge of the bits and pieces. Gary From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Wed Nov 29 15:53:19 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA02254 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:53:17 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA29674 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:51:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 29 Nov 1995 13:48:23 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Dire To: "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>SIGCHI Information Direc Hi Gary, >Are you sure? Y/N Y (I thought about it quite a bit because after CHI '95 I was sort of burned out and I begged off of any CHI 96 committments. However, I would like to do this and I feel that I have the time and energy at this point.) >As you can imagine, the job is a real stream of consciousness >sort of thing for many tasks like updating pages. That's a nice way of putting it. I understand that there is just a lot of maintaining. >I have aliases for getting on to turing.acm.org and getting >to to SIGCHI directory so that I can change a page in less >than a minte. I have found that I do that a couple of times a week... Two minutes a week sounds simple! >Basically, people were really happy to see the broken HTML go away. At U S WEST I always advise against broken HTML. I say to at least put some kind of "in progress" or "under construction" page at a bum link so that people don't get errors and a feeling that they are at a run down site. Of course, it happens anyway since one doesn't have control over all the links -- so vigilance is necessary. >I would hazard a guess that any reorganization would be accepted, >and any presentation or search ideas would be welcome. Great. I'm not really out to reorganize the site, but things change quickly in Web-land and I'd like to be sure that we can stay on the leading edge. I think that the Web site will get more and more use as we put more documents on it. Search tools will become useful, and other stuff too. I'll bet we have SIGCHI applets before you know it! >So, if you want the job, I'll run your application by people >to get their input, but I think they will be happy to see the >position filled by such a great choice. Thanks. >You would want to be careful about making the site a research showcase, >or worse yet, a place to gather data, but innovation would certainly be >welcome. Understood. It would not be a place to gather data in the sense of trying contrasting stuff (i.e. having more than one way to do something with the hypothesis that one is better then the other). The best idea for how to do something is what should go on to a real site like this--and I think data just kind of comes in. Chances are there are plenty of comments on aspects of the Web site. Anyway, the primary goal is to have an excellent site that serves SIGCHI. >I think that if you get EC support (you'll probably get little response) >that you can get as innovative as you like. I would certainly like >to support gathering usage information (which might even turn into >a research topic for you). Sounds good. >Again: Are you sure? If so, I'll put this into motion. Y -Scott From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Nov 29 16:56:41 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA05999; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:56:41 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id QAA26048; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:54:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199511292154.QAA26048@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: S.P.Guest@lut.ac.uk, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Director Job Open Status: O >Well I would like to say that I am interested in this job. I have been >pushed quite hard by others to follow this up. My one concern is your >timescale. Have had a quick exchange with Scooter to discover why he >is leaving but not really the impact of this role. But I think I know >that already. > >My heavy commitment to CHI 96 is clear and now ramped up even more for >the next 4-5 months. Not sure when Scooter really wants to vacate the >role. I have taken the CHI 96 stuff from him with Keith as my right >hand man. Currently I am on long term sick, but normally I have all >the access you require from my desk - as would all academics. > >Concerns are - I'm in the UK, I am heavy into CHI 96 now, I know of no >future CHI roles for me (but live in hope) and really don't know if >the time constraints are a real issue for me. On a positive note - if >Steven Pemberton can manage what he is (and I think he is surviving!) >then I don't see why I can't either. > >Then again I expect there is someone in Bowling Green who also fits >the bill here. > >What actually do you need from me if you would like to consider me >further? I think you would be great for the position. I do not think that the UK location is an issue at all, but I do think that the time frame issue is. Since you have heavy commitments now (and for a while), I think that we need someone ASAP. I don't know if it was clear from conversations with Scooter, but the position has been vacant for a while, with some web mending needed for many months, and I ended up taking over as "interim" Information Director. Given your current obligations, I think it would be best to place the job in someone else's hands, so I have chosen to assign the position to Scott Robertson. He might be interested in getting help later on, or maybe in involving people in various initiatives (maybe ones coming from other people, such as yourself). His email is: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com I am going to work on creating a mailing list for people like you, me, Keith, Stephen, and so one, of people who are interesting in information initiatives, so that there can be more interaction and involvement of people, not just the designated Information Director. I mean, the Information Director is not the only person who can make contributions (as you well know). Thanks ever so much for volunteering (especially since I was the interim Information Director). Gary From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Nov 29 17:07:19 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA06669; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:06:50 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id RAA26665; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:04:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199511292204.RAA26665@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Dire To: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:04:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, atwood.chi@xerox.com, boy.chi@xerox.com, clore@acm.org, pemberton.chi@xerox.com In-Reply-To: from "Scott Robertson" at Nov 29, 95 01:48:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1541 Status: O > Reply to: RE>>SIGCHI Information Direc > > Hi Gary, > > >Are you sure? Y/N > > Y We have a new (non-interim!) Information Director for SIGCHI. Scott Robertson scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com or possibly robertson.chi@xerox.com Scott, could you please supply your information to Diane Darrow (darrow@ny.hq.acm.org) and Michael Clore (clore@acm.org) to get you set up. Beyond the above name and email, I am not sure what Diane might need, but you can work that out with her. Scott and I can work out details of transferring files (really, file permissions) and possible to-do lists when he gets his login. His first job will be to insert his name and address into the officers page. I'll assume that soon after Scott gets his account that the infodir_sigchi alias will change to point to him. The main Information Director problem right now is that, due to the change in server from VMS (non-case-sensitive file names) to UNIX (case-sensitive), many links to the CHI'95 proceedings have broken. Keith Instone is working on it, occasionally grumbling to me that he would have liked to have been given advanced notice of the server switch, but the interim Information Director had limited anticipating capabilities there. I wonder if the Bulletin links broke too? Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Nov 30 21:56:44 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA09588; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:56:43 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id VAA03449; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:56:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:56:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199512010256.VAA03449@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: Some notes for the New ID Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: O Welcome to another source of junk mail. With the new pages, I have recently found that people send a message or two to infodir_sigchi@acm.org because it is the address on the SIGCHI pages. If I could think of the answer or knew who could answer a question, I passed it on. I guess that if I did not have an answer, I could have sent it to eec.chi@xerox.com and asked if anyone had any ideas. The SIGCHI pages are in: /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi The home page is homepage.html. Tell me if you need me to fix any file permissions on the HTML files in the main or the RCS directory. I have dumped my thoughts on the pages to: pagestd.html Reading it will make it easier to understand what's there. Feel free to ignore it or to follow up with me on any of the topics. I think there are some useful ideas there, but nothing groundbreaking. I made an orphan page on SIGs, both local SIGCHI and related SIGs. sigs.html I never decided what to do with it, but if it gets used, the local SIG info on the homepage should be removed. I think you should consider making the homepage a smaller directory, say, a table of contents leading to other pages. Related to major change, you might consider having a working directory and a released directory to avoid confusion as you make changes and to allow people to try out new ideas in progress. Several people on EEE.CHI will try things and make suggestions. Finally, I'd like to make a mailing list of people interested in SIGCHI Information. Its main purpose would be to draw on the expertise that is out there without creating an official entity such as a working group or committee. It might be an open list or by invitation. We might use it to coordinate SIGCHI information activities (e.g., Bulletin, Homepage, CHI Proceedings) and even to recruit volunteers for specific projects (the member directory, if that ever happens). What do you think? No rush here. Gary From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Mon Dec 4 12:23:40 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA25778 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:23:38 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA17472 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:23:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 4 Dec 1995 10:22:14 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: Some notes for the New I To: "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>Some notes for the New ID Gary, >The SIGCHI pages are in: > /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi >The home page is homepage.html. >Tell me if you need me to fix any file permissions >on the HTML files in the main or the RCS directory. I didn't have any trouble viewing any files in either the sigchi directory or the RCS directory. I tried a test edit on homepage.html and it went fine (I didn't save it). I'll let you know if something comes up. Can you telll me about RCS? As I said when I applied, this is not something I am familiar with (except in a general way, i.e. I know what it is but I don't know how to use it). >#002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002#I have dumped my thoughts on the pages to: > pagestd.html >Reading it will make it easier to understand what's there. >Feel free to ignore it or to follow up with me on any of the topics. >I think there are some useful ideas there, but nothing groundbreaking. Thanks for the notes. They will be very helpful. >I made an orphan page on SIGs, both local SIGCHI and related SIGs. > sigs.html >I never decided what to do with it, but if it gets used, >the local SIG info on the homepage should be removed. I'll take a look. It sounds like a good idea. >I think you should consider making the homepage a smaller >directory, say, a table of contents leading to other pages. I agree 100%. In general I prefer many small pages over a long page. I think the SIGCHI page is far too long and too varied. >Related to major change, you might consider having a working >directory and a released directory to avoid confusion as you >make changes and to allow people to try out new ideas in progress. >Several people on EEE.CHI will try things and make suggestions. Yes. This also means that a set of "in progress" pages is never public. >Finally, I'd like to make a mailing list of people interested >in SIGCHI Information. Its main purpose would be to draw on >the expertise that is out there without creating an official >entity such as a working group or committee. It might be >an open list or by invitation. We might use it to coordinate >SIGCHI information activities (e.g., Bulletin, Homepage, >CHI Proceedings) and even to recruit volunteers for specific >projects (the member directory, if that ever happens). >What do you think? No rush here. Good idea. And speaking of mailing lists, I'd like to put the mailing list descriptions and how to subscribe/unsubscribe in a more obvious place. I'll crawl around the site for a little while and then start on making the homepage into a set of smaller, more focused pages. I'll do it in a separate directory and get feedback from whoever is interested. However, I'll wait till we talk about RCS before changing anything. Thanks for the help, -Scott From EDWARDS@po3.bb.unisys.com Mon Dec 4 13:58:49 1995 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA01486 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:58:45 -0500 Received: from Gabriel.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16294(5)>; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:56:33 PST Received: from bbmail1.unisys.com ([192.63.200.5]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15085(3)>; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:52:28 PST Received: from x500dir.bb.unisys.com (x500dir.bb.unisys.com [192.63.146.10]) by bbmail1.unisys.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA16949; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:54:40 GMT Received: from it.bb.unisys.com by x500dir.bb.unisys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11150; Mon, 4 Dec 95 19:00:35 GMT Received: by it.bb.unisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <30C36D7A@it.bb.unisys.com>; Mon, 04 Dec 95 13:51:54 PST Encoding: 85 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C2BA30 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:53:00 PST From: "Edwards, Alan S BB" Subject: FW: CHI97/mailing lists To: "'Robertson, Scott CHI'" cc: "'Perlman, Gary'" , "Pemberton, Steven CHI" Message-ID: <30C36D7A@it.bb.unisys.com> Status: RO Scott I am sending this to you as I understand that you are now the information director for SigCHI I assume that the address I used is not the correct one. info_dir@acm.org Alan Edwards aedwards@acm.org ---------- From: Mailer-Daemon To: EDWARDS Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: 4 Dec 95 6:42PM Return-Path: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:42:25 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199512041842.SAA15905@bbmail1.unisys.com> To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SAA15905.818102545/bbmail1.unisys.com" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a MIME-encapsulated message --SAA15905.818102545/bbmail1.unisys.com The original message was received at Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:35:55 GMT from x500dir.bb.unisys.com [192.63.146.10] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to pascal.acm.org.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 553 unknown or illegal user: info_dir@ACM.ORG 550 ... User unknown ... Deferred: Connection timed out during initial connection with hera.cwi.nl. ----- Original message follows ----- --SAA15905.818102545/bbmail1.unisys.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: EDWARDS@po3.bb.unisys.com Received: from x500dir.bb.unisys.com (x500dir.bb.unisys.com [192.63.146.10]) by bbmail1.unisys.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA15904; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:35:55 GMT Received: from it.bb.unisys.com by x500dir.bb.unisys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10474; Mon, 4 Dec 95 18:41:50 GMT Received: by it.bb.unisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <30C36915@it.bb.unisys.com>; Mon, 04 Dec 95 13:33:09 PST From: "Edwards, Alan S BB" To: CHI information director Cc: "Pemberton, Steven CHI" Subject: CHI97/mailing lists Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 13:34:00 PST Message-Id: <30C36915@it.bb.unisys.com> Encoding: 13 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hi Steven Pemberton and I are the general co-chairs for CHI97. Could you send us a list of the forwarding list names (not the persons) for 95 & 96 so we can start providing you the information to create the ones for 97 Thanks Alan Edwards aedwards@acm.org --SAA15905.818102545/bbmail1.unisys.com-- From clore@ACM.ORG Thu Nov 30 11:25:54 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA27440 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:25:52 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1202"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HY91MRBMY8003HWL@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:25:40 -0600 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:27:25 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Dire X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Scott Robertson , Gary Perlman Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, boy.chi@xerox.com, clore@ACM.ORG, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, pemberton.chi@xerox.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, barish@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Scott, thanks for taking the SIGCHI Information Director position. I have created an account for you on turing.acm.org (www.acm.org). The username is "scottrob", and it is a member of the sigchi group. Under the home directory is a link named "sigchi" in which the public SIGCHI files reside. More information can be found at http://www.acm.org/infodir/. The e-email alias infodir_sigchi has been updated to scottrob@advtech.uswest.com, so you will now start receiving any messages posted to a couple different distribution lists for the ACM Information Directors (infodirs@acm.org, infodirs_sig@acm.org, and infopros@acm.org). I'll send the password to your account in another message. As soon as you have a chance, please log in and change it. Let me know if you have any questions etc. Regards, Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Thu Nov 30 13:14:47 1995 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA06328 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:14:45 -0500 Received: by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) id NAA07144 sender instone ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:14:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:14:17 -0500 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Message-Id: <199511301814.NAA07144@cs.bgsu.edu> To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, maier@watson.ibm.com Subject: CHI 95 web proceedings Status: RO Since I had to re-download the CHI 95 web proceedings, I decided to work on some of the changes that I started on over the summer. Those changes involved a lot of content fixes: missing html tags, incorrect pointers to images, and the like. The content of the papers should all be pretty complete now. I also started a major redesign of the user interface. I have not finished all of that yet. But what I have is still usable. I have the new version online here on my server. If it passes your approval, then I will make it the next offical version this week. If it does not meet with your approval, let me know what else needs to get done. Right now there is NOTHING on acm.org, so at some point we have to say that somethign is better than nothing. See http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/newchi96proc/documnts/top.html Keith From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Wed Nov 29 17:42:40 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA09272 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:42:37 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA08065; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:40:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 29 Nov 1995 15:37:40 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Dire To: "Gary Perlman" Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, boy.chi@xerox.com, clore@acm.org, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, pemberton.chi@xerox.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>SIGCHI Information Dire Gary (et al!), I'm happy to be on board in this capacity. Here's my stuff: Scott Robertson U S WEST Advanced Technologies 4001 Discovery Dr. Boulder, CO 80303 USA Tel: +1 303 541 7028 Fax: +1 303 541 8182 E-mail: scottrob@advtech.uswest.com (note that for my email you don't need the "atqm" part that gets stuck onto my return address right now.) #002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002##002#-Scott From clore@ACM.ORG Wed Nov 29 11:53:37 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA17422 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:53:34 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1906"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HY7O9MBPQ8002HBM@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:51:30 -0600 (CDT) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:53:14 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: Web counters on turing X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Gary Perlman Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Gary. Sorry I didn't get a chance to reply sooner. >Is there any easy way set up on turing to count the number >of access to pages? E.g., so that it says "You are user >number xxxx to visit this page since mm/dd/yy" >I am looking for something that will insert plain text, >and be a slight extra load (i.e., no generated embossed gif). Yes, using Server-Side Includes. I haven't documented it yet. So, here's how to add set-up a document with a counter: - Create a file with the same name plus the suffix ".cnt" in the same directory. The contents of that file should be the initial count. For example, say you want to add a counter to homepage.html, create a file named homepage.html.cnt with one line that reads "0" - Change the group on the count file to be "WWW", and give the group write access to the file. - Inside the document add the following line where you want the count to appear: Test it using http://www.acm.org:82/sigs/sigchi/whatever.html If it works, send me a message, I'll quickly configure things so that http://www.acm.org/sigschi/whatever.html will show the counter. >Along that line, is there an easy way to gather stats on >accesses to the CHI '95 proceedings web pages? >The obvious information is number of hits per page >from where the hits are coming, and possibly when. >I think we might want to use something like that for >some analysis of several online offerings we are working on. > >Obviously, I'd like to use something that is quasi-supported >on turing rather than set up our own. I hope to put a nice automated system in place, but haven't had a chance yet. There are two stat programs available globally on turing: wwwstat and wusage. I have links to the documentation for these tools at http://www.acm.org/infodir/iiss/toolbox.html The logs are available under /usr/local/www/logs/raw/cern80. Logs of hits before August are on the old (VMS) server. I can copy them over sometime. You'll probably want to use wwwstat. With that program, you can limit which hits are included by specifying a perl expression. With wusage, you have to use grep, or some such tool, to limit the stats to whatever set of pages you're interested in. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Dec 5 15:14:55 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA17213; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:14:53 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id PAA26747; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:14:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199512052014.PAA26747@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: hci bib at acm Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: O I have a project in mind for acm.org/sigchi: moving the HCI Bibliography and HCI-related files at OSU (e.g., the SIGCHI Curriculum Development Group Report) to acm.org. This has been on a back burner for over a year now. Some tasks that I expect: * choosing a format for the files (HTML I expect) * providing a search engine I can export the HCI Bibliography files in any format, and I'd be willing to convert the CDG report to HTML, so the big issue is the search engine, which perhaps you might supply or figure out if Michael Clore has already set something up (there must be some public domain stuff). Ideally, it would be some software that could be periodically rerun as new material is added/changed. One motivation for me to do this now is that the Graz HCIBIB site (that's where they are distributing the bibliography without permission from the copyright holders) has a nice search facility which people have liked a lot, but some links to their site have broken -- I've been getting complaints that the OSU server is down when in fact it is their link to Graz that is broken. I'd like to make the HCI Bibliography more accessible and searchable, and get it off OSU machines where we have poor support at best. A related issue, one that will come up in the future, is the issue of creating mirror sites, the first probably being in Europe, for acm.org or possibly just acm.org/sigchi. Steven Pemberton is probably the best person in SIGCHI to include in discussions on this topic. Is this something that you'd be interested in working on? I'd like to have something finished by CHI'96. Gary From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Tue Dec 5 16:51:58 1995 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA21980 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:51:57 -0500 Received: by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) id QAA10318 sender instone ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:51:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:51:48 -0500 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Message-Id: <199512052151.QAA10318@cs.bgsu.edu> To: maier@watson.ibm.com Subject: Re: New CHI '95 Web Proceedings Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO >1) Buttons: The "Cover" button of course does not point to the > original home page. Presumably you could replace the original > page with the new "top.html" via global replace. Yes, that needs to be fixed. > The button label would also be easy to fix, since it's a single > GIF. But this is minor and it's on your "TODO" list anyway. > >2) No more front and back matter pages. > I don't necessarily have a problem elminating all but the > content of the proceedings, but this may be something ACM/SIGCHI > may want to comment on. Your approach makes the Web and hardcopy > proceedings/companion different. The hardcopy is more episodic, > the Web more "semantic" > > This may be easily solvable with a link to a page that points to > all this "episodic stuff", but where the focus is, as you have > it on the technical content. That's also on my to-do list somewhere. I simply do not have the time to do it yet. A few things would need to be reformatted, but I plan on stealing 99% from the existing info. >I'll send the HTML version of the report tomorrow. I have to debug >a couple of HTML tags. Where did you plan to put it? I do not have a plan for it yet. >If you want more review I can do this, but it looks straigtforward >except for the second issue I raised above. OK, then I will put it up. I'll get to the front/back matter as soon as I can. Keith From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Dec 6 09:35:39 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA27925; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:35:39 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id JAA17805; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:35:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:35:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199512061435.JAA17805@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: clore@ACM.ORG, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: Web counters on turing Status: O >- Create a file with the same name plus the suffix ".cnt" > in the same directory. The contents of that file should > be the initial count. For example, say you > want to add a counter to homepage.html, create a file named > homepage.html.cnt with one line that reads "0" Okay. >- Change the group on the count file to be "WWW", and > give the group write access to the file. I tried this, but something went wrong: $ chgrp WWW homepage.html.cnt chgrp: homepage.html.cnt: Not owner $ ls -l *.cnt -rw-r--r-- 1 perlman sigchi 2 Dec 6 08:23 homepage.html.cnt Is it that I am not in the WWW group so I can't chgrp to WWW? >- Inside the document add the following line where you want the > count to appear: > > >Test it using > http://www.acm.org:82/sigs/sigchi/whatever.html >If it works, send me a message, I'll quickly configure >things so that http://www.acm.org/sigschi/whatever.html >will show the counter. I did a chmod of *.cnt to 666 to it is world writable and the counter worked fine with the above URL. For now, how about if we only have a counter on the homepage.html? Please send me some email when it is set up. Gary From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Tue Dec 5 16:38:49 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA21446 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:38:47 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA15939 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 5 Dec 1995 14:37:03 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: hci bib at acm To: "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>hci bib at acm Hi Gary, >I have a project in mind for acm.org/sigchi: >moving the HCI Bibliography and HCI-related files at OSU This seems like a good idea. It would put this resource into the hands of SIGCHI. One question, though: About how large is this? I'll ask Michael Clore if there are any guidelines for the acm server. > * choosing a format for the files (HTML I expect) I would think that HTML is the way to go. >the big issue is the search engine, which perhaps >you might supply or figure out if Michael Clore has already >set something up (there must be some public domain stuff). I'll ask Michael. We (U S WEST) are doing a lot of work on search engines. I'll ask around about what's available. >I'd like to make the HCI Bibliography more accessible and searchable, >and get it off OSU machines where we have poor support at best. Yea, it's a very valuable resource and it seems that acm/sigchi should host it. >A related issue, one that will come up in the future, is the >issue of creating mirror sites, the first probably being in Europe, >for acm.org or possibly just acm.org/sigchi. Steven Pemberton >is probably the best person in SIGCHI to include in discussions >on this topic. I would think that acm should have a mirror site in Europe and in Asia. If it's at the level of sigchi, Steven is a good bet and so is Gerrit van der Veer. Do we have any usage statistics on the sigchi site? >Is this something that you'd be interested in working on? Sure. Let's come up with a plan for what needs to happen and a sort-of schedule. It seems like the first steps are to talk to Michael Clore and to ask around here about search engines. -Scott From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Dec 6 10:37:25 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA01101; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:37:20 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id KAA18579; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:37:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199512061537.KAA18579@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: hci bib at acm To: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:37:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Robertson" at Dec 5, 95 02:37:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3297 Status: O > >I have a project in mind for acm.org/sigchi: > >moving the HCI Bibliography and HCI-related files at OSU > > This seems like a good idea. It would put this resource > into the hands of SIGCHI. One question, though: About > how large is this? I'll ask Michael Clore if there are > any guidelines for the acm server. The HCI Bibliography is under 15 megs. Other resources are about a meg each. > > * choosing a format for the files (HTML I expect) > > I would think that HTML is the way to go. The new lingua franca. > >the big issue is the search engine, which perhaps > >you might supply or figure out if Michael Clore has already > >set something up (there must be some public domain stuff). > > I'll ask Michael. We (U S WEST) are doing a lot of work on > search engines. I'll ask around about what's available. I think this is a general infodir issue and should be addressed by all the information directors and the ACM server people for all the sigs instead of just sigchi. That way, there should be less effort overall in the long run. Of course, if there is nothing in place, I would not mind blazing a trail. > >I'd like to make the HCI Bibliography more accessible and searchable, > >and get it off OSU machines where we have poor support at best. > > Yea, it's a very valuable resource and it seems that acm/sigchi > should host it. Some history: SIGCHI has funded the project at various stages: * $10K to fund a student for a year to help organize things * $400 to buy a scanner It is not a SIGCHI project, however, and funding has come from other places. We should be careful about possible conflicts of interest (I guess that's the royal We). The other materials are from a variety of sources, some SIGCHI, some from other areas. I'm going to make a list and discuss it with the EC. One priority of the EC is for SIGCHI (probably mainly via the Web server) to be the focal point of members' HCI needs. Related to the whole issue above is access to SIGCHI files via the listserv at ACM (majordomo). I think it would be easy to automatically generate indexes and provide email access to all or most SIGCHI information. > >A related issue, one that will come up in the future, is the > >issue of creating mirror sites, the first probably being in Europe, > >for acm.org or possibly just acm.org/sigchi. Steven Pemberton > >is probably the best person in SIGCHI to include in discussions > >on this topic. > > I would think that acm should have a mirror site in Europe and > in Asia. If it's at the level of sigchi, Steven is a good bet and > so is Gerrit van der Veer. Do we have any usage statistics > on the sigchi site? I did some digging, and added some information to the tools section of pagestd.html on counters and usage stats. (I added an access counter to the SIGCHI homepage.) I guess it would make sense to grep the usage files and look for different domains (e.g., .uk, .nl, ...) to evaluate the Euro-hits and others. > >Is this something that you'd be interested in working on? > > Sure. Let's come up with a plan for what needs to happen and > a sort-of schedule. It seems like the first steps are to talk to > Michael Clore and to ask around here about search engines. Clore is available on and off, but eventually, he responds. Gary From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Thu Dec 7 19:33:02 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA13903 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:32:59 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA13379; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:31:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 7 Dec 1995 17:30:19 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: CHI 95 Proceedings link on To: "Keith Instone" Cc: "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO REGARDING CHI 95 Proceedings link on the homepage Keith, I've gotten a couple of pings lately for the broken CHI '95 Proceedings link, which was returning an error. So, I just put a new link on the SIGCHI homepage to a temporary file that explains that the Proceedings are being reorganized. Let me know when they are OK. Thanks, -Scott P.S. I'll be gone from next Sunday-Thursday, in case something comes up about the SIGCHI pages. From clore@ACM.ORG Fri Dec 8 11:30:11 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA22768 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:30:09 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1314"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HYK84R2CZ400A0Y6@ACM.ORG>; Fri, 08 Dec 1995 10:29:45 -0600 (CDT) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 09:31:41 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: info.sigchi redirect X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO I have an idea about how we might go about solving the missing ending slash redirect problem that many URLs will have (including http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/chi96). Add a base tag (). That will make the server config easier to manage, and no one have to wait on me. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From clore@ACM.ORG Thu Dec 7 17:03:26 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA05747 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:03:23 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1153"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HYJ5GEF6HS008T9R@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 16:02:50 -0600 (CDT) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 15:04:44 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: info.sigchi redirect X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone), clore@ACM.ORG Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO That does seem strange. The port 82 part is correct, but double slashes, and it works! strange. It's not the host name that is causing the problem. If you use http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi96 you should get the same thing. The proxy server passes the path /sigchi/chi96 down to the Apache server on port 82 which then automatically issues the redirect for the missing ending slash. You know... since they're on the same machine, the proxy server should issue a valid redirect.... We'll have to try that. At 4:32 PM 12/7/95, Keith Instone wrote: >The REDIRECT or ALIAS or whatever for info.sigchi.acm.org >seems a litttle screwy. It generates URLs on port 82 and >with double slashes--see below. > >----- >When I use > http://info.sigchi.acm.org/sigchi/chi96 >it puts me at > http://www.acm.org:82/sigs/sigchi//chi96/ > >----- > >The URL still works, but sure looks weird. > > >Keith Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From clore@ACM.ORG Thu Dec 7 17:11:09 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA06046 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:11:07 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1521"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HYJ5PWCYOW006S6J@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 16:10:32 -0600 (CDT) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 15:12:26 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: info.sigchi redirect X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore), instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO At 3:04 PM 12/7/95, Michael A. Clore wrote: >You know... since they're on the same machine, the proxy server >should issue a valid redirect.... We'll have to try that. > What was I thinking. Sorry. It's too far down the path for that to work. It'll need its own redirect line. What a mess though... I'll have to look into a better soln. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Dec 12 23:53:49 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA10596; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:53:30 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id XAA03418; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:53:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199512130453.XAA03418@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: local SIG home page To: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:53:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: cgibbs@sj-coop.net, Kate_Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus@crd.lotus.com, Kate_Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com, kenny@numega.com, clore@acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, instone@cs.bgsu.edu In-Reply-To: from "Scott Robertson" at Dec 12, 95 04:34:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5754 Status: O Kate Ehrlich writes: > I would like to set up a general local SIGs home page off the main SIGCHI > home page. This page would contain general information about local SIGs > such as how to get started, the names of all the existing local SIGs, > pointers to those groups who have their own home pages and other items > of general interest. > > Christina Gibbs (BayCHI) and Kenny Kutney (GBSIGCHI) have agreed to be the > web masters for this page. > > Can you let us know how we can get space on the SIGCHI web server and get a > link off the main home page to point to a general local SIGs home page? Gary Perlman replies after reading Scott Robertson's reply: Great idea Kate. In gathering information about local SIGs for the Columbus effort, I created a page at: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/sigs.html with local SIGs and related SIGs to hold information I was gathering. I did not link it in to the SIGCHI pages because I wanted Scott Robertson, as the new Information Director, to do what he wanted to do with the pages, so for you as for him, think of it as something that might generate an idea or two. For another idea or two, you might look at the page I created for the Columbus effort: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman/COLCHI It has links to: 1. ACM Web Site 2. ACM Constitution and Bylaws 3. Sample Bylaws for Local SIGs 4. SIGCHI (Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction) Page 5. SIGCHI Bylaws 6. SIGCHI SIGs Page 7. SIGCHI Email Addresses I think the online Sample Local SIG Bylaws might be very useful to other forming local SIGs (as would links to formed Local SIGs' Bylaws, but I could not find any). As for space on the ACM SIGCHI Webserver, I see a lot of issues: * Naturally, you want to have the least amount of red tape in creating and managing the page(s). * I do not know ACM's policy on giving people accounts on ACM.ORG. I STRONGLY support the idea of dividing up the work so that more can be done by many people, instead of hoping for heroics. It may be that only information directors are to have accounts, but the conference people and newsletter editors have accounts, so I do not see why an Adjunct Chair for Local SIGs or their designee can't have accounts. I assume the load of extra accounts would be light, and the space would not be substantial. * Assuming that you want the pages to reside on ACM.ORG (which is where I think they belong for long term maintenance), the more people who have permissions on the files, the more opportunity for problems, unless some precautions are taken. I recommend that the link from the SIGCHI Home Page to the Local SIGs page be to a subdirectory of the SIGCHI directory: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/localsigs/ which would mean that the SIGCHI Local SIGs page would be in: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/localsigs/homepage.html which might link to other pages in that subdirectory. Using this scheme, I think there will be little opportunity for work on the local SIGs pages to affect the general SIGCHI pages and vice versa. * I am wary of placing the Local SIGs' pages (e.g., GBSIGCHI recently was asking for a home for their pages) under the SIGCHI pages' umbrella because, as you may know, Local SIGCHI chapters are not part of SIGCHI but are part of ACM, with the same status as Local ACM chapters. The BayCHI chapter has space for their pages allocated by the Local Activities area of ACM, not by SIGCHI. At the same time that I am wary of the issue, I would prefer to err on whatever side makes it easier for local SIGCHI SIGs to be a focal local point for their members. So, for example, forming or young SIGs might be given some space in the sigchi/localsigs directory, at the discretion of the Adjunct chair for Local SIGs or their designee, and I'd lose little sleep on the issue. More established SIGs might be asked to get space on ACM.ORG through Local Activities. We (i.e., Kate?) might run this by Diane Darrow for her opinion on whatever end up being the proposed way of dealing with the pages. * Finally there is the issue of image. Scott Robertson will be redesigning the SIGCHI pages over time, both in the content and organization of the material, and also in the format. It would be good if there was some way for the Local SIG pages to follow the formats used in the general SIGCHI pages. Naturally, everyone would hope that this will be as painless as possible, but some pain will probably be unavoidable with so many people changing so much. One option is to decouple the Local SIGs page from the SIGCHI pages and not try to make them seem part of a design scheme. Personally, I'd prefer to see a uniform format. In Scott Robertson's reply, Scott suggested looking at: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/pagestd.html This contains a bunch of lore about the SIGCHI site, and it might be useful to know about what is available on the new Unix (Ultrix) server. That may affect the decision about whether you want to maintain the material on acm.org or if you just want a link pointing to another site. Personally, I think it would be better for the pages to be at acm.org because the would insulate people from many changes, and it would allow local SIGs to point directly at a site instead of describing "Go to the SIGCHI page at http... and select the Local SIGs link" Gary Perlman, SIGCHI Vice Chair for Publications Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From clore@ACM.ORG Thu Dec 7 14:06:15 1995 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA25037 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:06:14 -0500 Received: from [152.161.2.196] ("port 1953"@clore.ansremote.com) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HYIZAAI3J4006VFP@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 13:06:06 -0600 (CDT) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 12:08:00 -0700 From: clore@ACM.ORG (Michael A. Clore) Subject: Re: acm.org forwarding lists X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org To: Scott Robertson , Michael Clore , Gary Perlman Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Hi Scott. At 11:30 AM 12/7/95, Scott Robertson wrote: > REGARDING acm.org forwarding lists > >Michael or Gary, > >Can one of you tell me how the acm.org forwarding lists are constructed and >maintained? CHI 97 has asked to start their lists on acm.org and I have the >initial names and forwarding addresses. > >I'd like to do this today or tomorrow since I'll be out of town for a few >days starting Sunday. We have two types of services. One is simple email aliases (which we've been marketing as e-mail forwarding accounts). The other is distribution lists. The aliases are typically one or two addreses and fairly static. The distribution lists are more dynamic and contain many addresses. The aliases go into a file, one line per alias in the following format: alias: real-email-address So, if you can provide them in that format, it will be even easier to install. E-mail services are maintained on a different system (from turing). If you had an account on pascal you could maintain the alias file yourself. Pascal is a VMS system, and it takes a couple days to get the account... Or, you can submit updates by e-mail and someone will take care of it within 24 hours (or so :) I have a form for distribution lists that has most of the available options on it. You can provide an inital list of subcribers. Just provide a list of the e-mail addresses one per line. let me know if you any questions. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Fri Dec 22 00:31:24 1995 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA10726; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:31:23 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id AAA20072; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:31:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:31:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199512220531.AAA20072@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: SIGCHI Gopher hole Status: O Guess what? I just noticed a link to the SIGCHI Gopher hole at: gopher://gopher.acm.org/11[the_files.sig_forums.sigchi] Maybe you should ask Michael Clore about who maintains it, and decide if it makes sense to continue to support it instead of moving whatever is there to the web pages. No rush on this, I think. Gary From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Thu Dec 28 18:17:13 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA25434 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:17:11 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21786; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 16:17:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 28 Dec 1995 16:17:25 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: local SIG home page To: "Gary Perlman" , "Kate Ehrlich" Cc: "Christina Gibbs" , "Kate Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus" , "Kenny Kutney" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>local SIG home page Kate, Gary, Christina, Kenny-- I agree with Gary's reply that we have all lower case in URLs. I am actually the culprit in putting upper case directory names into the the sigchi directory (I name directories in uppercase and files in mixedcase on my system -- but this is not common, and Gary is right that it is a pain for URLs). I'd like there to be a local-sigs subdirectory, with subdirectories inside of it for each local sig. That keeps the upper-level sigchi directory from being too big. I'd suggest having the directory name be plural (i.e. "local-sigs") instead of the way you suggested ("local-sig"). So, the URL for the general local-sigs homepage would be http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ Baychi's homepage, for example, would be http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/baychi/ What do you think? -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 12/22/1995 10:02 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Kate Ehrlich Scott, Gary: When I send in the text of the local SIGs column to Steve Pemberton on Jan 1, I would like to include an address for the general local SIGs home page that we are reasonably confident will be the actual address even if we don't yet know which machine will host the page. How about, http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sig/ ? By all means suggest another if this doesn't fit with the general address conventions you are using. I will send out a draft of the article before I send the final version to Steve. Thanks, -- Kate From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Thu Dec 28 18:49:24 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA26285 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 18:49:22 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22899; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 16:49:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 28 Dec 1995 16:48:51 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: FW- SIGCHI-local SIGs To: "Kent Sullivan" Cc: "Keith Hullfish" , perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>FW: SIGCHI-local SIGs Hi Kent, There are no templates for the local sigs pages. Although I am going to have a uniform look for all the sigchi pages, I am not inclined to enforce anything on the local SIGs. In fact, I think it would be great for them to design their own pages. The only thing I would ask is that you have a link back the sigchi home page and to acm. Also, I think you should always have text alternatives for any images. On the sigchi pages, I am going to run a header of icons for links back to acm, local sigs, sigchi, and the current chi conference. Take a look at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ for what I have in mind. It would be best for the users of the pages if you use the same icon(s) for any link(s) you have to these pages. I note that you are doing this on the GB/SIGCHI page -- which I think looks great! -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 12/22/1995 11:01 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Kent Sullivan Hi guys, Keith and I are hoping to make a Web page for Puget Sound SIGCHI. Kate below mentions some templates. Can you pass any our way? Thanks! --Kent P.S. We will probably be using Internet Assistant for Word to do the work... ---------- From: Kate Ehrlich[SMTP:Kate_Ehrlich.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com] Sent: Friday, December 22, 1995 8:27 AM To: Kent Sullivan Cc: perlman; scottrob; Kate Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus Subject: RE: SIGCHI-local SIGs Kent: I have made the email change in my roster and passed the information to the people who maintain the mailling list. The general local SIGs page will have its own information as well as pointers to the other local SIGs. The information will include stuff about by-laws and other ACM info, the local SIG roster etc. For more information about your own local SIG home page I suggest you contact Gary Perlman (perlman @ cis.ohio-state.edu) who is the SIGCHI pubs chair and Scott Robertson (scottrob @ atqm.advtech.uswest.com) who is the new SIGCHI Information Chair. Either of them can point you to such things as templates for designing your home page. Finally, yes general news includes a description of some of your recent meetings; basically anything that will help people who read the column know something about you. -- Kate ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by atqm.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP;22 Dec 1995 10:59:27 -0700 Received: from tide10.microsoft.com (firewall-user@tide10.microsoft.com [131.107.3.20]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04133 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:57:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by tide10.microsoft.com; id KAA16515; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:07:37 -0800 Received: from unknown(157.54.17.74) by tide10.microsoft.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma016436; Fri, 22 Dec 95 10:07:10 -0800 Received: from xnet1 (xnet1.microsoft.com [157.54.17.204]) by imail2.microsoft.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA24119 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:59:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: from xmtp4 by xnet1 with receive; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:57:03 -0800 X-Received: from RED-02-IMC by xmtp4 with recvsmtp; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:56:55 -0800 Received: by red-02-imc.itg.microsoft.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.10.611) id <01BAD053.D3547320@red-02-imc.itg.microsoft.com>; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:56:55 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kent Sullivan To: "perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu" , "scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com" Cc: Keith Hullfish Subject: FW: SIGCHI-local SIGs Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:56:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.10.611 Encoding: 45 TEXT X-MsXMTID: xmtp4951222175655RECVSMTP[01.52.00]00000094-16843 From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Fri Dec 29 02:11:57 1995 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id CAA11177 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 02:11:55 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03690; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:12:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 29 Dec 1995 00:10:55 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: local SIG home page To: "Christina Gibbs" , "Gary Perlman" , "Kate Ehrlich" , "Kate Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus" , "Kenny Kutney" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>local SIG home page Kate, Gary, Christina, Kenny-- >I'd like there to be a local-sigs subdirectory, with subdirectories inside >of it for each local sig. After thinking about this again, it is probably a better idea to have all of the local sigs' homepages as files (not subdirectories) within the "local-sigs" directory. That means that Baychi's homepage, for example, would be http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/baychi.html, if they put it on the acm.org server (they might want to keep it somewhere else, of course). -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 12/22/1995 10:02 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Kate Ehrlich Scott, Gary: When I send in the text of the local SIGs column to Steve Pemberton on Jan 1, I would like to include an address for the general local SIGs home page that we are reasonably confident will be the actual address even if we don't yet know which machine will host the page. How about, http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sig/ ? By all means suggest another if this doesn't fit with the general address conventions you are using. I will send out a draft of the article before I send the final version to Steve. Thanks, -- Kate From kenny@numega.com Fri Dec 29 09:41:41 1995 Received: from iserv.numega.com (iserv.numega.com [204.164.108.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA24669 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:41:40 -0500 Received: from mailgate.numega.com (mailgate.numega.com [204.164.108.29]) by iserv.numega.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA20976; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 04:48:51 -0500 Received: by mailgate.numega.com with Microsoft Mail id <30E3FE41@mailgate.numega.com>; Fri, 29 Dec 95 09:42:09 EST From: Kenny Kutney To: Christina Gibbs , Kate Ehrlich , Kate Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus , Gary Perlman , Scott Robertson Subject: RE: local SIG home page Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 09:34:00 EST Message-ID: <30E3FE41@mailgate.numega.com> Encoding: 92 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO hi all - i've been watching this correspondence go by for the past couple weeks, and i think there's a little confusion (that, or i'm really confused, which is totally possible) about the "local-sigs" pages. 1. as far as i was informed, individual local sigs would NOT be having their home pages placed on this ACM server. christina and myself have been tasked with creating a single home page for the local sigs chair - a page that points to all the individual local sigs pages. (personally, i really don't care if the individual local sigs do get space on the ACM server, i just really didn't think it was an issue, since they're not supposed to be moving.) 2. so, in light of #1, i agree that there should be a local-sigs subdir, and that the path names should be all lowercase, and that the path http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs is just fine. but, inside that local-sigs directory will simply be the files for the "local-sigs chair" home page. 3. again, if #1 and #2 are ok, then all we need is the filename for the "local-sigs chair" homepage... looking at the convention on the server, "autoload" file names (whatever that name is - index.html...?) are being used for both sigchi and the sigchi bulletin. so, for the sake of kate's article, as long as we agree to use the autoload filename, kate can officially use the URL: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ just make sure to include the trailing / kenny ---------- From: Scott Robertson[SMTP:scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com] Sent: Friday, December 29, 1995 12:10 AM To: Kenny Kutney; Christina Gibbs; Gary Perlman; Kate Ehrlich; Kate Ehrlich/CAM/Lotus Subject: Re: local SIG home page Reply to: RE>>local SIG home page Kate, Gary, Christina, Kenny-- >I'd like there to be a local-sigs subdirectory, with subdirectories inside >of it for each local sig. After thinking about this again, it is probably a better idea to have all of the local sigs' homepages as files (not subdirectories) within the "local-sigs" directory. That means that Baychi's homepage, for example, would be http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/baychi.html, if they put it on the acm.org server (they might want to keep it somewhere else, of course). -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 12/22/1995 10:02 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Kate Ehrlich Scott, Gary: When I send in the text of the local SIGs column to Steve Pemberton on Jan 1, I would like to include an address for the general local SIGs home page that we are reasonably confident will be the actual address even if we don't yet know which machine will host the page. How about, http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sig/ ? By all means suggest another if this doesn't fit with the general address conventions you are using. I will send out a draft of the article before I send the final version to Steve. Thanks, -- Kate From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Tue Jan 2 09:31:11 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA26500 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:31:09 -0500 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 2287"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01HZJ199P6OG006L8T@ACM.ORG>; Tue, 02 Jan 1996 08:30:58 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA46862; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 09:08:30 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <30E96902@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Tue, 02 Jan 96 09:18:58 PST Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 09:15:00 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: FYI: re: local SIGs To: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Clare-Marie Karat , Kate Ehrlich , "'Gary Perlman'" Cc: Diane Darrow , Lisa Ernst , Bill Hefley Message-id: <30E96902@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 585 TEXT Status: RO Hi folks, Bill Hefley forwarded this to me and there is some interesting information contained herein. Please note: 1. They have moved their web site away from ACM.org - I don't know the reasoning, but it might be interesting to find out...??? 2. They have done some survey work with their membership 3. They have created a membership directory - which might be interesting for us all to see. Take care, diane. p.s. thanks Bill - I don't get their mailings ---------- From: Bill Hefley To: darrow Subject: FYI: re: local SIGs Date: Saturday, December 30, 1995 8:46PM Diane, I don't know if you routinely see the BayCHI announcements, so I'm forwardinbg this one, as it has the results of a survey they recently did (and a lot of thoughts about volunteering).... Best wishes for the new year... bill ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: baychi-nonmembers-request@lore.kla.com Received: from sei.cmu.edu by ts5d.sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id RAA05106; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:10:44 -0500 Received: from kla.com by sei.cmu.edu (8.6.10/3.00) id RAA16776; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:10:31 -0500 Received: from lore.kla.com by kla.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08442; Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:43:44 PST Received: by lore.kla.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13295; Sat, 30 Dec 95 13:40:38 PST Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 13:38:49 PST Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <9512302138.AA13083@lore.kla.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 13:38:49 PST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: baychi-nonmembers@lore.kla.com Subject: BayCHI Meeting Announcement for January 1996 Reply-To: baychi-str.chi@xerox.com (BayCHI Steering Committee) From: weissman.chi@xerox.com (Bob Weissman) Resent-Message-Id: <"-TFnPC.A.sMD.rFb5w"@lore> Resent-From: baychi-nonmembers@lore.kla.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: baychi-nonmembers@lore.kla.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: baychi-nonmembers-request@lore.kla.com B a y C H I The San Francisco Bay Area ACM SIGCHI (Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction) January 1996 Meeting Announcement (see http://www.baychi.org/) ************************************************************************ BayCHI Members in good standing receive the full contents of the BayCHI newsletter. This abridged edition goes to interested non-members. *** See the survey results at the end of this mailing *** 1) January Meeting Announcement 2) Directions to Xerox PARC 3) Acknowledgments and Thanks 4) BayCHI Dinner Information 5) BayCHI Web Site Move *) December Meeting Report 7) BayCHI Membership Directory *) Calendar of Events 9) About BayCHI *) Volunteer Opportunities *) Lost and Found *) Consultants' Directory *) Job Bank 14) Survey Results ************************************************************************ 1) January Meeting Announcement BayCHI, the San Francisco Bay Area ACM SIGCHI (Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction), announces its January meeting: Tuesday, January 9, 1996 7:30 - 9:30 p.m. Design: The Neglected Child of Human Interface? OR Whipped Cream on Road Kill Still Tastes Bad Annette Wagner, SunSoft Xerox PARC Auditorium 3333 Coyote Hill Road Palo Alto, CA 94304 Abstract: What does it take to be successful at designing human interfaces for product development? An understanding of the design process is the place to start. Unfortunately, many human interface professionals are not trained to design; they are trained to analyze and evaluate. While evaluation is a necessary part of the design process, you cannot design a great human interface by running multiple user tests; you must start by designing the interface. Design is a verb; designing is a creative proactive process in which the designer weaves many threads together into a product. The designer acts as the nexus point for these threads through the roles of facilitator, idea generator, and historian. A designer is someone who has been trained to see the difference between a good design and a bad design; to know when a design "works". Ms. Wagner will describe the design process she uses. The discussion will include pointers on how to articulate your own design process. The design process will be illustrated with examples from real projects and with methods anyone can use to make design an integral part of the product development life cycle. These methods include brainstorming, being the team visualizer, and writing user stories. The presentation will include a description of the now-defunct Designers Anonymous group and why the group was formed originally. Biography: Annette Wagner describes herself as a human interface designer and artist. She began her career at Apple 14 years ago working on the Lisa personal computer. She worked on several versions of the Macintosh Finder and other Macintosh products. Ms. Wagner is currently a senior member of the Human Computer Interaction group at SunSoft Inc., where she is working hard at bringing ease of use to end user applications running on Unix. When she is not doing that, she is the art director for The Sphere Information Services, a web page service provider. ======================================================================== BayCHI's February meeting: February 13 likely topics: the wonderful world of HI prototyping and tips on traveling through cyberspace (location: Xerox PARC Auditorium, Palo Alto) see the BayCHI web site, newsletter, and announcements next month for detailed and updated info ************************************************************************ 2) Directions to Xerox PARC > From Highway 101, take the Oregon Expressway exit west 2 miles to El Camino Real. Oregon Expressway becomes Page Mill Road at El Camino. Follow Page Mill Road 1.7 miles to Coyote Hill Road (no light) and turn left. Coyote Hill Road is just past the intersection with Foothill Expressway. Go one-half mile and PARC will be on your left. Follow the signs to the auditorium. > From Interstate 280, take the Page Mill Road exit. Go east one mile to Coyote Hill Road (no light) and turn right. Go one-half mile and PARC will be on your left. Follow the signs to the auditorium. ************************************************************************ 3) Acknowledgments and Thanks BayCHI would like to thank Jock Mackinlay and Stu Card of Xerox PARC for sponsoring our use of the Xerox PARC auditorium and its terrific A-V staff for BayCHI monthly meetings. ************************************************************************ 4) BayCHI Dinner Information BayCHI organizes a dinner before each monthly meeting. This is a great opportunity to meet new people or to get together with your BayCHI friends. The evening's BayCHI speakers usually attend. The dinner is held at a different restaurant near Xerox PARC every month. Dinner ends in time to attend the talk at 7:30. This month, the dinner will be at Hobee's. We'll meet at 5:30 p.m. sharp. Please RSVP directly to Allison Hansen at ahansen.chi@xerox.com or 415/506-6033 by 2 p.m. the afternoon of the meeting if you plan to join us. Hobee's (4224 El Camino Real, 415/856-6124) is located in Palo Alto on El Camino in the block south of Arastradero. (Note: There are two Hobee's in Palo Alto; this is the one south of Page Mill Road, not the one in the shopping center across from Stanford.) Entrees are $5.25-$11.95 and include several attractive vegetarian alternatives. The restaurant has kindly agreed to provide individual billing. > From Highway 101, take the San Antonio exit headed west. At El Camino Real, turn right. Go north on El Camino, merging into the left-hand lane. Make a U-turn when you reach the street that is Arastradero on your left, West Charleston on your right. Hobee's is be on your right (the west side of El Camino), after Avis and before Budget Rent-a-car. If you reach the next intersection, Dinah's Court, you've gone too far south. ************************************************************************ 5) BayCHI Web Site Move Our web site has a new home. The URL is http://www.baychi.org/ . Give us a visit. (The old web site at http://info.acm.org/~baychi/ is still available for now.) ************************************************************************ 7) BayCHI Membership Directory Earlier this month, the Steering Committee mailed a copy of the 1995-96 BayCHI Membership Directory to each member who didn't receive it at a recent meeting. If you are a member and you have not received your directory, contact Clark Streeter (cstreeter.chi@xerox.com). If you aren't a BayCHI member, join at a meeting and receive your Membership Directory upon payment. The BayCHI Membership Directory contains 100 pages of member names and information, including a member index by organization. ************************************************************************ 9) About BayCHI BayCHI, the San Francisco Bay Area chapter of ACM's Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction, brings together systems designers, human factors engineers, computer scientists, psychologists, social scientists, and users from throughout the Bay Area to hear and to exchange ideas about computer-human interaction and about the design and evaluation of user interfaces. Visit the BayCHI World Wide Web site to learn more about current and past BayCHI activities. URL: http://www.baychi.org/ Call the BayCHI Infoline at 408/235-9244 to hear an announcement about upcoming BayCHI activities or to leave a question. To join BayCHI, which will get you added to the mailing list for the newsletter, contact: Clark Streeter BayCHI Membership e-mail: cstreeter.chi@xerox.com phone: 510/422-4493 or send a note requesting a membership form to: BayCHI PO Box 25 Menlo Park, CA 94026 Membership forms are also available at the BayCHI meetings. Send member change of address requests to BayCHI-coa.chi@xerox.com (preferred) of the BayCHI post office box. The BayCHI steering committee meetings are open to anyone who is interested in attending. The meetings are generally held the first Tuesday of the month at 7:30 p.m. Please contact any member of the committee for directions to the meeting. Chair David Rowley rowley.chi@xerox.com 510/945-2275 Vice Chair Allison Hansen ahansen.chi@xerox.com 415/506-6033 Treasurer/Membership Clark Streeter cstreeter.chi@xerox.com (& Newsletter Dist.) 510/422-4493 Program Richard Anderson rianderson.chi@xerox.com 510/524-2421 Past Chair Ellen Francik francik.chi@xerox.com Founding Chair Kathy Hemenway hemenway@sun.com Xerox PARC Host Jock Mackinlay BAHFES Liason Robert Kaplan kaplan@usernomics.com Consultants' Dir. Dave Salvator dsalvato@mail.zd.ziff.com Dinner Coordinator Monique Barbanson mhb@entelechy.com 415/493-3180 Elections & David Simkin David_Simkin.chi@xerox.com Volunteer Coordinator International Liaison Susan Wolfe wolfe.chi@xerox.com Job Bank Bob Weissman weissman.chi@xerox.com (& E-Newsletter Dist.) 408/468-6848 Newsletter Editor Fred Jacobson jacobson.chi@xerox.com 408/526-3282 Publicity Christina Gibbs gibbs.chi@xerox.com (& Webmistress) 408/241-0301 SIGCHI Liaison Don Patterson patterson.chi@xerox.com Steering Committee Ulrike Creach ucreach.chi@xerox.com Meeting Host 510/423-0843 At-large Kate Finn finn.chi@xerox.com Howard Tamler tamler.chi@xerox.com ************************************************************************ 6) BayCHI Survey Results (Editor's note: Allison Hansen, BayCHI Vice Chair, prepared this compilation of the returns from the survey she organized. It was distributed to BayCHI members in the December 1995 newsletter.) My philosophy about any volunteer organization is that its primary purpose is to meet its members' needs, be they professional, educational, social, philanthropic -- whatever. I decided the best way to do this would be through a survey, which was distributed through e-mail (to both member and non-member lists) and was available at the last three BayCHI meetings. The questions touched on membership, services, meetings, tutorials, ideas, volunteerism, and general questions about what seems to work or not work in the organization. The response was excellent -- 120 surveys were returned. The results and the recommendations to the steering committee follow. These results will also be discussed briefly at the beginning of the December meeting, with a few graphics to illustrate data. Membership Of the 117 people who responded to the question of membership, 100 (85%) said they are a member. Reasons given for not being a member were almost always unique, except for forgetting to send in the renewal form and that the person didn't see what benefits membership would buy him or her. The following reasons for being a member were most often cited: * Interesting meetings/speakers * Social networking * Access to the job bank * Keeping in touch with CHI field * Supporting the organization As for cost, the great majority of people think that the membership dues are reasonable and worth the money. Of 105 responses, 100 felt they get their money's worth in dues. Of these 100, 64 feel dues are low, 36 feel they are medium, and 0 feel they are high. E-mailings, etc. The survey asked whether people use the following services: Newsletter: 111 responses Yes - 100% No - 0% Job Bank: 107 responses Yes - 64% No - 36% Web Page: 99 responses Yes - 29% No - 71% The survey specifically asked how useful people find the calendar and meeting summary sections of the newsletter. Of 112 people who answered regarding the calendar, 49% find it very useful, 46% find it somewhat useful, and 6% do not find it useful. The meeting summaries are very well received; of 108 people responding, 58% find it very useful, 33% find it somewhat useful, and 6% do not find it useful. Those who provided additional comments on the newsletter tended to say that it was long, but informative. People often commented on how much they appreciate the meeting announcements and summaries. As for the job bank, it seems that those who are not actively looking may use it in the future or just enjoy reading the listings out of pure interest. Those who are job-hunting find it extremely useful. Many people who commented on the web page said they had not tried it yet , did not know it existed, or did not know the URL. (The web site has not been publicized greatly yet because it is being moved to a new, improved location; the new URL should be available shortly.) [http://www.baychi.org/ -- ed.] Monthly Meetings Of the 119 people who responded, 102 said they attend the monthly meetings. The attendance rate is as follows: 10-12 meetings/year: 9% 6-9 meetings/year: 30% 3-5 meetings/year: 33% 1-2 meetings/year: 27% Asked to comment on their reasons for going to meetings and the quality of the meetings, most said that the meetings are excellent -- intellectually stimulating, entertaining, and a great opportunity for socializing and networking with others in the field. People appreciate the work Richard Anderson does in finding top-quality speakers as well as his humor in presenting the announcements. As for possible improvements, people wish meetings would start and end on time, leave more time for questions, spend less time on announcements, and occasionally address more practical issues. Those who cannot attend meetings very often because of distance, work, or family said that they go when there is a speaker they have great interest in hearing. As for the pre-meeting dinner, those who do not attend tended to say it was a neat idea, but special dietary needs, shyness, or, most often, lack of time prevent them from attending. Those who go to the dinners generally enjoy networking or the chance to meet the speaker, though a few complained that in the restaurant setting, they only get to meet a couple of other people, not necessarily including the speaker. The mingling in the hallway before meetings is valued by some as a great time for socializing and networking. Usually these people seem to use this time for catching up with people they already know. Those who do not attend most often cite lack of time or not knowing anyone. Some commented that they would like better refreshments and nametags. The speaker series is very popular; people cite it as a "first rate" mixture of talks where the speaker is usually excellent. Many said this is the best part of BayCHI, and wouldn't change it at all -- keep up the good quality. The "A Conversation With" series drew more diverse reactions. Some very much appreciate the different viewpoint and format, especially when it involves debate or controversy; others feel it takes too much time away from the main speaker's talk or that the interviews could be more dynamic and have a quicker tempo. Tutorials BayCHI has offered two full-day tutorials. Of those who could not attend, time and money were the most oft-cited reasons, followed by not knowing about it, having taken them elsewhere, or lack of interest. Those who did attend seemed to find them interesting, useful, and practitioner-oriented. Ideas for future tutorials that were cited more than once include web page design, usability, multimedia, prototyping tools, and advanced GUI design. General The most commonly cited rewards of being part of BayCHI included interesting speakers, exposure to new ideas, connection to the CHI community, networking, sharing problems and solutions with others, and the job bank. People supplied many and varied ideas for how they could get more out of BayCHI. On the organization's side, there could be more demos/speakers, net presence, Q&A, venues to support interaction, special interest group discussions, and addressing real-world issues. Individuals suggested that on their part they could attend meetings more regularly, volunteer, and get to know more people. Asked what new projects and activities people would like to see BayCHI do, people provided excellent, creative, and varied ideas -- a film festival, mentoring, case studies, a literature guide, and community service being just a few. Of those who answered the question of what current activities we should drop, 88% said "nothing"; a couple suggested shortening the "A Conversation With" part of the program. Crazy Ideas Several new ideas were presented, along with space for ideas from respondents in the hope that new ideas would be generated. Respondents rated their interested level (high, medium, or low) in the ideas provided as follows: Demo of the Month: 102 responses High: 70% Medium: 25% Low: 6% Nametags: 96 responses High: 36% Medium: 27% Low: 36% Seventh Inning Stretch: 89 responses High: 25% Medium: 34% Low: 42% The crazy ideas submitted were nearly all unique and included everything from debates and demo parties to drinking clubs and paintball. Volunteerism Of the 89 people who answered whether they volunteer their time to BayCHI, 9% said they do and 91% said they do not. Those who volunteer say they like what the group does, want to give back to the organization, enjoy what they are doing, and/or want to network. Those who do not volunteer cite lack of time, procrastination, laziness, remoteness, work they are already doing for another volunteer organization, or the fact that they have never been asked. Several said that whether they volunteer would depend on the nature of the task and the time involved. Suggestions for inspiring volunteerism include providing a volunteer database matching needs to people and more advertising of volunteer opportunities (including posting them in the newsletter). Some suggested that volunteering may be a nice way to get to know other people if there is work that can be done in groups, and several expressed an interest for working on a specific task or project, or contributing to a worthy cause. Recommendations to the steering committee * Send out a notice to the non-member mailing list clearly outlining the benefits of membership, with a membership form provided. Make this same packet readily available at the meetings. * Try changing the newsletter format such that only new calendar events are listed in each monthly issue, and provide a pointer to the web site where the complete calendar may be found. Keep the meeting summaries coming! Publicize the new web site URL as soon as it's ready. * Make a greater effort to start and end meetings on time, streamline announcements while maintaining the fun Richard Anderson humor, and leave more time for questions at the end. * Have more speakers, tutorials, and perhaps Birds of a Feather groups that focus on HCI practitioners (vs. HCI research). * Try to arrange the pre-meeting dinners at restaurants which facilitate greater interaction among more people. The dinner host and regulars should make a greater effort to make newcomers feel welcome. Restaurants which have vegetarian alternatives or facilitate individual bills would attract some people; these features should be advertised in the dinner announcement when appropriate. * In the hallway before the meeting, have more food and drinks (with correspondingly more signs requesting that they stay in the hallway). The steering committee is already working on providing nametags that double as membership cards. Meanwhile, provide stick-on nametags in the hallway to facilitate more introductions and socializing. * Keep up the good work in the speaker series! Experiment with shorter timeframes and faster pace for the "A Conversation With" series. Include more debates. * Offer more tutorials, keeping the cost as low as possible. The next tutorial is in the early stages of planning, and survey data on ideas for topics and preferred locations have already been submitted. * Look closely at the responses to survey questions on how people feel they could get more out of BayCHI, ideas for new projects, and crazy ideas. Prioritize the ideas, recruit helpers for them, and implement them over time. In some cases, pilot projects to test interest may be appropriate. Implementation of the Nametags and Demo of the Month ideas is planned. Nametags can double as membership cards, which people can carry in their wallet and insert into re-usable plastic covers provided at meetings. * Advertise volunteer opportunities. When possible, clearly state the task, amount of time estimated, and number of people needed. Make volunteering a fun way to get to know others by encouraging or facilitating work on projects in groups or pairs. There is already a volunteer form, available at meetings, for people who want to volunteer -- make this available in as many venues as possible (newsletter, new membership packets, etc.). Thank You Many thanks to everyone who participated in the survey. The superb response provided a large sample of data, and the detailed comments many of you provided include excellent ideas that give the steering committee much food for thought. Your comments, ideas, and suggestions are always welcome and you should always feel free to contact any member of the steering committee to share them. ************************************************************************ ------- End of Forwarded Message From Steven.Pemberton@sophia.inria.fr Thu Jan 18 09:37:09 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA07608 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:37:07 -0500 Received: from Revere.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <52762(8)>; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:35:41 PST Received: from tarantula.inria.fr ([138.96.24.82]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <52755(7)>; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:31:25 PST Received: by tarantula.inria.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA02044; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:26:22 +0100 Illegal-Object: Syntax error in To: address found on alpha.xerox.com: To: "Scott Robertson" humphrey@lhc.nlm.nih.gov (Abstracts) ^-missing end of address X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C734FC Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:26:22 PST Sender: Steven.Pemberton@sophia.inria.fr From: Steven Pemberton Subject: Re: New SIGCHI homepage peek In-Reply-to: To: ben@cs.umd.edu (Abstracts), chair.chi@xerox.com (Chairs), exec-vc.chi@xerox.com (Chairs), jgasen@cabell.vcu.edu (Education), mullins@cis.ysu.edu (Events), jkarat@watson.ibm.com (International), ckarat.chi@xerox.com (International), vc-comm.chi@xerox.com (Minutes), david@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Pubs), ehrlich.chi@xerox.com (SIGS), billingsley.chi@xerox.com (Standards), maria@transarc.com (VID), sigchi-bullets@cwi.nl (Students), lon@design.nl (Real World) cc: "SIGCHI EEC" Message-ID: <199601181426.PAA02044@tarantula.inria.fr> References: Status: RO Here are some comments: "Mailing lists" can now point to http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1994.2/email.html I wonder about the wisdom of putting prices in the pages. Shouldn't we just point readers to the ACM Living Catalog(ue)? The list of topics on the new home page need some reordering in some sort of useful semantic order. Under publications: I think there should be a better distinction between what are SIGCHI publications and what aren't. Pubs: I think interactions should be before CHI. Pubs: CHI: The online proceedings is an *experiment*! You mustn't create expectations we can't deliver on ("Starting in 1995 ..."). Conferences: there are a number of SIGCHI in cooperation conferences missing (eg AVI 96) Officers: as far as I know boy.chi@xerox.com doesn't work. guy_boy.chi@xerox.com does. However, all posts have generic addresses, like: chair.chi@xerox.com (Chair), exec-vc.chi@xerox.com (Vice Chair), vc-comm.chi@xerox.com (Communications) and it seems to me better to use those. Preece.chi@xerox.com works for Jenny Preece, and the other names should have .chi addresses as well (saves work). All SIGCHI EC meeting minutes are now online (Go to the online Bulletin, and follow the link; we may want to create a page colecting them by meeting (each file of minutes has a separate anchor for each meeting.) Kate wants to do the same for Local SIGs columns, which I will be helping organise in February. Steven From atwood@nynexst.com Tue Jan 23 11:47:45 1996 Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com [128.209.10.10]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA20647 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:47:43 -0500 Received: from asterix.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA29124; Tue, 23 Jan 96 11:45:08 EST Received: from [128.209.22.138] (arthur) by asterix.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23773; Tue, 23 Jan 96 11:45:07 EST X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:47:49 -0500 To: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: ne SIGCHI home page Cc: darrow@ny.hq.acm.org (Diane Darrow), boy@onecert.fr Status: RO Scott & Gary -- Thanks to both of you for the "new improved SIGCHI home page." Looking at it briefly, it looks great! The next issue is how can we ensure that we have ensured usefulness and usability before we go public with this so that we are best role-modeling our field. Asking the whole EEC to review this would probably generate a list of unconnected (and likely sometimes inconsistent) suggestions for Scott to act on and we couldn't guarantee that all parts of the home page and associated links were covered. Gary, as Pubs Chair, can you take the lead in reviewing the home page? If you can do a review and send your comments to the EEC it should better structure the review that Scott gets, as well as make a more through review. Thanks -- Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Wed Jan 24 00:04:55 1996 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA01113; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:04:32 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id AAA14083; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:04:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199601240504.AAA14083@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: ne SIGCHI home page To: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:04:28 -0500 (EST) Cc: scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, boy@onecert.fr In-Reply-To: from "Mike Atwood" at Jan 23, 96 11:47:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 942 Status: RO > > Scott & Gary -- > > Thanks to both of you for the "new improved SIGCHI home page." Looking at > it briefly, it looks great! The next issue is how can we ensure that we > have ensured usefulness and usability before we go public with this so that > we are best role-modeling our field. Asking the whole EEC to review this > would probably generate a list of unconnected (and likely sometimes > inconsistent) suggestions for Scott to act on and we couldn't guarantee > that all parts of the home page and associated links were covered. > > Gary, as Pubs Chair, can you take the lead in reviewing the home page? If > you can do a review and send your comments to the EEC it should better > structure the review that Scott gets, as well as make a more through > review. I'll devise a set of review criteria and apply them. It might take a week or two. I might aks for input from the EC and the infodirs on the criteria, though. Gary From PATTERSON@addvax.llnl.gov Thu Jan 25 14:14:47 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA25779 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:14:13 -0500 Received: from Maverick.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <54038(8)>; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:15:58 PST Received: from ADDVAX.LLNL.GOV ([128.115.19.32]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <56488(12)>; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:52:37 PST Received: from addvax.llnl.gov by addvax.llnl.gov (PMDF #12441) id <01I0F44KD47S000H21@addvax.llnl.gov>; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:37 PST X-Envelope-to: eec.chi@xerox.COM X-VMS-To: IN%"eec.chi@xerox.com" X-VMS-Cc: PATTERSON X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C814E8 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:37:00 PST From: Don Patterson Subject: Re: Migrating email lists to acm.org To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <01I0F44KD47S000H21@addvax.llnl.gov> Status: RO CHI folk, We have talked for several years about moving the email distribution lists supported by Xerox to ACM.org at some point - particularly the public or general access lists. The current volume of email traffic on these lists (particularly announcements and students) continues to increase. Nick informs me that the Xerox machines are running out of cycles to process all the mail in a timely manner. I would also add that the maintenance burden generated by those lists is very high and would be eliminated or at least significantly reduced in a listserve environment. Is there someone on the EEC who is looking at our long range electronic communications needs who could address this in the near future? Cheers, Don From Steven.Pemberton@sophia.inria.fr Wed Jan 31 16:53:32 1996 Received: from www44.inria.fr ([138.96.48.85]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA13460 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 14:12:16 -0500 Received: by www44.inria.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA17339; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:41:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:41:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199601301341.OAA17339@www44.inria.fr> To: Gary Perlman From: Steven Pemberton Subject: Re: ACM.COM In-Reply-To: <199601300239.VAA12173@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> References: <199601300239.VAA12173@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: RO > Some suggestions: > I did not see a "send comments" link. Yes, this is the first thing I intend to do when I get back to Amsterdam (Working here at W3C this month, you'd think that they'd have the greatest net connection in the world. Think again. 100 bytes/sec to the USA at the moment...) > On the page (the home page I think): > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/ > There is a mailto: link to acm.COM (COM -> ORG) Oops. Thanks. Fixed. Mailto links are the hardest to test. All the others had been tested. > Some links were images with no ALT= text, Indeed. Also on my list of actions, plus adding HEIGHT and WIDTHs to them. > under Events: > There is no mention of the HFES conference. > How can info be added? The Bulletin online is just a copy of the paper version. Submitting events info goes to mullins.chi@xerox.com > I would have liked a table of contents for this section > for a quick overview. You mean for the events page? Thanks for the feedback! Steven From scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com Thu Feb 1 18:39:11 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA13723 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:39:10 -0500 Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21038; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:36:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 1 Feb 1996 16:36:44 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: request for accounts for To: "Michael Clore" , "Kenny Kutney" Cc: "'Kate_Ehrlich.LOTUS@crd.lotus.c" , "'perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu'" , "Christina Gibbs" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO RE>request for accounts for web dev access 02/01/1996 Michael, Can you create an account for Kenny Kutney? He will need permission to write in the .../sigchi/local-sigs directory. In the msg. below I have told him that you will need some information from him. Thanks, -Scott --------------------- Kenny, I think that Michael Clore will want one person to be the responsible person for the account. Let's say it's you. He will want to get some information from you (your name, phone, and other stuff I think). Any name for the account is OK with me, just tell Michael what you want. I would like the top page for local sigs to have a format that is the same as the rest of the site. There is a page there now at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ which is consistent with the redesigned site (most of the site's new pages are done, start at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/Homepage-new.html to see it. It is being reviewed right now and will go on-line after the review). You will probably want to change the insides, but let's keep the icons and border strips at the top (and bottom if it gets too long) the same. OK? You'll probably want to add pages that explain how to form a local SIG and link them to the top page. What do you think of the idea of creating and maintaining home pages for the local sigs that don't have their own (one page each!)? You could come up with the set of information that you think should be on everone's page, and then #004##004##004#consult with the SIG organizer about the design and remaining content. How does this all sound? -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 01/25/1996 3:10 PM To: Scott Robertson From: Kenny Kutney hi scott (& gary) christina and myself would like to have an account set up for us so we can access (write to) the www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ area with the local-sigs page we're developing. we'll need the account name, password, ftp privs, ip address, etc. i think one account (how's local-sigs for a name?) we can share would be fine, but if you'd rather do individuals, i'll defer that call (and the call on the name) to you. thanks, kenny From kenny@numega.com Mon Feb 5 11:32:25 1996 Received: from iserv.numega.com (iserv.numega.com [204.164.108.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA20761 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:32:19 -0500 Received: from mailgate.numega.com (mailgate.numega.com [204.164.108.29]) by iserv.numega.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20950; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:32:41 -0500 Received: by mailgate.numega.com with Microsoft Mail id <31163159@mailgate.numega.com>; Mon, 05 Feb 96 11:33:29 EST From: Kenny Kutney To: Michael Clore , Scott Robertson Cc: Christina Gibbs , "'Kate_Ehrlich.LOTUS@crd.lotus.c" , "'perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu'" Subject: RE: request for accounts for Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 11:29:00 EST Message-ID: <31163159@mailgate.numega.com> Encoding: 89 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO hi michael - please call the account "localsigs", if that's ok. let me know what additional info you require to get this account up and running. thanks, kenny ---------- From: Scott Robertson[SMTP:scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 1996 4:36 PM To: Kenny Kutney; Michael Clore Cc: 'Kate_Ehrlich.LOTUS@crd.lotus.c; 'perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu'; Christina Gibbs Subject: Re: request for accounts for RE>request for accounts for web dev access 02/01/1996 Michael, Can you create an account for Kenny Kutney? He will need permission to write in the .../sigchi/local-sigs directory. In the msg. below I have told him that you will need some information from him. Thanks, -Scott --------------------- Kenny, I think that Michael Clore will want one person to be the responsible person for the account. Let's say it's you. He will want to get some information from you (your name, phone, and other stuff I think). Any name for the account is OK with me, just tell Michael what you want. I would like the top page for local sigs to have a format that is the same as the rest of the site. There is a page there now at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ which is consistent with the redesigned site (most of the site's new pages are done, start at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/Homepage-new.html to see it. It is being reviewed right now and will go on-line after the review). You will probably want to change the insides, but let's keep the icons and border strips at the top (and bottom if it gets too long) the same. OK? You'll probably want to add pages that explain how to form a local SIG and link them to the top page. What do you think of the idea of creating and maintaining home pages for the local sigs that don't have their own (one page each!)? You could come up with the set of information that you think should be on everone's page, and then #004##004##004#consult with the SIG organizer about the design and remaining content. How does this all sound? -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 01/25/1996 3:10 PM To: Scott Robertson From: Kenny Kutney hi scott (& gary) christina and myself would like to have an account set up for us so we can access (write to) the www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ area with the local-sigs page we're developing. we'll need the account name, password, ftp privs, ip address, etc. i think one account (how's local-sigs for a name?) we can share would be fine, but if you'd rather do individuals, i'll defer that call (and the call on the name) to you. thanks, kenny From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Tue Feb 6 16:49:33 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA17612 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:49:25 -0500 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 4801"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01I0WCPH8YSG004EFR@ACM.ORG>; Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:47:32 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25523; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:27:08 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <3117F459@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Tue, 06 Feb 96 16:37:45 PST Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 16:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Darrow Subject: FW: CHI 96 / New email address To: "'Keith Instone'" Cc: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Gene Lynch , "'Gary Perlman'" , Scott Robertson Message-id: <3117F459@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 46 TEXT Status: RO Hi Keith, just a note, with a very serious question, honestly...how do you think the SIGCHI stuff should be structured WITHOUT ACM in the loop - This is an honest question and I would like to have you be completely candid with me. My job is to be sure that SIGCHI's infrastructure is secure and I have encouraged them (over the years) not to build their own infrastructure, but rather to piggyback onto what ACM is doing. I know the acm.org thing is a bit crazy now, but will it smooth out and become reliable? Should we (SIGCHI) be looking at developing something themselves, which is dependent not only on volunteers but some paid service? Thanks for your input. regards, diane... ---------- From: chi96-smc-request To: Keith Instone Cc: CHI 96 Senior Mgmt Uk Subject: Re: CHI 96 / New email address Date: Tuesday, February 06, 1996 2:27PM Thanks Keith - You're great! Paul >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: CHI 96 / New email address OK, what I am working on is a new address to advertise to the world for doing these sorts of things: how about chi96-help? It seems to fit the reason for the extra account, for those people who need to know more. This way chi96-office can still be used to contact Patty for "real work". First, ACM has to run a program to update its email aliases, When that is done, chi96-help wil be created. Then I will update the web pages that used to say stuff like "if you have any questions, contact chi96-office" to refer to chi96-help. chi96-help will point to the new compuserve account, of course. Should all be working in a few hours. Could be done sooner if ACM wasn't in the loop. Keith From Darrow@NY.hq.acm.org Wed Feb 7 10:58:33 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA10300 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:58:15 -0500 Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 1628"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V4.3-13 #4177) id <01I0XESMCMGG0067PC@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 07 Feb 1996 09:58:00 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27158; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:37:54 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <3118F3FF@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Wed, 07 Feb 96 10:48:31 PST Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: Diane Darrow Subject: Re: FW: CHI 96 / New email address To: instone Cc: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Gene Lynch , "'Scooter Morris'" , "'Gary Perlman'" , Scott Robertson Message-id: <3118F3FF@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 85 TEXT Status: RO Hi Keith, thanks - I didn't think you were bad mouthing ACM, but thanks for clarifying the situation for us all. I appreciate your answer and appreciate you taking the time to write it. I always value your opinion and observations! thanks, diane. ---------- From: instone To: Darrow Subject: Re: FW: CHI 96 / New email address Date: Wednesday, February 07, 1996 9:30AM >Hi Keith, just a note, with a very serious question, honestly...how do you >think the SIGCHI stuff should be structured WITHOUT ACM in the loop - This >is an honest question and I would like to have you be completely candid with >me. My job is to be sure that SIGCHI's infrastructure is secure and I have >encouraged them (over the years) not to build their own infrastructure, but >rather to piggyback onto what ACM is doing. I know the acm.org thing is a >bit crazy now, but will it smooth out and become reliable? Should we >(SIGCHI) be looking at developing something themselves, which is dependent >not only on volunteers but some paid service? Thanks for your input. > regards, diane... First, I wasn't slamming ACM in my note below, believe it or not! I was just pointing out that some of the process was out of my control. With the CHI 96 web pages, I often get a note from someone like Jock MacKinlay, saying: Please delete this paper from the AP NOW. That I can do all by myself, with no intervention from anyone at acm.org. So if I give bad service, blame me and only me. But other times I have to rely on folks at acm.org. They have removed several layers of barriers (for me) so a problem like we had yesterday only takes a few hours to correct, whereas it used to take many days to a week to never getting done! My note to Paul was only an indication that I did what I could, got the ball rolling, and so we had to wait a little bit. He sounded somewhat desperate in his note to me, so I wanted to explain what was going on. I apologize if my poor wording let you or anyone to believe that dear old ACM wasn't doing its job. It is doing a fine job and if SIGCHI were doing this stuff itself I would expect many more problems, and of a much more serious nature. I think your advice on building on ACM's infrastructure was a good one. It has taken them a while to get going, but I seem some momentum on their part now (such as what Rachel Barish is doing for SIGs), so I see many other SIGs gaining benefits from ACM. By "forcing" SIGCHI to push ACM, SIGCHI has gotten better service, and others will too. For exmaple, I wrote some fancy software to help me manage the CHI 96 email aliases and mailing lists. I hope that ACM folks can generalize this a bit and make it available to all of the major conferences. So, my short answer is: no, keep using ACM, keep pushing ACM, and both SIGCHI and ACM will be the better for it. Things are too complicated nowadays for splintering. Keith >First, ACM has to run a program to update its email aliases, >When that is done, chi96-help wil be created. Then I will update >the web pages that used to say stuff like "if you have any questions, >contact chi96-office" to refer to chi96-help. >Should all be working in a few hours. Could be done sooner if ACM >wasn't in the loop. From kenny@numega.com Fri Mar 8 11:25:47 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA09743 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:25:41 -0500 Received: from Parc_Mail_Service.PARC.xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14895(9)>; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:24:24 PST Received: from iserv.numega.com ([204.164.108.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14946(1)>; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:19:22 PST Received: from mailgate.numega.com (mailgate.numega.com [204.164.108.29]) by iserv.numega.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA12143 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:21:32 -0500 Received: by mailgate.numega.com with Microsoft Mail id <31405F63@mailgate.numega.com>; Fri, 08 Mar 96 11:25:07 EST Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500CFF900 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:16:00 PST From: Kenny Kutney Subject: New Local SIGs web page on-line To: "'local-sigs.chi@xerox.com'" Message-ID: <31405F63@mailgate.numega.com> Status: RO As mentioned in the SIGCHI Bulletin, a new web page dedicated to SIGCHI Local SIGs is now in place, at the ACM web site: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ Please direct any comment or suggestions about this page to myself, Christina Gibbs and/or Kate Ehrlich (e-mail addresses listed at the bottom of the web page). Kenny Kutney GB/SIGCHI (kenny@numega.com) From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Mar 8 11:43:04 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@[130.13.16.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA10493 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:42:57 -0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05811; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10467; Fri, 8 Mar 1996 09:41:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 8 Mar 1996 09:43:33 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: ne SIGCHI home page To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Cc: boy@onecert.fr, "Diane Darrow" , "Mike Atwood" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>ne SIGCHI home page Hi Gary, How is this review going? I'd like to get the new pages online and advertised so that they can start "delivering added value)" (see what happens to your vocabulary after being in corporate life for awhile) and so that I am taking care of only one set of pages. Another option might be to involve the SIGCHI community by putting them out there and asking for user-centered design comments. If the review is a bit in the way right now, I'd be happy to go without it and modify things as they come up. By the way, I will place all the pages under RCS control and get counters on them before they go public. I also am going to take specific dues information ou--several people suggested that as a potential problem. -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 01/23/1996 9:55 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Mike Atwood Scott & Gary -- Thanks to both of you for the "new improved SIGCHI home page." Looking at it briefly, it looks great! The next issue is how can we ensure that we have ensured usefulness and usability before we go public with this so that we are best role-modeling our field. Asking the whole EEC to review this would probably generate a list of unconnected (and likely sometimes inconsistent) suggestions for Scott to act on and we couldn't guarantee that all parts of the home page and associated links were covered. Gary, as Pubs Chair, can you take the lead in reviewing the home page? If you can do a review and send your comments to the EEC it should better structure the review that Scott gets, as well as make a more through review. Thanks -- Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Jan 25 16:40:35 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA05568 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:40:32 -0500 Received: from Revere.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <54468(14)>; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:33:43 PST Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu ([164.107.8.50]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <56279(11)>; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:52:30 PST Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA27947; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:50:45 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id OAA02529; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:50:41 -0500 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2321 X-NS-Transport-ID: 08002010689200C8198D Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 11:50:41 PST Sender: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: Gary Perlman Subject: Re: Migrating email lists to acm.org In-Reply-to: "<01I0F44KD47S000H21@addvax.llnl.gov> from \"Don Patterson\" at Jan 25, 96 07:37:00 am3!(" To: PATTERSON@addvax.llnl.gov (Don Patterson) cc: eec.chi@xerox.com, infodir_sigchi@acm.org Message-ID: <199601251950.OAA02529@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Status: RO Don Patterson writes: > We have talked for several years about moving the email distribution > lists supported by Xerox to ACM.org at some point - particularly the > public or general access lists. The current volume of email traffic on > these lists (particularly announcements and students) continues to > increase. Nick informs me that the Xerox machines are running out of > cycles to process all the mail in a timely manner. I would also add > that the maintenance burden generated by those lists is very high and > would be eliminated or at least significantly reduced in a listserve > environment. Is there someone on the EEC who is looking at our long > range electronic communications needs who could address this in the > near future? I am the SIGCHI EC contact for this, and with Scott Robertson, our new Information Director, we plan to work out a migration plan. Your note will increase the priority of this item. Off the top of my head, moving the distribution lists (e.g., announcements.chi) should be easy. We are unsure about what to do about moving the nice mail forwarding facility (e.g., perlman.chi@xerox.com) while ACM figures out its policy on these (particularly for non-members of ACM/SIGCHI). It might be a reasonable idea to do the easy part first, which should reduce the load on the xerox machines (assuming that we do not simply transfer over lists of xerox forwarding addresses). Then we could spend some time to figure out what to do about the mail forwarding feature. Maybe our information director could coordinate with Nick to come up with a short term fix for the mailing lists and for a longer term fix for the tricker parts. I would suggest that, for a while, lists like announcements.chi@xerox.com work as a forwarding address to announcements?chi@acm.org. (The ? is due to the fact that I am not sure what character we will end up using -- I hope it's a dot, though). I'll work with Scott to try to come up with more details, like some dates for actually doing things. Gary Perlman, SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications Gary PERLMAN, Computer & Information Science, Ohio State University 395 Dreese Labs, 2015 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Voice: +1-614-292-2566 Fax: +1-614-292-2911 email: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu WWW: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman From kenny@numega.com Thu Jan 25 17:06:50 1996 Received: from iserv.numega.com (iserv.numega.com [204.164.108.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA07969 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:06:46 -0500 Received: from mailgate.numega.com (mailgate.numega.com [204.164.108.29]) by iserv.numega.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA06374; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:05:06 -0500 Received: by mailgate.numega.com with Microsoft Mail id <3107FF12@mailgate.numega.com>; Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:07:14 EST From: Kenny Kutney To: "'perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu'" , "'scottrob@atqm.advtech.uswest.com'" Cc: Christina Gibbs , "'Kate_Ehrlich.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com'" Subject: request for accounts for web dev access Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:02:00 EST Message-ID: <3107FF12@mailgate.numega.com> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO hi scott (& gary) christina and myself would like to have an account set up for us so we can access (write to) the www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ area with the local-sigs page we're developing. we'll need the account name, password, ftp privs, ip address, etc. i think one account (how's local-sigs for a name?) we can share would be fine, but if you'd rather do individuals, i'll defer that call (and the call on the name) to you. thanks, kenny From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue Mar 19 23:09:48 1996 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA13408; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:46 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id XAA07949; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199603200409.XAA07949@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: finally, comments on the web pages Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: O Sorry it took so very, very long, but I've had a series of sinus infections that have plagued me for months now. Overall, by reaction to the pages was, as initially, very positive. I did manage to come up with a couple of hundred lines of comments. These do not amount to major changes, but I wanted to be thorough and provide explanations. The thoroughness issues are based on recent complaints from a variety of sources about the quality of ACM and SIGCHI information and services. I don't want to be found guilty of not trying, although I am willing to be found guilty of making mistakes. How about if you address the following, send me email when you are done, and I will make a quick sanity check before you announce the new pages and make the switch. Gary Take my comments as suggestions. They've been worded as directives only to save me the time of making each one polite. The main quality source I used was at Sun: http://www.sun.com/styleguide/tables/Quality.html When I talk about HTML problems, I may refer to an HTML check, for which I used Weblint: http://www.unipress.com/weblint/ There is also a tool to check all the links: http://imagiware.com/RxHTML.cgi This is useful for pages with lots of links, especially external links: conferences publications resources The results show which failed, and why, and can be followed up individually by clicking. Very nice tool! General comments: How about a background for browsers that support them. They are ignored by other browsers. I suggest white, because it has a clean look. You just need to add it to the tag: I would not fool around with the other attributes. The bottom of the pages have: SIGCHI Information Director: infodir_sigchi@acm.org I'd add some explanatory text: This page maintained by the SIGCHI Information Director: infodir... or Send comment on this page to the SIGCHI Information Director: infodir... I think revision numbers and dates would be good to have at the bottom of each page. These can be generated by RCS, although they are a bit ugly. Perhaps you (or I) could write a script to reformat them as part of the checkout process. I think the date is important because it tells people how recent (or out of date) some information is. I think each page should have a URL for the page, so that if the page is printed, there is a record of how to get back to the page. Counts are available from the ACM web server, in case anyone wants to know how often people are visiting pages (e.g., maybe the local SIGs chair will want to monitor the local-SIGs page). But the only page that I think the members will have an interest in is the home page, so that's the only place I would put a visible counter. Run a spell checker on all pages. I saw some typos: interacctive on the About page I think the elected and adjunct chairs should be more involved in the pages. While they may not be interested in working on the content of pages, they should be mentioned. For example: Membership - adjunct chair for membership Volunteering - adjunct chair for volunteers Publications - Vice-Chair for Publications Local SIGs - adjunct chair for local sigs I think the email addresses should all be logical ones, not direct to the current chairs. Some reasons: the logical email addresses will only need to be changed in one place, when positions change they can be changed so that several people get the mail directed to one address they make it clear that you are writing to a person with a specific role they look more organized Comments about specific pages: Home page: I'd add the word "international" to the list of adjectives I don't think there should be a link in the list to the Development Fund. It is too specific. Perhaps there can be a page for "Involvement" or "Initiatives". For example, a link to the SIGCHI Education Survey would be a good thing to put there. About page: same international comment as above I'd reorder the disciplines: computer science psychology human factors industrial design graphic design (I don't think there should be an s there) cognitive science anthropology *sociology *management science software engineering * indicates an item I added I'd drop: usability engineering (not a separate discipline, IMHO) organization development (not sure what that is) process re-engineering (not on same level as others) Make the phrase: Explore the ACM SIGCHI website a link back to the home page. Membership: The HTML is broken around: The Member Plus Package I don't like the boxing metaphor, and many people will not: you can enter the ring yourself Add a link to the adjunct chair for membership, using the logical email address in the CHI email list, not the email of the current chair. Volunteer: The link to CWI.NL was a bit of a surprise. That connection is often slow, so Id prefer to see a link to the ACM site, or a warning that the link to the form may be slow. There was no info on volunteering, such as: why would someone be a volunteer what sort of volunteering to people do are there any tasks for which people need help ... I think the volunteering form should be secondary to this sort of information. The form is an odd design, with labels after the fields, and a very wide format, which may display poorly on some machines. I think that the volunteers chair should be mentioned on this form. The HTML check showed
    being used incorrectly in forms in several places. Email addresses: Maybe this should be copied over to the SIGCHI directory. It needs some fixes, and is out of date (and will be much more out of date when the mailing lists move from Xerox to ACM. The only major HTML problem was: line 168: odd number of quotes in element ; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 12:55:46 -0500 Received: from [17.255.9.167] (austinmac1.atg.apple.com [17.255.9.167]) by atg.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA26914; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:57:13 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: henderso@atg.apple.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 09:55:38 -0800 To: scottrob@advtech.uswest.com From: henderson@apple.com (Austin Henderson) Subject: "interactions" design awards discussion on the web Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, cherry@ny.hq.acm.org, harry@apple.com, henderson@apple.com, mail@albenfaris.com, marc@burningdoor.com, sevenson@eworld.com, stro@merl.com Status: RO Scott: As a member of the "interactions" design awards committee, I want to explore setting up a discussion on the web at the "interactions" area of the ACM web site. [Scooter Morris tells me that WebCrossing, an application for supporting such threaded discussions on the web, is being ported to the Alpha (it already runs fine on the Mac, of course!) so that it seems that it is, or soon will be, possible technically.] Do we have any experience with creating such discussions at ACM? What will be involved in creating one? I would like to get a quick answer to this, so that we can decide whether to commit to this in print, or just suggest that one may be coming soon. Thanks, Austin o=================================================================o | Austin Henderson | tel: +1-408-974-8034 | | Apple Computer, Inc. | fax: +1-408-974-5505 | | One Infinite Loop, MS 301-4UE | e-mail: henderson@apple.com | | Cupertino, CA 95014 | AppleLink: AHENDERSON | | U.S.A. | | o=================================================================o From marc@burningdoor.com Thu Mar 14 11:10:42 1996 Received: from enteract.com (root@adam.enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA09314 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 11:10:41 -0500 Received: from dick-machine (dialin_20.enteract.com [206.54.253.35]) by enteract.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02933; Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:03:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <314843B2.60A2@burningdoor.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 10:05:06 -0600 From: Marc Rettig Organization: Burning Door Networked Media, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Robertson CC: Austin Henderson , cherry@ny.hq.acm.org, harry@apple.com, mail@albenfaris.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, sevenson@eworld.com, stro@merl.com Subject: Re: "interactions" design aw References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Off-the-shelf discussion engines are getting more numerous and much better. I've found a few good collections of links lately, which should help you in your investigations. For example: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/fd82/ http://freenet.msp.mn.us/people/drwool/webconf.html Motet is quite popular. You can see it in use at Cafe Utne (if you can get registered), and um, I've seen it around a bit. The Cold Fusion Forums product also looks quite nice. We should probably include Michael Clore, the sysadmin of acm.org, in these discussions. He's been working on standard services that people can use when they create content for acm.org, and he may have already thought some about this. We might be able to justify a really nice discussion engine by making it an acm.org resource, not just an interactions thing. This will impose additional requirements, such as member-only forums, password-protected forums, email gateways to discussions, and so on. I think Cold Fusion does most if not all of that. On the other hand, both of the lists I've mentioned point to some free or few-hundred-dollar products which might serve our purposes. I've been looking at a lot of these. Let me know if you want to talk about choices. Hey, if you have downloaded Ubique's Virtual Places client (www.ubique.com), we could take a tour of discussion engines in a chat-space bus! - Marc From fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Thu Mar 21 10:19:33 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA19540 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:19:31 -0500 From: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Received: from Minos.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14722(5)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:18:32 PST Received: from mgm.ctt.bellcore.com ([128.96.128.250]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14889(14)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:14:19 PST Received: from montana.ctt.bellcore.com by mgm.ctt.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA04140 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:13:41 -0500 Received: by montana.ctt.bellcore.com (4.1/Spike-2.2) id AA19990; Thu, 21 Mar 96 10:12:18 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D17C3E Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:12:18 PST Subject: Please look over the SIGCHI volunteer form To: EEC-plus.chi@xerox.com cc: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com (Rodney Fuller) Message-ID: <9603211512.AA19990@montana.ctt.bellcore.com> Status: RO Dear EEC-plus: Steve Anderson and I are working on getting a simple paper/html/email process for volunteering for SIGCHI activities. Our main goals are to "collect, protect, and inform" those interested in volunteering. We want to collect information in a secure and private way. We want to protect the time of thise who submit information so that they are only exposed to valid SIGCHI opportunities. And we want to inform these people when new opportunities come up. We intend to do this by collecting volunteer information into a database; distributing this information based on the person's stated interests; allowing the SIGCHI chairs, conference chairs, and SIGCHI Local SIG chair to browse the database; and using a email distribution list to inform those that want of new opportunities as they arrise. We plan on using both active and passive methods of distributing this call for volunteers: by placing flyers in the CHI packets, using email, and on the web via the new form we are currently developing at: http://www.acm.org:82/~fuller/sign_me_up.html If you (as a member of the EEC) can review the web form and look at the types of volunteer activities we have identified -- and check that this fits your needs for volunteers -- we would appreciate it. We wanted to keep the sign-up simple and do some HCI things to show off. (Please note that the form is not finished and hasn't been spellchecked, etc.) thanks in advance. -- Rodney Fuller Internet: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Internet Business Solutions Voice: +1 (908) 699-3249 Bellcore Fax: +1 (908) 336-6225 RRC 1B-180, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, New Jersey 08854-4182 USA http://http.ctt.bellcore.com/~fuller/ (internal use ONLY) From steven@cwi.nl Thu Mar 21 10:42:43 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id KAA20106 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:42:42 -0500 Received: from Hecuba.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14994(13)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:41:47 PST Received: from hera.cwi.nl ([192.16.191.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15023(5)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:34:53 PST Received: from sijs.cwi.nl by hera.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:34:49 +0100 Received: by sijs.cwi.nl id ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 16:34:49 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D17CFB Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 07:34:49 PST Sender: steven@cwi.nl From: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl Subject: Re: Please look over the SIGCHI volunteer form In-Reply-to: "fuller@ctt.bellcore.com \"Please look over the SIGCHI volunteer form\" (Mar 21, 7:12am)must bre" To: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com cc: EEC-plus.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: <9603211634.ZM20834@sijs.cwi.nl> References: <9603211512.AA19990@montana.ctt.bellcore.com> Status: RO A couple of comments: The address should just be a box, and not several lines. 1. because the way it is now is hard to fill in, and 2. because Dutch postcodes don't go where you ask me to fill it in (a problem throughout SIGCHI and ACM). However, there should be a field for country, because people often forget that. You'll need the email address too, even if the person only wants to be contacted personally: I'd want to be contacted by email, but not on a mailing list. Best wishes, Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl From Darrow@ny.hq.acm.org Thu Mar 21 13:11:33 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA23905 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 13:11:24 -0500 Received: from Dove.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15011(11)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 10:10:10 PST Received: from ACM.ORG ([192.135.174.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15195(13)>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:59:41 PST Received: from NY.hq.acm.org ("port 3814"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I2LLK62O9S0083VH@ACM.ORG>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 11:59:31 -0600 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by NY.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14608; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:38:19 -0500 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <3151C0C2@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:49:06 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 72 TEXT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D181F3 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 12:51:00 PST From: Diane Darrow Subject: RE: Please look over the SIGCHI volunteer form To: "EEC-plus.chi" , fuller cc: fuller (Rodney Fuller) Message-ID: <3151C0C2@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> Status: RO Rodney and Steve, this looks great. I do have some comments, but don't have the time to go through it in detail right now - perhaps it would be appropriate if you linked to the descriptions that are contained on the home page, that would solve alot. The difficulty I have (just briefly reviewing it) is that it recreates information that is found elsewhere and then it will need to updated when that is done for the rest of the info. Another point is that when you mention SIGCHI you should be mentioning ACM SIGCHI (consistently throughout) Let me know what your time table is on this, I'll try to fit in a complete review. Also, you should know that the final program for the CHI96 conference says that SIGCHI is a volunteer driven organization...and people interested in volunteering should speak with the ACM booth personnel. I would like to give the ACM booth volunteer forms, or information about volunteering that they could hand out. Will you and Steve provide that to me....I'll get the duplication done. thanks, diane. See ya soon! p.s. to everyone who hasn't looked at Rodney and Steve's form I encourage you to do so - it is really neat! ---------- From: fuller To: EEC-plus.chi Cc: fuller Subject: Please look over the SIGCHI volunteer form Date: Thursday, March 21, 1996 7:12AM Dear EEC-plus: Steve Anderson and I are working on getting a simple paper/html/email process for volunteering for SIGCHI activities. Our main goals are to "collect, protect, and inform" those interested in volunteering. We want to collect information in a secure and private way. We want to protect the time of thise who submit information so that they are only exposed to valid SIGCHI opportunities. And we want to inform these people when new opportunities come up. We intend to do this by collecting volunteer information into a database; distributing this information based on the person's stated interests; allowing the SIGCHI chairs, conference chairs, and SIGCHI Local SIG chair to browse the database; and using a email distribution list to inform those that want of new opportunities as they arrise. We plan on using both active and passive methods of distributing this call for volunteers: by placing flyers in the CHI packets, using email, and on the web via the new form we are currently developing at: http://www.acm.org:82/~fuller/sign_me_up.html If you (as a member of the EEC) can review the web form and look at the types of volunteer activities we have identified -- and check that this fits your needs for volunteers -- we would appreciate it. We wanted to keep the sign-up simple and do some HCI things to show off. (Please note that the form is not finished and hasn't been spellchecked, etc.) thanks in advance. -- Rodney Fuller Internet: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Internet Business Solutions Voice: +1 (908) 699-3249 Bellcore Fax: +1 (908) 336-6225 RRC 1B-180, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, New Jersey 08854-4182 USA http://http.ctt.bellcore.com/~fuller/ (internal use ONLY) From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Mar 22 23:08:51 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA06337 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 23:08:49 -0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14258; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:08:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04807; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:07:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 22 Mar 1996 21:09:26 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: "interactions" design a To: "Austin Henderson" , "Scott Robertson" Cc: cherry@ny.hq.acm.org, harry@apple.com, henderson@apple.com, mail@albenfaris.com, marc@burningdoor.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, sevenson@eworld.com, stro@merl.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>"interactions" design aw Hi Austin, >Are there >folk who are involved with SIGCHI's web presence and who would like to add >this to their list of activities, as part of SIGCHI's on-going commitment >to support "interactions"? There is someone who just volunteered to help with the Web site. His volunteering e-mail was forwarded on through Rodney Fuller. This might be a good opportunity for him. I have not been able to follow up on this yet, and I will be travelling next week. So it looks like there might be a bit more delay than you expected. Sorry to hold things up. -Scott From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Mar 22 23:31:35 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA06577 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 23:31:25 -0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14298; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04875; Fri, 22 Mar 1996 21:11:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: Date: 22 Mar 1996 21:11:49 -0700 From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: finally, comments on the To: "Gary Perlman" Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>finally, comments on the web pages Gary, Thanks so much for the thorough review. I will be gone during the next week (actually, if there are any emergencies -- perhaps you can follow them up!), but I will go through these comments and get changes made when I return. -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 3/19/96 9:17 PM To: Scott Robertson From: Gary Perlman Sorry it took so very, very long, but I've had a series of sinus infections that have plagued me for months now. Overall, by reaction to the pages was, as initially, very positive. I did manage to come up with a couple of hundred lines of comments. These do not amount to major changes, but I wanted to be thorough and provide explanations. The thoroughness issues are based on recent complaints from a variety of sources about the quality of ACM and SIGCHI information and services. I don't want to be found guilty of not trying, although I am willing to be found guilty of making mistakes. How about if you address the following, send me email when you are done, and I will make a quick sanity check before you announce the new pages and make the switch. Gary Take my comments as suggestions. They've been worded as directives only to save me the time of making each one polite. The main quality source I used was at Sun: http://www.sun.com/styleguide/tables/Quality.html When I talk about HTML problems, I may refer to an HTML check, for which I used Weblint: http://www.unipress.com/weblint/ There is also a tool to check all the links: http://imagiware.com/RxHTML.cgi This is useful for pages with lots of links, especially external links: conferences publications resources The results show which failed, and why, and can be followed up individually by clicking. Very nice tool! General comments: How about a background for browsers that support them. They are ignored by other browsers. I suggest white, because it has a clean look. You just need to add it to the tag: I would not fool around with the other attributes. The bottom of the pages have: SIGCHI Information Director: infodir_sigchi@acm.org I'd add some explanatory text: This page maintained by the SIGCHI Information Director: infodir... or Send comment on this page to the SIGCHI Information Director: infodir... I think revision numbers and dates would be good to have at the bottom of each page. These can be generated by RCS, although they are a bit ugly. Perhaps you (or I) could write a script to reformat them as part of the checkout process. I think the date is important because it tells people how recent (or out of date) some information is. I think each page should have a URL for the page, so that if the page is printed, there is a record of how to get back to the page. Counts are available from the ACM web server, in case anyone wants to know how often people are visiting pages (e.g., maybe the local SIGs chair will want to monitor the local-SIGs page). But the only page that I think the members will have an interest in is the home page, so that's the only place I would put a visible counter. Run a spell checker on all pages. I saw some typos: interacctive on the About page I think the elected and adjunct chairs should be more involved in the pages. While they may not be interested in working on the content of pages, they should be mentioned. For example: Membership - adjunct chair for membership Volunteering - adjunct chair for volunteers Publications - Vice-Chair for Publications Local SIGs - adjunct chair for local sigs I think the email addresses should all be logical ones, not direct to the current chairs. Some reasons: the logical email addresses will only need to be changed in one place, when positions change they can be changed so that several people get the mail directed to one address they make it clear that you are writing to a person with a specific role they look more organized Comments about specific pages: Home page: I'd add the word "international" to the list of adjectives I don't think there should be a link in the list to the Development Fund. It is too specific. Perhaps there can be a page for "Involvement" or "Initiatives". For example, a link to the SIGCHI Education Survey would be a good thing to put there. About page: same international comment as above I'd reorder the disciplines: computer science psychology human factors industrial design graphic design (I don't think there should be an s there) cognitive science anthropology *sociology *management science software engineering * indicates an item I added I'd drop: usability engineering (not a separate discipline, IMHO) organization development (not sure what that is) process re-engineering (not on same level as others) Make the phrase: Explore the ACM SIGCHI website a link back to the home page. Membership: The HTML is broken around: The Member Plus Package I don't like the boxing metaphor, and many people will not: you can enter the ring yourself Add a link to the adjunct chair for membership, using the logical email address in the CHI email list, not the email of the current chair. Volunteer: The link to CWI.NL was a bit of a surprise. That connection is often slow, so Id prefer to see a link to the ACM site, or a warning that the link to the form may be slow. There was no info on volunteering, such as: why would someone be a volunteer what sort of volunteering to people do are there any tasks for which people need help ... I think the volunteering form should be secondary to this sort of information. The form is an odd design, with labels after the fields, and a very wide format, which may display poorly on some machines. I think that the volunteers chair should be mentioned on this form. The HTML check showed
      being used incorrectly in forms in several places. Email addresses: Maybe this should be copied over to the SIGCHI directory. It needs some fixes, and is out of date (and will be much more out of date when the mailing lists move from Xerox to ACM. The only major HTML problem was: line 168: odd number of quotes in element ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22989 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 21:09:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu ("port 3624"@mail.cis.ohio-state.edu) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I2JEB5VJ7W006WK9@ACM.ORG> for infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 22:09:51 -0600 (CDT) Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA13408; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:46 -0500 Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id XAA07949; Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 23:09:43 -0500 From: Gary Perlman Subject: finally, comments on the web pages To: infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Message-id: <199603200409.XAA07949@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT From fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Tue Apr 2 16:39:25 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA29249 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:39:13 -0500 From: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Received: from Hecuba.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15085(8)>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:04:44 PST Received: from mgm.ctt.bellcore.com ([128.96.128.250]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15537(13)>; Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:38:39 PST Received: from montana.ctt.bellcore.com by mgm.ctt.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA27854 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:37:49 -0500 Received: by montana.ctt.bellcore.com (4.1/Spike-2.2) id AA15690; Tue, 2 Apr 96 13:34:18 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D2BFF0 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:34:18 PST Subject: SIGCHI Volunteer Sign-up Form (Short) To: announcements.chi@xerox.com cc: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com (Rodney Fuller) Message-ID: <9604021834.AA15690@montana.ctt.bellcore.com> Status: RO Have you ever wanted to become more involved in SIGCHI? If so, visit our new online application form at: http://www.acm.org:82/~chi-vols/sign_me_up.html Rodney Fuller and Steven Anderson SIGCHI Volunteer Co-chairs -- Rodney Fuller Internet: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Internet Business Solutions Voice: +1 (908) 699-3249 Bellcore Fax: +1 (908) 336-6225 RRC 1B-180, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, New Jersey 08854-4182 USA http://www.acm.org:82/~fuller/ From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Sun Apr 7 13:04:16 1996 Received: from hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu (hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.6]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA20549 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:04:16 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id NAA01409 for perlman; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:04:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:04:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199604071704.NAA01409@hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: HCIBIB ACM.ORG Status: RO Proposal for Moving the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG Gary Perlman, Director, The HCI Bibliography Project April 7, 1996 In my capacity as Director of the HCI Bibliography (HCIBIB), I am proposing that the HCIBIB move to ACM.ORG, to be made available on the WWW in: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcibib Background: The Bibliography has been on the Internet since about 1990 and has been a primary source of bibliographic information for the HCI community. There are over 500 registered users, representing perhaps 10 times that many users. SIGCHI has funded part of the development of the HCIBIB, first by funding a graduate student for a year to help organize the project, and later through the Chair's Discretionary Fund to provide a flatbed scanner for the project. Motivation: The most immediate motivation is that I am leaving OSU, and the HCI Bibliography needs a new home. Another motivation is that the performance and features of the OSU CIS servers have been inadequate, and there have been discussions of moving the HCIBIB to ACM for years. The HCIBIB has been available primarily via ftp, and the OSU CIS ftp server often has sever performance problems. The CIS Web server has often had performance problems, too. Given that ACM SIGCHI has funded the HCIBIB, and that it serves the HCI community (a community SIGCHI wishes to continue to serve), I think it makes sense for the HCIBIB to move to ACM.ORG over other potential sites (e.g., other universities, my next employer, its own server). Stu Zweben (the current ACM President), offered his view that the HCIBIB has, in his mind, always been more associated with SIGCHI than OSU (where he is also the current CIS chair). In addition to simply providing the data in the HCIBIB, the Web server at ACM.ORG could provide more functionality, such as a search service (which the OSU CIS staff have been unwilling to allow), or alternative display formats. This would further enhance SIGCHI's role as THE place to go for HCI information. Legal Issues: The HCI Bibliography Project has obtained written permission from all publishers for which it provides abstracts of publications. Moving the HCI Bibliography Project to ACM.ORG would allow ACM.ORG to provide this service (with the provision that there could be no charge for the service, as per the license agreements). Because of ACM's non-profit status, there should be no complaints from publishers, but in case they might complain, they would be warned in writing in advance of the move. Given the comprehensive nature of the HCI Bibliography, publishers should be willing to continue to allow royalty free distribution of abstracted entries because it serves as a form of free advertising for their publications. The license with publishers contains the condition that there can be no charge for the HCIBIB. ACM may object to this condition, because presumably, it would mean that access to the files could not be restricted to members only. (The reason for the free-distribution condition is that it allowed the HCIBIB to operate without a budget; if we charged for the HCIBIB, the publishers would expect a payment, and the basic nature of the project would change, possibly to one that could not afford to support itself.) Proposed Schedule: Immediately After CHI'96: 1. Move all HCIBIB files to ACM.ORG (about 50 megabytes for working files, 15 megabytes for released). 2. Send written notice to publishers that the HCIBIB is moving. In the Summer: 3. Provide a simple Web and mailserv interface to the HCIBIB, initially without search capabilities (this will not add much space). 4. Request proposals for enhancements to the HCIBIB at ACM.ORG (this may double/triple the size of the released files). Cost Estimates: The main costs are in space and in potential impact on the performance of the Web and mailservers. We do not have good statistics on accesses to the HCIBIB because most accesses have been via anonymous ftp, with is not tracked by the OSU CIS servers. The existing mailserv for the HCIBIB gets an average of less than one request per day for an average of 5-10 files. Given the low cost of storage and the currently minimal mailserv load, the main risk is in load on the ACM Web server. Until there is a perceived problem, I recommend gathering data on number of accesses and load impact, so initially, the cost estimates are at most in the hundreds of dollars. From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Sun Apr 7 14:36:52 1996 Received: from hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu (hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.17.6]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA21550; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:36:51 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id OAA01033; Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:36:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199604071836.OAA01033@hammond.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: post-CHI'96 EEC meeting agenda To: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:36:50 -0500 (EDT) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Atwood" at Apr 1, 96 07:19:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4835 Status: RO I am back from the dead (or sick), I am happy to say. :-) > 08:45 WWW site status Gary & Scott I'd like to discuss and get approval for moving the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG in the SIGCHI area. I have written a first draft proposal. Perhaps it should be distributed ASAP, so I can gather comments from the EEC (particularly Scott Robertson), and perhaps ACM staff. Gary ---------- Proposal for Moving the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG Gary Perlman, Director, The HCI Bibliography Project April 7, 1996 In my capacity as Director of the HCI Bibliography (HCIBIB), I am proposing that the HCIBIB move to ACM.ORG, to be made available on the WWW in: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcibib Background: The Bibliography has been on the Internet since about 1990 and has been a primary source of bibliographic information for the HCI community. There are over 500 registered users, representing perhaps 10 times that many users. SIGCHI has funded part of the development of the HCIBIB, first by funding a graduate student for a year to help organize the project, and later through the Chair's Discretionary Fund to provide a flatbed scanner for the project. Motivation: The most immediate motivation is that I am leaving OSU, and the HCI Bibliography needs a new home. Another motivation is that the performance and features of the OSU CIS servers have been inadequate, and there have been discussions of moving the HCIBIB to ACM for years. The HCIBIB has been available primarily via ftp, and the OSU CIS ftp server often has sever performance problems. The CIS Web server has often had performance problems, too. Given that ACM SIGCHI has funded the HCIBIB, and that it serves the HCI community (a community SIGCHI wishes to continue to serve), I think it makes sense for the HCIBIB to move to ACM.ORG over other potential sites (e.g., other universities, my next employer, its own server). Stu Zweben (the current ACM President), offered his view that the HCIBIB has, in his mind, always been more associated with SIGCHI than OSU (where he is also the current CIS chair). In addition to simply providing the data in the HCIBIB, the Web server at ACM.ORG could provide more functionality, such as a search service (which the OSU CIS staff have been unwilling to allow), or alternative display formats. This would further enhance SIGCHI's role as THE place to go for HCI information. Legal Issues: The HCI Bibliography Project has obtained written permission from all publishers for which it provides abstracts of publications. Moving the HCI Bibliography Project to ACM.ORG would allow ACM.ORG to provide this service (with the provision that there could be no charge for the service, as per the license agreements). Because of ACM's non-profit status, there should be no complaints from publishers, but in case they might complain, they would be warned in writing in advance of the move. Given the comprehensive nature of the HCI Bibliography, publishers should be willing to continue to allow royalty free distribution of abstracted entries because it serves as a form of free advertising for their publications. The license with publishers contains the condition that there can be no charge for the HCIBIB. ACM may object to this condition, because presumably, it would mean that access to the files could not be restricted to members only. (The reason for the free-distribution condition is that it allowed the HCIBIB to operate without a budget; if we charged for the HCIBIB, the publishers would expect a payment, and the basic nature of the project would change, possibly to one that could not afford to support itself.) Proposed Schedule: Immediately After CHI'96: 1. Move all HCIBIB files to ACM.ORG (about 50 megabytes for working files, 15 megabytes for released). 2. Send written notice to publishers that the HCIBIB is moving. In the Summer: 3. Provide a simple Web and mailserv interface to the HCIBIB, initially without search capabilities (this will not add much space). 4. Request proposals for enhancements to the HCIBIB at ACM.ORG (this may double/triple the size of the released files). Cost Estimates: The main costs are in space and in potential impact on the performance of the Web and mailservers. We do not have good statistics on accesses to the HCIBIB because most accesses have been via anonymous ftp, with is not tracked by the OSU CIS servers. The existing mailserv for the HCIBIB gets an average of less than one request per day for an average of 5-10 files. Given the low cost of storage and the currently minimal mailserv load, the main risk is in load on the ACM Web server. Until there is a perceived problem, I recommend gathering data on number of accesses and load impact, so initially, the cost estimates are at most in the hundreds of dollars. From atwood@nynexst.com Mon Apr 8 09:11:04 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA03989 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:11:03 -0400 Received: from RoboCop.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14581(14)>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:10:14 PDT Received: from nynexst.com ([128.209.10.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14620(1)>; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:08:19 PDT Received: from [128.209.16.85] by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA01779; Mon, 8 Apr 96 09:08:16 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D34754 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:09:32 PDT From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: post-CHI'96 EEC meeting agenda To: eec.chi@xerox.com Message-ID: Status: RO All -- I am forwarding a proposal from Gary Perlman which will be discussed at the next EEC meeting. Please forward any comments you have directly to Gary (perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu). Thanks -- Mike . >From: Gary Perlman >Subject: Re: post-CHI'96 EEC meeting agenda >To: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) >Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 14:36:50 -0500 (EDT) >Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman) >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >I am back from the dead (or sick), I am happy to say. :-) > >> 08:45 WWW site status Gary & Scott > >I'd like to discuss and get approval for moving the HCI Bibliography >to ACM.ORG in the SIGCHI area. I have written a first draft proposal. >Perhaps it should be distributed ASAP, so I can gather comments >from the EEC (particularly Scott Robertson), and perhaps ACM staff. > >Gary > >---------- > >Proposal for Moving the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG > >Gary Perlman, Director, The HCI Bibliography Project >April 7, 1996 > >In my capacity as Director of the HCI Bibliography (HCIBIB), >I am proposing that the HCIBIB move to ACM.ORG, >to be made available on the WWW in: > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcibib > >Background: > >The Bibliography has been on the Internet since about 1990 >and has been a primary source of bibliographic information >for the HCI community. There are over 500 registered users, >representing perhaps 10 times that many users. > >SIGCHI has funded part of the development of the HCIBIB, >first by funding a graduate student for a year to help >organize the project, and later through the Chair's Discretionary Fund >to provide a flatbed scanner for the project. > >Motivation: > >The most immediate motivation is that I am leaving OSU, >and the HCI Bibliography needs a new home. >Another motivation is that the performance and features of >the OSU CIS servers have been inadequate, and there have >been discussions of moving the HCIBIB to ACM for years. >The HCIBIB has been available primarily via ftp, >and the OSU CIS ftp server often has sever performance problems. >The CIS Web server has often had performance problems, too. > >Given that ACM SIGCHI has funded the HCIBIB, and that it >serves the HCI community (a community SIGCHI wishes to >continue to serve), I think it makes sense for the HCIBIB >to move to ACM.ORG over other potential sites (e.g., other >universities, my next employer, its own server). >Stu Zweben (the current ACM President), offered his view >that the HCIBIB has, in his mind, always been more associated >with SIGCHI than OSU (where he is also the current CIS chair). > >In addition to simply providing the data in the HCIBIB, >the Web server at ACM.ORG could provide more functionality, >such as a search service (which the OSU CIS staff have been >unwilling to allow), or alternative display formats. This would >further enhance SIGCHI's role as THE place to go for HCI information. > >Legal Issues: > >The HCI Bibliography Project has obtained written permission >from all publishers for which it provides abstracts of publications. >Moving the HCI Bibliography Project to ACM.ORG would allow ACM.ORG >to provide this service (with the provision that there could be >no charge for the service, as per the license agreements). >Because of ACM's non-profit status, there should be no complaints >from publishers, but in case they might complain, they would be >warned in writing in advance of the move. Given the comprehensive >nature of the HCI Bibliography, publishers should be willing to >continue to allow royalty free distribution of abstracted entries >because it serves as a form of free advertising for their publications. > >The license with publishers contains the condition that there can be >no charge for the HCIBIB. ACM may object to this condition, because >presumably, it would mean that access to the files could not be >restricted to members only. (The reason for the free-distribution >condition is that it allowed the HCIBIB to operate without a budget; >if we charged for the HCIBIB, the publishers would expect a payment, >and the basic nature of the project would change, possibly to one >that could not afford to support itself.) > >Proposed Schedule: > >Immediately After CHI'96: > >1. Move all HCIBIB files to ACM.ORG > (about 50 megabytes for working files, 15 megabytes for released). >2. Send written notice to publishers that the HCIBIB is moving. > > >In the Summer: > >3. Provide a simple Web and mailserv interface to the HCIBIB, > initially without search capabilities (this will not add much space). >4. Request proposals for enhancements to the HCIBIB at ACM.ORG > (this may double/triple the size of the released files). > >Cost Estimates: > >The main costs are in space and in potential impact on the performance >of the Web and mailservers. We do not have good statistics on accesses >to the HCIBIB because most accesses have been via anonymous ftp, with >is not tracked by the OSU CIS servers. The existing mailserv for the >HCIBIB gets an average of less than one request per day for an average >of 5-10 files. Given the low cost of storage and the currently minimal >mailserv load, the main risk is in load on the ACM Web server. Until >there is a perceived problem, I recommend gathering data on number of >accesses and load impact, so initially, the cost estimates are at most >in the hundreds of dollars. > ___________________________________________________________________________ Mike Atwood NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com From harning@cbs.dk Wed Apr 10 04:36:53 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id EAA22055 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 04:36:50 -0400 Received: from danpost.uni-c.dk ("port 1912"@danpost.uni-c.dk) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I3D1TNIU54009UAJ@ACM.ORG> for perlman@ACM.ORG; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 03:36:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from merkur.cbs.dk (merkur.cbs.dk [130.226.33.28]) by danpost.uni-c.dk (8.6.4/8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14914 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:36:39 +0200 Received: from iqmb (elrond.ima.cbs.dk) by merkur.cbs.dk with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA079685457; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:37 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:37:37 +0200 From: Morten Borup Harning Subject: 24-org.html suggestions (Re: subscribe request) X-Sender: iqmb@merkur.cbs.dk To: perlman@ACM.ORG Message-id: <199604100836.KAA14914@danpost.uni-c.dk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_829153598==_" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-attachments: C:\DESKTOP\SIGCHI.HTM; Status: RO --=====================_829153598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" May I suggest a change of your explanation of how to register to eg. announcements.chi in 24-org.html in order to avoid misunderstandings like the one below. 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       --=====================_829153598==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morten Borup Harning Copenhagen Business School Ph.D. student, Informatics and Management Accounting Human Computer Interaction Howitzvej 60 DK-2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark E-mail: harning@cbs.dk Telephone (department): +45 3815 2400 Telephone (direct): +45 3815 2431 Fax: +45 3815 2401 http://www.econ.cbs.dk/people/harning --=====================_829153598==_-- From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Tue May 21 11:07:27 1996 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA01142; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:07:27 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id LAA10877; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:07:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:07:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199605211507.LAA10877@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: SIGCHI pages Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: O Hi Scott, I should have gotten back to you sooner, but here we are, a month after CHI'96. Some people were surprised by your absence at the extended SIGCHI meeting after the conference. It would have been useful for us to know that you were not planning on attending. The main issue I'd like to bring up now is the release of the new SIGCHI pages. It's been two months since I sent my comments to you about the pages and they have not yet been released. Is there anything that I can do to help? Would it be useful for there to be more than one person as information director, such as a person to serve as the SIGCHI webmaster while you served as a supervisor for that and other information director activities? Gary PS: About the Pages: I think it is critical for the consistency of the pages for there to be a tool to create the pages from the basic content. A "wrapper" tool would put the right initial and ending stuff on each file, based on a template for each. For example, to create the membership.html page, the main body of the page might be kept in membership.body, and there would be a command like: sigchipage membership "Membership" which would do something like: #! /bin/sh URL="http://www.acm.org/sigchi/$1.html" mailto="$ attribs='bgcolor="ffffff"' echo "ACM SIGCHI $2" echo "" sigchibuttons $* # use $1 to decide which buttons to show cat "$1.body" lines=`wc -l < $1.body` # get length of main body of page if test $lines -gt 30 # or some other criterion then sigchibuttons $* # repeat buttons in larger pages fi sigchitrailer $* # might include infodir AND relevant offcial(s) From David.Novick@onecert.fr Tue May 28 11:25:10 1996 Received: from tls-cs1.cert.fr (tls-cs1.cert.fr [134.212.190.2]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA27313 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 11:25:08 -0400 Received: (uucp@localhost) by tls-cs1.cert.fr (8.6.9/8.5) id RAA24744; Tue, 28 May 1996 17:25:11 +0200 Received: from euryale.onecert.fr(134.212.191.101) by tls-cs1.cert.fr via smap (V1.3) id sma024738; Tue May 28 17:25:07 1996 Received: from [134.212.191.110] (macklaud) by euryale.onecert.fr (5.x/CERT1.0) id AA03347; Tue, 28 May 1996 17:25:18 +0200 X-Sender: novick@eurydice.onecert.fr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1378821548==_============" X-Mailer: Eudora F1.5.3 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 17:29:08 +0100 To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu From: David.Novick@onecert.fr (David G. Novick) Subject: Winter School blurb Status: RO --============_-1378821548==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gary-- On behalf of Guy Boy, who is organizing the EURISCO/SIGCHI "Winter School" on Human-Centered Design of Organizational Memory Systems, I'm sending you an RTF file of the announcement. Guy would very much like to have this be part of the SIGCHI Web pages; I don't see an obvious place for it, but I hoping you can figure out a good place to put it (or maybe change "conferences" to "events"?). Thanks for helping out with this. If you'd rather have a plain-text or html-encoded file, please let me know. 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Novick Senior Scientist European Institute Of Cognitive Science and Engineering - EURISCO - 4 av. E. Belin FR- 31400 Toulouse E-mail: David.Novick@onecert.fr --============_-1378821548==_============-- From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Thu May 23 13:46:05 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA02593 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:46:03 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28506; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07275; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 23 May 1996 11:47:35 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Web Crossing To: "Austin Henderson" , "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: Web Crossing Hi Austin & Gary, I have ftp'd a demo copy of Web Crossing to our server and I'll work on installing it today. Sorry it took so long. From what I can tell, it will cost $695 to certify the UNIX version and turn the demo into a real thing. How can I go about getting this approved? I can send a P.O.# through the web to the Web Crossing folks. Thanks, -Scott From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Thu May 23 17:27:24 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id RAA10317 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:27:23 -0400 Received: from Revere.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15304(7)>; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:26:21 PDT Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14510(5)>; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:23:52 PDT Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02327 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14310 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:23:48 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D7C38F Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 16:26:16 PDT From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: website redisign To: "SIGCHI EEC" Message-ID: Status: RO REGARDING website redisign EEC members, I have made most of the modifications that Gary Perlman sent to me in March on the new website design . Thanks very much, Gary, for the review -- the site looks much better. There are just a couple of things that I didn't address that will take a little time. I'm hoping that the EEC will say "go ahead" with the pages as they are now -- and I'll work on the updates. Mostly what isn't addressed is the Officers page. This definitely needs to be gone over. The email addresses need updating, too. But this is the page that is available now, so I think that we should go ahead with the new design while I work on this page. Please check it out starting at: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/Homepage-new.html NOTE THAT THE SIGCHI ICON AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE WILL SEND YOU TO THE OLD HOMEPAGE UNTIL THE NEW ONE REPLACES IT. Thanks, -Scott From henderso@atg.apple.com Thu May 23 21:19:18 1996 Received: from atg.apple.com (atg.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA19591 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 21:19:17 -0400 Received: from [17.255.9.168] (austinmac2.atg.apple.com [17.255.9.168]) by atg.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03259; Thu, 23 May 1996 18:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605240113.SAA03259@atg.apple.com> Subject: Interactions"Quality of Experience" web discussion Date: Thu, 23 May 96 18:19:57 -0500 x-sender: henderso@atg.apple.com From: Austin Henderson To: "Rodney Fuller" , "Tony Fernandez" , "Austin Henderson" , "Diane Darrow" , , "Scott Robertson" , "Gary Perlman" , "Michael Clore" , "Jim Miller" , "Steven Cherry" , "Larry Koved" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Status: RO Folk: Here's the state of play with respect to the "interaction" Quality of Experience web discusssion. Jim Miller, who has SIGCHI budget for such things, has agreed to purchase the WebCrossing software. Steve Cherry has approved our having such a discussion associated with "interactions" awards. Wayne Graves, manager of MIS at ACM, has asked Michael Clore of acm.org to help us get it set up. Michael has agreed to help a volunteer get registered and set up and maintaint the software. Scott Robertson says: " I have ftp'd a demo copy of Web Crossing to our server and I'll work on installing it today. Sorry it took so long. From what I can tell, it will cost $695 to certify the UNIX version and turn the demo into a real thing. How can I go about getting this approved? I can send a P.O.# through the web to the Web Crossing folks. " Rodney Fuller has written a description of two things: a generic role of "ACM SIGCHI Discussion Mediator", and then a specific one for "The Quality of Interaction Experience Discussion Mediator". (See below). Tony Fernandez has agreed to be the first The Quality of Interaction Experience Discussion Mediator. Scott has suggested Larry Koved as someone who can handle the technical maintenance of the WebCrossing software for theis discussion. Machael Clore has inquired whether this role might be expended to cover other discussions. NAME: Larry Koved ADDRESS: IBM Research P.O. Box 218 Yorktown Heights, New York 10598 COUNTRY: USA EMAIL: Change if your email address is not: Larry_Koved.chi@xerox.com OCCUPATION: Research Staff Member PHONE NUMBER: 1-914-945-1835 FAX NUMBER: 1-914-945-4297 ====== Everybody seems keen to have this happen. So as I see it, here are the next steps. 1) Scott should put Larry in touch with Michael. 2) Scott should turn over to Michael and Larry the job of getting WebCrossing set up. 3) Larry should work with Jim Miller to make the purchase. 4) WebCrossing should get set up. 5) When all this has happened, and we are ready to go technically, Tony Fernandez should send out a message to Announcements.chi inviting people to join the discussion. 6) A report of how this all goes should be prepared by Larry and Michael, with comments from the rest of us, and presented up the through the reporting chain to the SIGCHI Executive Committee Meeting in December, and to Steven Cherry at "interactions. Comments? What have I missed? I suggest: 1) Keep your eyes on the e-mail in case anybody thingks we should adjust this. 2) Start acting on these steps immediately on the assumption that this is probably about right. You will find everybody's e-mail addresses above, so that should help make this happen. Austin (ad hoc discussion activist) ======== Volunteer Position: ACM SIGCHI Discussion Mediator 1. The mediator's main focus will be to help participants structure the flow of the discussion by identifying issues in messages and sequencing them so that the volume or length of messages does not overwhelm those users with the lowest level of technology support (assume a vt-100 terminal with a bad mailer, or a text-only capable web browser). One way that this can be done is to simply identify ideas as the discussion progresses and keep a "list of identified issues" that is posted periodically (as a form of organizational memory). 2. The mediator should encourage (both privately and publicly) that participants with demonstrated experience, but who might lack the professional support, training, experience or time to express their ideas simply (e.g. they tell "war stories" without giving a one line summary of the issue), to summarize and condense their perspective until it can be added to a list of issues and understood by the others interested in that issue. 3. The mediator can request that established professionals participate for short periods of time when there is an issue that relates to their work, or invite professionals with divergent experience if the discussion is (in the mediator's opinion) too homogeneous about an issue. Participation in this type of activity is left to the discretion (and time) of the mediator. An example of how this *might* occur can be found at: http://is.twi.tudelft.nl/hci/Discussion-Norman/maillist.html. 4. The mediator will serve as a collection point for complaints about the software that controls the discussion, the human factors of the web-crossing interface, and the ability/inability to access information being discussed. If, in the mediator's opinion, the discussion is poorly supported (in software, administrative actions, memory, CPU resources, etc.) then the mediator can stop the discussion and suggest that changes be made to the SIGCHI Information Director. 5. In extreme cases the mediator can ask that a participant be removed from the discussion if that person has expressed consistent, damaging, unreasonable ideas that attack an individual, or the field of HCI as a whole. At no time can someone be removed because they express consistent, damaging, unreasonable ideas about a HCI related concept or an organization in the field. 6. Above all, the mediator will strive to create a discussion atmosphere that respects professional and cultural differences. This is not to say that all participants should agree, or that every idea is of equal worth, but that the participants should respect differences in expertise, professions, media used to express ideas, and variability in the level of detail offered by different participants on any given topic. The mediator should strive to help the other participants recognize that just because one person "glossed over" an issue does not mean that they don't consider it important, or would if they had different experience or training. Issues Specific to One Discussion: The "Quality of Interaction Experience" Discussion: The interactions awards are based on, and are committed to developing, a definition of Quality of Experience in Interaction. The "interactions awards web discussion forum" is charged with housing and encouraging discussion on this issue within the HCI community. The mediator is chartered by the "interactions Management Board" to mediate this discussion for "interactions" Magazine." The mediator will answer to the "interactions" Board, and will address issues of technical support to the SIGCHI Information Director (infodir_sigchi@acm.org). A. The mediator will be in place for one year, with the year ending three weeks after the CHI conference. If the mediator is willing, and the interactions Design Award Board approves, the mediator may remain for an additional year. B. If the debate on "Quality and Interaction" has (in the opinion of the Interactions Design Award Board) significantly improved the judging process, the mediator (and any invited discussion participants) can summarize their major accomplishments of the year in a 6500 word essay to be published in the Awards issue of the magazine ACM interactions. o-----------------------------------------------------------------o Austin Henderson \\ tel: +1-408-974-8034 Apple Computer, Inc. \\ fax: +1-408-974-5505 One Infinite Loop, MS 301-4UE \\ e-mail: henderson@apple.com Cupertino, CA 95014 \\ AppleLink: AHENDERSON U.S.A. o-----------------------------------------------------------------o From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Jun 7 12:52:12 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA07630 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:52:10 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22645; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23589; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 7 Jun 1996 10:51:38 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of To: "Austin Henderson" , "Diane Darrow" , "Gary Perlman" , infodir_sigchi@acm.org, "Jim Miller" , "Michael Clore" , "Rodney Fuller" , "Scott Robertson" , "Tony Fernandez" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO RE>>Interactions"Quality of Experience"... 06/07/1996 Hi folks, I installed and started up Web Crossings, and it actually works (demo version). Let's give it a test run for a couple of days while I dig up a hardcopy license agreement to run by Jim and Diane. The demo copy can have three users, the "sysop" (me), and two others who have to register. Which two people would like to try it out? One caveat, before I read the instructions and limitations, I registered myself, so one of the users has to be "Scott Robertson" with the password "Penny". The URL is: http://www.acm.org/turing/sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi? If we like it, and we certify it to allow more users, then I'll make a link from our site and a page describing what to do. -Scott From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Jun 7 12:59:03 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA07804 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:59:02 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22797; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:58:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24008; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 7 Jun 1996 11:01:37 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of To: "Diane Darrow" , "Diane Darrow" , "Jim Miller" Cc: "Austin Henderson" , "Gary Perlman" , "henderso" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: O Reply to: RE>>Interactions"Quality of Experience" web discussion Diane & Jim, The WebX software is downloaded online, and there is an online order form. Would it suffice to send Diane a print out of the online order form in place of an invoice? The online order form requires a P.O number, so we'd need to generate a P.O. -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 05/24/1996 8:01 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Diane Darrow Hi All, if someone will send me the invoice for the software (and Jim approves this to be done) I will process it for payment. My address is Diane Darrow, ACM, 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036. I need an original invoice and cannot accept an electronic or fax invoice. thanks,diane. ---------- From: henderso To: Rodney Fuller; Tony Fernandez; Austin Henderson; Diane Darrow; infodir_sigchi; Scott Robertson; Gary Perlman; Michael Clore; Jim Miller; Steven Cherry; Larry Koved Subject: Interactions"Quality of Experience" web discussion Date: Thursday, May 23, 1996 6:19PM Folk: Here's the state of play with respect to the "interaction" Quality of Experience web discusssion. Jim Miller, who has SIGCHI budget for such things, has agreed to purchase the WebCrossing software. Steve Cherry has approved our having such a discussion associated with "interactions" awards. Wayne Graves, manager of MIS at ACM, has asked Michael Clore of acm.org to help us get it set up. Michael has agreed to help a volunteer get registered and set up and maintaint the software. Scott Robertson says: " I have ftp'd a demo copy of Web Crossing to our server and I'll work on installing it today. Sorry it took so long. From what I can tell, it will cost $695 to certify the UNIX version and turn the demo into a real thing. How can I go about getting this approved? I can send a P.O.# through the web to the Web Crossing folks. " Rodney Fuller has written a description of two things: a generic role of "ACM SIGCHI Discussion Mediator", and then a specific one for "The Quality of Interaction Experience Discussion Mediator". (See below). Tony Fernandez has agreed to be the first The Quality of Interaction Experience Discussion Mediator. Scott has suggested Larry Koved as someone who can handle the technical maintenance of the WebCrossing software for theis discussion. Machael Clore has inquired whether this role might be expended to cover other discussions. NAME: Larry Koved ADDRESS: IBM Research P.O. Box 218 Yorktown Heights, New York 10598 COUNTRY: USA EMAIL: Change if your email address is not: Larry_Koved.chi@xerox.com OCCUPATION: Research Staff Member PHONE NUMBER: 1-914-945-1835 FAX NUMBER: 1-914-945-4297 ====== Everybody seems keen to have this happen. So as I see it, here are the next steps. 1) Scott should put Larry in touch with Michael. 2) Scott should turn over to Michael and Larry the job of getting WebCrossing set up. 3) Larry should work with Jim Miller to make the purchase. 4) WebCrossing should get set up. 5) When all this has happened, and we are ready to go technically, Tony Fernandez should send out a message to Announcements.chi inviting people to join the discussion. 6) A report of how this all goes should be prepared by Larry and Michael, with comments from the rest of us, and presented up the through the reporting chain to the SIGCHI Executive Committee Meeting in December, and to Steven Cherry at "interactions. Comments? What have I missed? I suggest: 1) Keep your eyes on the e-mail in case anybody thingks we should adjust this. 2) Start acting on these steps immediately on the assumption that this is probably about right. You will find everybody's e-mail addresses above, so that should help make this happen. Austin (ad hoc discussion activist) ======== Volunteer Position: ACM SIGCHI Discussion Mediator 1. The mediator's main focus will be to help participants structure the flow of the discussion by identifying issues in messages and sequencing them so that the volume or length of messages does not overwhelm those users with the lowest level of technology support (assume a vt-100 terminal with a bad mailer, or a text-only capable web browser). One way that this can be done is to simply identify ideas as the discussion progresses and keep a "list of identified issues" that is posted periodically (as a form of organizational memory). 2. The mediator should encourage (both privately and publicly) that participants with demonstrated experience, but who might lack the professional support, training, experience or time to express their ideas simply (e.g. they tell "war stories" without giving a one line summary of the issue), to summarize and condense their perspective until it can be added to a list of issues and understood by the others interested in that issue. 3. The mediator can request that established professionals participate for short periods of time when there is an issue that relates to their work, or invite professionals with divergent experience if the discussion is (in the mediator's opinion) too homogeneous about an issue. Participation in this type of activity is left to the discretion (and time) of the mediator. An example of how this *might* occur can be found at: http://is.twi.tudelft.nl/hci/Discussion-Norman/maillist.html. 4. The mediator will serve as a collection point for complaints about the software that controls the discussion, the human factors of the web-crossing interface, and the ability/inability to access information being discussed. If, in the mediator's opinion, the discussion is poorly supported (in software, administrative actions, memory, CPU resources, etc.) then the mediator can stop the discussion and suggest that changes be made to the SIGCHI Information Director. 5. In extreme cases the mediator can ask that a participant be removed from the discussion if that person has expressed consistent, damaging, unreasonable ideas that attack an individual, or the field of HCI as a whole. At no time can someone be removed because they express consistent, damaging, unreasonable ideas about a HCI related concept or an organization in the field. 6. Above all, the mediator will strive to create a discussion atmosphere that respects professional and cultural differences. This is not to say that all participants should agree, or that every idea is of equal worth, but that the participants should respect differences in expertise, professions, media used to express ideas, and variability in the level of detail offered by different participants on any given topic. The mediator should strive to help the other participants recognize that just because one person "glossed over" an issue does not mean that they don't consider it important, or would if they had different experience or training. Issues Specific to One Discussion: The "Quality of Interaction Experience" Discussion: The interactions awards are based on, and are committed to developing, a definition of Quality of Experience in Interaction. The "interactions awards web discussion forum" is charged with housing and encouraging discussion on this issue within the HCI community. The mediator is chartered by the "interactions Management Board" to mediate this discussion for "interactions" Magazine." The mediator will answer to the "interactions" Board, and will address issues of technical support to the SIGCHI Information Director (infodir_sigchi@acm.org). A. The mediator will be in place for one year, with the year ending three weeks after the CHI conference. If the mediator is willing, and the interactions Design Award Board approves, the mediator may remain for an additional year. B. If the debate on "Quality and Interaction" has (in the opinion of the Interactions Design Award Board) significantly improved the judging process, the mediator (and any invited discussion participants) can summarize their major accomplishments of the year in a 6500 word essay to be published in the Awards issue of the magazine ACM interactions. o-----------------------------------------------------------------o Austin Henderson \\ tel: +1-408-974-8034 Apple Computer, Inc. \\ fax: +1-408-974-5505 One Infinite Loop, MS 301-4UE \\ e-mail: henderson@apple.com Cupertino, CA 95014 \\ AppleLink: AHENDERSON U.S.A. o-----------------------------------------------------------------o ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by atqm.advtech.uswest.com with SMTP;24 May 1996 08:00:07 -0700 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27184 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 07:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10040 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 07:56:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.hq.acm.org ("port 1628"@hq.acm.org) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I52TSXAEKK00AARN@ACM.ORG>; Fri, 24 May 1996 08:56:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org by mail.hq.acm.org (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22563; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:32:39 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <31A5E9FA@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Darrow Subject: RE: Interactions"Quality of Experience" web discussion To: Steven Cherry , Michael Clore , Diane Darrow , Rodney Fuller , henderso , Austin Henderson , infodir_sigchi , Jim Miller , Larry Koved , Gary Perlman To: Scott Robertson , Tony Fernandez Message-id: <31A5E9FA@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Encoding: 187 TEXT From clore@acm.org Fri Jun 7 13:17:11 1996 Received: from mail.HQ.ACM.ORG ([199.222.74.36]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA08209 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:17:10 -0400 Received: from [152.161.2.196] (clore.ansremote.com [152.161.2.196]) by mail.HQ.ACM.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11658; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:50:48 -0400 X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:22:06 -0700 To: Scott Robertson , Austin Henderson , Diane Darrow , Gary Perlman , infodir_sigchi@acm.org, Jim Miller , Michael Clore , Rodney Fuller , Tony Fernandez From: Michael Clore Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of Status: O Scott, Hi. At 10:51 AM +0800 6/7/96, Scott Robertson wrote: > RE>>Interactions"Quality of Experience"... >06/07/1996 > >Hi folks, > >I installed and started up Web Crossings Great. >... >If we like it, and we certify it to allow more users, then I'll make a link >from our site and a page describing what to do. There is a little usability issue here. If at all possible, the username and password that people need to use Web Crossing should be the same that they use to access our other on-line services. Having more than one username/password combo will be fairly painfull. People hate the idea of having just one. Does Web Crossing have a utility that will allow us to add username and password into the package? So, when someone create an ACM account, they get added automatically, by some custom script, to the Web Crossings user database. I am also guessing that when you register, the end users provide an email address and a real name, maybe some other stuff. Can we update that info using a script too? Another goal is for our members to only have to update their personal info, like email address, in one spot (there could be many spots though). Since the other on-line services will be automatically updated, it could be confusing if we have some applications that do and some that don't get updated. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Jun 7 13:41:49 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA08756 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23820; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25823; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:38:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 7 Jun 1996 11:41:52 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of To: "Austin Henderson" , "Diane Darrow" , "Gary Perlman" , infodir_sigchi@ACM.ORG, "Jim Miller" , "Michael Clore" , "Rodney Fuller" , "Scott Robertson" , "Tony Fernandez" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: O Reply to: RE>>Interactions"Quality of Hi Michael, >If at all possible, the username and >password that people need to use Web Crossing should be the same that they >use to access our other on-line services. Having more than one >username/password >combo will be fairly painfull. People hate the idea of having just one. New users register themselves, so there is no problem with having the same user name and password (or different ones, if that's what they want). It would be good, however, to allow people to register an ACM user name and password somewhere, and then just select the services they want. >Does Web Crossing have a utility that will allow us to add username and >password >into the package? So, when someone create an ACM account, they get added >automatically, by some custom script, to the Web Crossings user database. We can add user names and passwords through a web browser tool, so it's probably not too much of a stretch to write a script to use the same cgi-bin script to update the user database. I haven't looked at the user database at all, but chances are that we could update it ourselves once we knew how it was structured. >I am also guessing that when you register, the end users provide an email >address >and a real name, maybe some other stuff. Can we update that info using a >script too? >Another goal is for our members to only have to update their personal info, >like >email address, in one spot (there could be many spots though). Since the other >on-line services will be automatically updated, it could be confusing if we >have some applications that do and some that don't get updated. Yea, users provide a name and email. The email is used, I think, to mail their passwords to them if they forget. Anyway, I agree that it would be good to update emails automatically. -Scott From fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Fri Jun 7 14:59:04 1996 Received: from mgm.ctt.bellcore.com (mgm.ctt.bellcore.com [128.96.128.250]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA10531 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:59:03 -0400 From: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Received: from montana.ctt.bellcore.com by mgm.ctt.bellcore.com with SMTP id AA27723 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:58:18 -0400 Received: by montana.ctt.bellcore.com (4.1/Spike-2.2) id AA09805; Fri, 7 Jun 96 14:58:31 EDT Message-Id: <9606071858.AA09805@montana.ctt.bellcore.com> Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of To: clore@acm.org (Michael Clore) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 14:58:31 EDT Cc: scottrob@advtech.uswest.com, henderson@apple.com, darrow@acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, jmiller@apple.com, clore@acm.org, fuller@ctt.bellcore.com, tony@netscape.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Michael Clore" at Jun 7, 96 10:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Mike Clore writes: > At 10:51 AM +0800 6/7/96, Scott Robertson wrote: > > > >I installed and started up Web Crossings > > There is a little usability issue here. If at all possible, the username and > password that people need to use Web Crossing should be the same that they > use to access our other on-line services. Having more than one > username/password > combo will be fairly painfull. People hate the idea of having just one. > > Does Web Crossing have a utility that will allow us to add username and > password > into the package? So, when someone create an ACM account, they get added > automatically, by some custom script, to the Web Crossings user database. I'm at PacBell all this month (and maybe the rest of the summer) so I'm webless, but I was wondering if we were thinking of restricting access to web crossing just to SIGCHI members. If I remember right--you must use your ACM member number to get an acm userid. And If we restrict the users of web crossing to acm members we will miss a [significant ?] portion of the users we want to target. Is the plan to restrict users to SIGCHI/ACM people? or have it open to all? -- Rodney Fuller Internet: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com Internet Business Solutions Voice: +1 (908) 699-3249 Bellcore Fax: +1 (908) 336-6225 RRC 1B-180, 444 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, New Jersey 08854-4182 USA http://http.ctt.bellcore.com/~fuller/ (internal use ONLY) From clore@acm.org Fri Jun 7 15:20:55 1996 Received: from mail.HQ.ACM.ORG ([199.222.74.36]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA11033 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:20:54 -0400 Received: from [152.161.2.196] (clore.ansremote.com [152.161.2.196]) by mail.HQ.ACM.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12657; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:51:54 -0400 X-Sender: clore@pascal.acm.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9606071858.AA09805@montana.ctt.bellcore.com> References: ; from "Michael Clore" at Jun 7, 96 10:22 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:23:14 -0700 To: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com From: Michael Clore Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of Cc: scottrob@advtech.uswest.com, henderson@apple.com, darrow@acm.org, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, jmiller@apple.com, clore@acm.org, tony@netscape.com Status: RO At 2:58 PM -0400 6/7/96, fuller@ctt.bellcore.com wrote: >... >If I remember right--you must use your ACM member number to get an acm userid. >And If we restrict the users of web crossing to acm members we will miss >a [significant ?] portion of the users we want to target. > >Is the plan to restrict users to SIGCHI/ACM people? or have it open to all? You're right. Currently, an ACM member (or subscriber) number is required. If it needs to be open to the public, I would be willing to go ahead and finish the module that allows non-members/subscribers to set up an ID. Michael Allen Clore |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation" Fax/Data:520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716) Voice:520-290-4147; Internet:clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/ From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri Jun 7 15:44:27 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA11591 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:44:26 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25778; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29414; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 7 Jun 1996 13:46:47 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of To: fuller@ctt.bellcore.com, "Michael Clore" Cc: clore@acm.org, darrow@acm.org, henderson@apple.com, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, jmiller@apple.com, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, scottrob@advtech.uswest.com, tony@netscape.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>Interactions"Quality of Rodney asks: >...I was wondering if we were thinking of restricting access to web >crossing just to SIGCHI members............... >Is the plan to restrict users to SIGCHI/ACM people? or have it open to all? I think it would be difficult to restrict access. As far as I can tell, anyone can register and participate in forums. If we want to restrict access, then we'd have to do it at the server level (people would get a login box when they loaded the page) and then they would have to log in twice (yuk). It seems like we want to make this as widely accessible as possible -- maybe even using it to attract people to ACM SIGCHI. My suggestion for the short term would be to leave Web Crossing as an unintegated application, with its own registrataion procedure open to everyone. Among other things, this means we could use it more quickly since there'd be no script writing and database mucking. In the long run, we can think about aligning it better with ACMs other online services. -Scott From henderso@atg.apple.com Sat Jun 8 15:10:16 1996 Received: from atg.apple.com (atg.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA15733 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from [17.130.22.86] (A17-130-22-86.apple.com [17.130.22.86]) by atg.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA10006; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 12:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606081902.MAA10006@atg.apple.com> Subject: Re: Interactions"Quality of Date: Sat, 8 Jun 96 12:09:14 -0000 x-sender: henderso@atg.apple.com From: Austin Henderson To: "Rodney Fuller" , "Michael Clore" cc: "Scott Robertson" , "Diane Darrow" , "Gary Perlman" , , "Jim Miller" , "Tony Fernandez" , "Austin Henderson" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Status: RO Folk: I have no power to authorize non-ACM folk getting access to the discussion through acm./org. However, it is to ACM's interest to have non-ACM folk take part in the discussion, and maybe subscribe to interactions or become an ACM member. Steve should approve that interactions would like that; and Mike Clore could push for approval. I think. Thanks everyone for working on this. Austin o-----------------------------------------------------------------o Austin Henderson \\ tel: +1-408-974-8034 Apple Computer, Inc. \\ fax: +1-408-974-5505 One Infinite Loop, MS 301-4UE \\ e-mail: henderson@apple.com Cupertino, CA 95014 \\ AppleLink: AHENDERSON U.S.A. o-----------------------------------------------------------------o From steven@cwi.nl Fri May 24 04:09:23 1996 Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id EAA26464 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:09:23 -0400 Received: from Maverick.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <15150(8)>; Fri, 24 May 1996 01:07:02 PDT Received: from hera.cwi.nl ([192.16.191.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15385(5)>; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:59:54 PDT Received: from sijs.cwi.nl by hera.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:59:54 +0200 Received: by sijs.cwi.nl id ; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:59:20 +0200 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500D7CDC0 Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:59:20 PDT Sender: steven@cwi.nl From: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl Subject: Re: website redisign In-Reply-to: "\"Scott Robertson\" \"website redisign\" (May 23, 4:26pm) you eve" To: "Scott Robertson" cc: "SIGCHI EEC" Message-ID: <9605240959.ZM3048@sijs.cwi.nl> References: Status: RO Hi there, Nice work! Here are a few comments: The link to CACM on http://www.acm.org/sigchi/membership/ doesn't work. On http://www.acm.org/sigchi/local-sigs/ the link to CHI97 goes to CHI96. THe logo is different. On http://www.acm.org/sigchi/officers/ Guy Boy's email address is wrong. It is guy_boy.chi@xerox.com for some reason. I thought Steve Anderson was Volunteers co-chair. There are at least 2 names missing from the CMC. The local SIGs chair has changed Susan Wolfe's email address doesn't need to be in capitals (wolfe_susan@tandem.com is fine). http://www.io.tudelft.nl/uidesign/ is a good HCI-related site. You might also want to check things mentioned on http://www.usernomics.com/hci.html Best wishes, Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl From BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Tue May 28 20:11:43 1996 Received: from portal2.ameritech.com (portal2.ameritech.com [198.186.232.49]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA16519 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 20:11:37 -0400 From: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Received: by portal2.ameritech.com id AA26519 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu); Tue, 28 May 1996 20:11:27 -0400 Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 28 May 1996 20:11:27 -0400 Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 28 May 1996 20:11:27 -0400 Date: 28 May 96 17:48:45 -0500 Sender: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: contact list on web? Message-Id: Status: RO Gary - I'm tired of trying to get everything just perfect on my EEC contact list. Can we put it in a private spot on the SIGCHI web site where just members of the EEC can get to it to use, and can update it themselves? I've got the expertise here to create the site (html using forms plus perl scripting), but my contact here tells me we need perl plus supervisor access of some sort (or for you to do the installing). If this looks OK, I'll be doing most of the work myself. I know some html, but not perl. I can do a variation on an existing similar site my contact has, and he'll help me with the perl. thanks - Barbee From perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Thu Jun 27 12:16:02 1996 Received: from indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.137.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA13504; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:15:57 -0400 From: Gary Perlman Received: (perlman@localhost) by indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id MAA10870; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:15:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199606271615.MAA10870@indiana.cis.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: contact list on web? To: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:15:56 -0500 (EDT) Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu (Gary Perlman), infodir_sigchi@acm.org In-Reply-To: from "BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com" at May 28, 96 05:48:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1797 Status: O > I'm tired of trying to get everything just perfect on my EEC > contact list. Can we put it in a private spot on the SIGCHI web > site where just members of the EEC can get to it to use, and can > update it themselves? I've got the expertise here to create the > site (html using forms plus perl scripting), but my contact here > tells me we need perl plus supervisor access of some sort (or for > you to do the installing). If this looks OK, I'll be doing most > of the work myself. I know some html, but not perl. I can do a > variation on an existing similar site my contact has, and he'll > help me with the perl. I am sorry to have taken so long to respond to this. I think Scott Robertson is the right person to contact infodir_sigchi@acm.org to set up an account for you or your designee. I am cc'ing Scott on this. Scott wil chat with you or your person and then contact Michael Clore at ACM to set up an account. I propose that you set things up in the SIGCHI area, but under password protected access. The sigchi web site is on turing.acm.org (a DEC UNIX box). The sigchi files are in /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi. I propose placing all eec stuff in /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/eec/ so the generated contact list would be in something like: /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/eec/contact.html which we would access via http://www.acm.org/sigchi/eec/contact.html I would assume that each person would be able to change their own entries, and that someone like you or your designee could change any of them. ACM SIGCHI memebrs can obtain a user name and a password (for accessing the SIGCHI Bulletin), so I assume that the same name and password could be used for accessing and changing the protected data. A control file of people who have access to the file will have to be created, I think. GarY From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Tue Jul 2 11:45:40 1996 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA16451 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:45:19 -0400 Received: from bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with ESMTP id LAA16987 sender instone ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:43:35 -0400 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.10) id LAA00990; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:44:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:44:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199607021544.LAA00990@bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu> To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, perlman@oclc.org Subject: Re: SIGCHI HCI VL Cc: robertson.chi@xerox.com, hcivl@cs.bgsu.edu Status: RO Gary, I have a quick prototype of the new HCI VL up at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcivl/ : you'll need frames and JavaScript for now (will add a more universal version later). I hope it is a unique, interesting and usable design. I am doing three things at once: elevating my HCI VL to be a meta-index, placing it under the SIGCHI name, and totally redesigning it. Feel free to pass the URL on to CHI EC folks (but not much farther yet!) if you wish. Keith From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Fri May 3 11:16:59 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA23768 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:16:55 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15725; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20740; Fri, 3 May 1996 09:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 3 May 1996 09:17:06 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: FW- Course- Product Usab To: "Diane Darrow" , "Don Patterson" , "Guy Boy" , "Mike Atwood" , "Gary Perlman" , "Scott Robertson" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>FW: Course: Product Usability For Doc Professionals Diane, Don, Mike, Gary, This probably falls at least partly into my role. We have seen course announcements before -- but Diane's e-mail rasises the general issue that users of the list (me included) don't really know the rules. How about if we figure out what uses the general e-mail list serves, then form separate lists for these uses on the acm.org mail system, advertise the uses of the lists and how to subscribe/unsubscribe on the web site, and link the lists to the website (maybe even keeping some list histories on the website)? Some uses that might be identified are: real announcements jobs and consulting opportunities course offerings With the rules clearly spelled out, we can yell at people who abuse the lists. As it is, they can justifiably say "I didn't know." Any thoughts? -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 05/03/1996 8:44 AM To: Scott Robertson From: Diane Darrow Hi folks, I thought we were going to screen stuff for announcements and commercial things (including commercial seminars and job postings) were not going to be put out to the list (at least as long as Xerox facilities were being used). Would someone please take some responsiblity for this? thanks, diane. From PATTERSON@addvax.llnl.gov Fri May 3 13:18:25 1996 Received: from ADDVAX.LLNL.GOV (addvax.llnl.gov [128.115.19.32]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA28399 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 13:18:24 -0400 Received: from addvax.llnl.gov by addvax.llnl.gov (PMDF #12441) id <01I49KJXWEGO001DUM@addvax.llnl.gov>; Fri, 3 May 1996 10:17 PST Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 10:17 PST From: Don Patterson Subject: Re: FW- Course- Product Usab To: robertson.chi@xerox.COM Cc: Darrow@ny.hq.acm.ORG, boy@cert.FR, atwood.chi@xerox.COM, perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Message-id: <01I49KJXWEGO001DUM@addvax.llnl.gov> X-Envelope-to: perlman@cis.ohio-state.EDU X-VMS-To: IN%"robertson.chi@xerox.COM" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"Darrow@ny.hq.acm.ORG", IN%"boy@cert.FR", IN%"atwood.chi@xerox.COM", IN%"perlman@cis.ohio-state.EDU",PATTERSON Status: RO Folks, As email coordinator I've been dealing with these for years. You don't ever see the responses or hand slaps because they are handled individually rather than as a broadcast to the list. Overall I think the system has worked better than originally expected. The list, however, is not moderated. That means that some things do get through. I think Scott's suggestion is a good one and should be included as part of the migration to acm.org. Cheers, Don From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Wed May 22 12:36:42 1996 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (firewall-user@uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA28153 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:36:42 -0400 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11543 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:36:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04166 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:36:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Date: 22 May 1996 10:37:46 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: SIGCHI pages To: "Gary Perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Status: RO Reply to: RE>SIGCHI pages Hi Gary, >The main issue I'd like to bring up now is the >release of the new SIGCHI pages. >It's been two months since I sent my >comments to you about the pages >and they have not yet been released. That's true. I took on a new job here just before CHI and I haven't had a minute to make the changes (actually I started, but haven't finished). It's really not that much, I'll make sure it gets done by the end of the week (or the weekend at the latest). >Would it be useful for there to be more than >one person as information director, >such as a person to serve as the SIGCHI webmaster >while you served as a supervisor for that and >other information director activities? It might be, although after the page changes there really isn't that much work involved to maintain the site. If there is a large area that someone is interested in, like local SIGs (Kenny) or Publications (you), then I think it is great to hand off the responsibility. Otherwise it should be OK for one person (although I realize that I haven't gotten the page changes done yet). There is a larger issue here about my time, I guess. My new job doesn't really include the time for my external professional work, but somehow I feel that I should have time for the InfoDir. work anyway. Maybe we should have a discussion about this. >Some people were surprised by your absence at the >extended SIGCHI meeting after the conference. >It would have been useful for us to know >that you were not planning on attending. Actually, I wasn't completely sure about whether I should be there or not. Am I on the EEC? Also, are there other meetings (phone meetings or whatever) that I should be at. I apologize for the absense. >A "wrapper" tool would put the right initial and ending >stuff on each file, based on a template for each. This is a great idea. Thanks for the start on the script! -Scott From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Sat Jul 6 02:13:21 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id CAA05270 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 02:13:17 -0400 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ("port 4396"@alpha.Xerox.COM) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I6QG6RTVPK001XT7@ACM.ORG> for perlman@ACM.ORG; Sat, 06 Jul 1996 01:13:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Dispatch.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <17340(2) >; Fri, 05 Jul 1996 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com ([130.13.16.1]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17323(8)>; Fri, 05 Jul 1996 23:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18027 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 1996 00:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA17208 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 1996 00:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 01:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Robertson Subject: WebX Announcement To: eec Message-id: X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500DC57BB Status: O Subject: Time: 12:09 AM OFFICE MEMO WebX Announcement Date: 7/6/96 I thought I'd take the recent discussion on announcements.chi ("UI Design vs VI Design") as an opportunity to announce that there are now discussion forums on the website (via WebX). We might as well let people loose (with some comments in the announcement about responsible use). Any objections? -Scott From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Mon Jul 1 10:29:35 1996 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA16501 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:22 -0400 Received: from bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with ESMTP id KAA11392 sender instone ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:16 -0400 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.10) id KAA00865; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199607011429.KAA00865@bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu> To: perlman@oclc.org Subject: SIGCHI HCI VL Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO I now, finally, have a PLAN for moving my HCI VL to SIGCHI web space (thus, sponsorship). The HCI VL will become only a set of pointers to pointer pages: that is, it will not point to new and interesting HCI sites itself, but only to pages like Hans's and Mikael's. This should allow it to remain useful and unique without requiring me to do tons of work! Hans and Mikael will work with me to make sure their stuff gets pointed to properly, etc (they won't move pages on me). I mapped out a neat interfce for it this morning (JavaScipt and Frames) and might get started on it soon. I'll put a prototype up on acm.org way ahead of time. Keith From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Tue Jul 2 15:31:06 1996 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA22909 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:31:01 -0400 Received: from bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.11/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with ESMTP id PAA18087 sender instone ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:30:58 -0400 From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu (8.6.10) id PAA01014; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:31:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:31:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199607021931.PAA01014@bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu> To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: SIGCHI HCI VL / evil frames Cc: jakob.nielsen@sun.com Status: RO >It's sort of neat, but most users do not find the flippers >intuitive (I've test this with real users). I can easily get rid of the flippers and was thinking of canning them anyway. An earlier design had the content pages on the right, keeping the outline on the left. But I could not stretch frames/JavaScript far enough to make it usable, so I put more functionality in the top frame and had the outline go away when you got to actual content. >Frames are evil. You said it yourself. >I think depending on frames is a bad idea, >because it makes the pages less useful to others. >I think tables are as far as the SIGCHI site should go for now. In general, I agree 100%. This is my first serious crack at frames simply because I saw all of its problems long ago. But I would like to see if I can make frames usable with today's constraints. I think it would be a bold statement for "SIGCHI" to demonstrate how far one has to go to make frames usable. And then to explain all of this, so others can determine if they want to do all of the extra work, or just avoid frames for the easy way out. Especially if we can generate stats from usage that show users PREFER the non-frame pages, for example. Yes, frames are evil; like a detective chasing a mad bomber, you have to think like a mad bomber in order to catch him. You have to really use frames and overcome the obstacles in order criticize them effectively. >Also, I think that there are serious usability problems with frames, >although I only have anecdotal information on this. Yes, there are serious problems with frames. Documenting these in detail would be a vital part of the site. I have really only dealt with two major problems: going back and exiting the frame structure. >The frames often do not look like the way they look on >the developer's machine, and they confuse the hell out of users >when they want to go back. > >I liked the expansion of the header to provide navigational context, > Return to X > Return to X.Y > ... >and I think that could be used in a simplified design. Good! That part seems to be somewhat acceptable. >The cyan background is hideous. >You said it yourself. My other choice for hideousness was "lime". Almost lost my lunch during that stretch of design! (^: >I think something that is simpler would be better >in terms of portability and usability. I have cc-ed Jakob on my response. I already sent him the URL earlier. I am hoping he has some more ways that frames are unusable that can be solved with JavaScript. (I suspect he will say there is no hope of rescuing frames to be something usable, however.) My list of specific "frame-isms": going back - links in banner to make up for broken back button leaving frame mode - link in banner, limited bookmarking - cannot solve broken back button - cannot solve user model of 1 page / 1 screen - tried to limit reducing screen to just 2 frames and keeping "navigation" frame small (my 3 frame version didn't work well) I would like to have this evolve into something like "Requirements for a Usable Use of Frames", and then have the HCI VL fulfill those requirements. Keith From jakob@eng.sun.com Tue Jul 2 20:36:54 1996 Received: from dns2.noc.best.net (dns2.noc.best.net [206.86.0.21]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA00835 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:36:51 -0400 Received: from [206.86.76.125] (jakob.vip.best.com [206.86.76.125]) by dns2.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20428; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:36:45 -0700 X-Sender: jakob@mail.best.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607021532.LAA00987@bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:34:23 -0700 To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) From: Jakob Nielsen Subject: Re: possible to have usable frames? Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Status: RO >I am trying to come up with a USABLE implementation >using frames. This is my first crack: > >http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcivl/ OK, the first problem is that when accessing the page in Internet Explorer 2.0 (which I use quite often to avoid frames), the only text visible is Non frame version... /HTML> (thus, there is no content for frame-less users) For your actual page, as seen in Netscape 3.0b5 on the Macintosh: I like the use of two different background colors to differentiate your site from the visited site (though the color for the visited site should be more pleasant). I am not sure I like the entire concept of placing your own navigation area on top of other people's sites. This breaks the model of "what's a site" as well as messing with their UI design. I would probably prefer a navigation aid placed in a separate Java window. Once again, we see problems because of the conflict between the frames and the fundamental user model of how the web is structured. Maybe this is a problem with the background colors, but I find it irritating tha the background flickers when expanding or collapsing a level of the tree. In my browser, the header frame takes up about twice as much room as is actually used for the three navigation lines you provide. There is a bug (whether in your code or Netscape, who knows) that sometimes causes old navigation headers to stay around and new lines to be added to the frame rather than replacing the old ones. You listed a nice set of problems with frames. In this context I would particularly like to highlight the lack of bookmarks and URLs that can be emailed to other users: once the user finds something, they *have* to be able to bookmark it and notify others of the URL for this kind of resource listing to be helpful. *IF* we are going to be using frames, we should get more benefit out of them. It would be nice if you could find a way of representing some of the information hierarchy in the header so tha the user could get a better sense of place as well as the option of stepping through the sites without having to return to your main page every time. In general, though, I still recommend doing without frames. By the way, I liked the expansion triangles ("flippers"), but then I am a Mac user and very used to them. We have used them in other products at Sun and generally found in usability testing that people learn their use very fast, though of course, the Web requires *zero* learning time, so Gary's finding of non-intuitiveness should be taken seriously. From Brad_Myers@amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu Wed Jul 17 16:22:48 1996 Received: from ACM.ORG (ACM.ORG [192.135.174.1]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA23772 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:22:44 -0400 Received: from ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM ("port 2536"@ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I76N1MFQII008NEI@ACM.ORG>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com by ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM (PMDF V5.0-3 #10219) id <01I76N1CUG5S003TAX@ALTA.CS.DIEBOLD.COM>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:22:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Hecuba.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <14404(2) >; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.194.172]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17500(2)>; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cs.cmu.edu by amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu id aa15888; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 12:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: bam+@cs.cmu.edu Subject: List of UI Consultants Sender: Brad_Myers@amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu To: announcements.chi@xerox.com Cc: bam@amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu Reply-to: Brad.Myers@cs.cmu.edu Message-id: <15886.837621819@amulet1.amulet.cs.cmu.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-NS-Transport-ID: 0800207424C500DD33A4 Status: RO Does anyone know if there is a list on the Web of companies and individuals who do consulting on User Interface Design and Implementation? If not, I will start one. Please let me know if you know of such a site, or if you want to be added to such a list. Brad A. Myers Human Computer Interaction Institute School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891 (412) 268-5150 FAX: (412) 268-5576 bam@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bam From Darrow@hq.acm.org Wed Jul 17 17:04:53 1996 Received: from mail.HQ.ACM.ORG (hq.acm.org [199.222.74.36]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA24905 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:04:48 -0400 Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org (lan-gateway.hq.acm.org [199.222.74.87]) by mail.HQ.ACM.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05785; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:37:25 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <31ED7F2D@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Wed, 17 Jul 96 17:02:53 PDT From: Diane Darrow To: Mike Atwood , Guy Boy , Gary Perlman Subject: FW: List of UI Consultants Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 16:51:00 PDT Message-ID: <31ED7F2D@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: RO Why doesn't someone ask him to begin this project on behalf of SIGCHI, since you have been talking about such a thing? take care,d iane. ---------- From: Brad_Myers To: announcements.chi Cc: bam Subject: List of UI Consultants Date: Wednesday, July 17, 1996 9:43AM Does anyone know if there is a list on the Web of companies and individuals who do consulting on User Interface Design and Implementation? If not, I will start one. Please let me know if you know of such a site, or if you want to be added to such a list. Brad A. Myers Human Computer Interaction Institute School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University 5000 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891 (412) 268-5150 FAX: (412) 268-5576 bam@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bam From atwood@nynexst.com Thu Jul 18 07:59:37 1996 Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com [128.209.10.10]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with SMTP id HAA11457 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 07:59:33 -0400 Received: from [128.209.16.85] (arthur.nynexst.com) by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA14656; Thu, 18 Jul 96 07:58:26 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:02:50 -0500 To: Brad.Myers@cs.cmu.edu From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: List of UI Consultants Cc: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu, boy@onecert.fr, darrow@hq.acm.org (Diane Darrow) Status: RO Brad -- A couple of comments on the UI consultants list. First, this is a good idea. The only thing I recall that is close is the "consultant" label in the Human Factors and Ergonomics Society diretory. But, you have do dig into other parts of the directory to find out what areas someone is willing to consult on - consultants are listed with name only by state and you need to go to the individual listings to find interest areas. Second, this list would provide valuable service to SIGCHI members so I invite you to undertake this project on behalf of SIGCHI. Gary Perlman and Scott Robertson have done much to enhance SIGCHI's web site (http://www.acm.org/sigchi) and they and other SIGCHI members might provide support to this project. The next SIGCHI EC meeting is 26-28 July and I would be glad to present any proposal you may have on the UI consultant list to the EC. Please copy Guy Boy (boy@onecert.fr) and Gary Perlman (perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu) on your reply. I look forward to hearing from you! Regards, Mike Atwood >Does anyone know if there is a list on the Web of companies and >individuals who do consulting on User Interface Design and >Implementation? > >If not, I will start one. Please let me know if you know of such a >site, or if you want to be added to such a list. > >Brad A. Myers >Human Computer Interaction Institute >School of Computer Science >Carnegie Mellon University >5000 Forbes Avenue >Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891 >(412) 268-5150 >FAX: (412) 268-5576 >bam@a.gp.cs.cmu.edu >http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~bam From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Fri Aug 16 13:56:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22303; Fri, 16 Aug 96 13:56:15 EDT Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA08542; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:56:15 +0500 Received: from bullwinkle (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.7.5/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with SMTP id NAA04915 sender instone ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:54:11 -0400 (EDT) From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle (SMI-8.6) id NAA01446; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:54:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:54:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199608161754.NAA01446@bullwinkle> To: perlman@fssun09.dev.oclc.org Subject: SIGCHI's HCI VL: almost ready Cc: graaff@twi72.twi.tudelft.nl, miker@ida.liu.se, jakob.nielsen@sun.com, robertson.chi@xerox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 9E7+PrkSGK9sh9+3qWzyRw== Content-Length: 1526 Status: RO Gary, I have a better version of my proposed SIGCHI-sponsored HCI Virtual Library up for review at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcivl/ . Recall that I want to take a different approach than we talked about at CHI 96. Instead of getting me, Hans and Mikael working together (which obviously won't work well since we have been trying to do just this since May 95), I decided to raise the HCI VL to be a meta-index on HCI: I point to Hans and Mikael (and others), leaving them alone to keep doing what they do best, all by themselves. I have added "quality reviews" of the indexes to help users find the right indexes for the right task. I was inspired by my friends at www.clearinghouse.net but adopted a much simpler rating system (for now). If all is OK this time (no JavaScript or frames!), then I would like to replace my current HCI VL with that at SIGCHI within the next few weeks. We are currently moving all of our content here in our department and I would rather not move my current VL to our new server and then onto acm.org a short time later. And my current HCI VL is so out of date I would like to squish it asap. I would rather not make a big announcement of the new HCI VL until I have gone out and hunted up more indexes and made a few other enhancements. I guess a mid-October "big splash" would be good: announcements.chi, newgroups, link from SIGCHI web (replacing the "HCI related" page would probably be best, if Scott does not mind), note in interactions, etc. All feedback welcome, of course. Keith From perlman@mailhost Fri Aug 16 14:57:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26661; Fri, 16 Aug 96 14:55:09 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19158; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:55:08 -0400 From: perlman@mailhost (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199608161855.OAA19158@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: SIGCHI's HCI VL: almost ready To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@fssun09.dev.oclc.org, graaff@twi72.twi.tudelft.nl, miker@ida.liu.se, jakob.nielsen@sun.com, robertson.chi@xerox.com In-Reply-To: <199608161754.NAA01446@bullwinkle> from "Keith Instone" at Aug 16, 96 01:54:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O > I have a better version of my proposed SIGCHI-sponsored HCI Virtual > Library up for review at http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hcivl/ . > If all is OK this time (no JavaScript or frames!), then I would like > to replace my current HCI VL with that at SIGCHI within the next few > weeks. We are currently moving all of our content here in our department > and I would rather not move my current VL to our new server and then onto > acm.org a short time later. And my current HCI VL is so out of date > I would like to squish it asap. The site is easy enough to access, and I like that it has none of those nasty frames. (I was going to suggest that if you were to use frames, then a nice format might be to have a set of fixed size graphics as buttons in a left frame (e.g., Mailing lists, Events, Bibliographies, ...), and contents in a right frame. It would not solve the "back" problem, but would solve the frame-fitting problem). > Recall that I want to take a different approach than we talked > about at CHI 96. Instead of getting me, Hans and Mikael working > together (which obviously won't work well since we have been trying > to do just this since May 95), I decided to raise the HCI VL to be > a meta-index on HCI: I point to Hans and Mikael (and others), leaving > them alone to keep doing what they do best, all by themselves. Maybe a meta-site is the best solution for now, but I don't think it is a good long-term solution for anyone. After my job move, I think things have started to settle enough that I may have some time to work on this issue. >From the point of view of information gatherers like Hans and Mikael, I don't think a meta page is ideal because they will still be "obligated" to provide updated content, and there is still the issue of duplication of effort. (Providers might feel oblligated because of the Quality ratings.) >From the point of view of users (esp. SIGCHI members), a meta page is hardly an improvement at all because people will still have to go to several places to find information (although the meta index would make that easier). > I have added "quality reviews" of the indexes to help users find the > right indexes for the right task. I was inspired by my friends at > www.clearinghouse.net but adopted a much simpler rating system (for > now). I am wary about the quality reviews, especially at the SIGCHI site, because it implies an official position of SIGCHI. I do not know on what basis the ratings are made, but if it is something algorithmic like the size and recency, then I would prefer raw score(s) rather than a value judgment. I am also not sure how some people will react to having their contibution poorly rated ("No good deed goes unpunished" I always say). > I would rather not make a big announcement of the new HCI VL until > I have gone out and hunted up more indexes and made a few other > enhancements. I guess a mid-October "big splash" would be good: > announcements.chi, newgroups, link from SIGCHI web (replacing the > "HCI related" page would probably be best, if Scott does not > mind), note in interactions, etc. > > All feedback welcome, of course. I don't want to sound unappreciative, because I know how much work you, Keith, and others, have put into the resources. I think, however, that we have to look for a better solution. Here are some attributes of a "better solution", in part motivated by previous discussions you all have had, and from some perceptions from some recent SIGCHI market research. * The various indexes should be merged so that information of a given type is kept in one place so people do not need to go to several similar sites to find new material. * The SIGCHI Web site should be THE place for people to look (not the place people look for places to look). I think this is a priority for SIGCHI, so, even if other sites exist, I think SIGCHI should have the best information. I'd like the SIGCHI site to be the best site because it is SIGCHI's business to be the best source of information to its members and the HCI field. So, ideally, I'd like to see a permanent acknowledgement of what the HCI-index-people have contributed, and how those contrbutions have shaped the SIGCHI site. (i.e., I don't mean to sound competitive against any individual, but SIGCHI will provide the best service in this area, somehow). * The service has to be maintained actively, especially for time-sensitive materials such as an events calendar. I think Keith's nice meta-index is "the best service, given that the indexes do not seem to be merging", and maybe it is the best solution for now, but I do not think it has any of the attributes above. The SIGCHI Development Fund might be a good place to look for help to initiate a MERGED instead of a META index. http://www.acm.org/sigchi/documents/devfund.html And there are other sources of funding possible from SIGCHI. What I propose is that I (or someone else, if anyone wants this) will write a development fund proposal to create a merged and maintainable index at ACM.ORG/SIGCHI. I hereby solicit your ideas about how this might be accomplished, both technically (e.g., URLs submitted via a forms interface and automatically insterted into the "right pages") and pragmatically (e.g., the platform developed and maintained by a SIGCHI-funded person, with content-area editors recruited to approve submitted URLs). My view is that a really good Web site is worth a few dollars a year for each SIGCHI member, and that an initial investment in a unifying architecture is worth $10-20K immediately. Okay, that's a long response, but it's been on my mind for a while. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Fri Aug 16 15:43:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00432; Fri, 16 Aug 96 15:43:09 EDT Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA12414; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:43:08 +0500 Received: from bullwinkle (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.7.5/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with SMTP id PAA05366 sender instone ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle (SMI-8.6) id PAA01478; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:43:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:43:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199608161943.PAA01478@bullwinkle> To: perlman@fssun09.dev.oclc.org Subject: Re: SIGCHI's HCI VL: almost ready Cc: jakob.nielsen@sun.com, robertson.chi@xerox.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 8wyAU/yI0CvpyIUzqvr4nw== Content-Length: 1715 Status: RO Well, if SIGCHI is willing to pay $20k right off the bat, then they can do a lot better than a volunteer's meta index of volunteer-driven indexes, that's for sure. "Hooray!" is what I said upon reading yout attributes for a better solution. But I do not think a development-fund-driven proposal will get you what you want. That's still pretty much aimed at SIGCHI members asking for money, correct? Still volunteer based. If you want to do it RIGHT, then hire a company to do SIGCHI's web indexes. Contact Vertical Research or Systems Concepts or CollabTech or someone else. I bet they would be ecstatic about being able put together the definitive HCI site for SIGCHI: good publicity for them, plus they get paid. I've done my share of volunteer Web stuff and enough for-pay things to realize you are going to have to pay to get what you want here. If I were to leave my job here at BGSU and start out on my own, I would be interested in doing this for SIGCHI. But there is no way I can deliver what you want while holding down a separate full time job. If SIGCHI had a FULL TIME webmaster, then I think you could get something close to what you describe from him/her. So my suggestions are: 1. Hire a full time webmaster to do this and other things for SIGCHI or 2. Hire an "HCI company" to do it for SIGCHI The big question is: how much money is SIGCHI willing to throw at this? And the smaller question: how soon does SIGCHI want to act on this? I am willing to help find a person for #1 or a company for #2. I could contact three companies right now off the top of my head for #2, for example. Someone else has to dig up the money, tho. That is, I will gladly spend your money for you. (^: Keith From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Fri Aug 16 16:10:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02804; Fri, 16 Aug 96 16:10:13 EDT Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA13231; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:10:12 +0500 Received: from bullwinkle (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.7.5/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with SMTP id QAA05488 for sender instone ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle (SMI-8.6) id QAA01489; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:10:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:10:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199608162010.QAA01489@bullwinkle> To: perlman@fssun09.dev.oclc.org Subject: Re: SIGCHI's HCI VL: almost ready Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: 64hh79QcHyABjzfYSU66Bg== Content-Length: 258 Status: RO And I have no problem with SIGCHI wanting to go "big time" with its Web services. I will just keep my HCI VL here at BGSU. Too bad there is no August BuckCHI meeting--we could talk there. I think I was the 2nd person to join up at the last meeting. Keith From perlman@mailhost Fri Aug 30 11:44:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26112; Fri, 30 Aug 96 11:44:23 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA19715; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:44:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:44:24 -0400 From: perlman@mailhost (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199608301544.LAA19715@dev1.NISDEV> To: clore@acm.org, ec.chi@xerox.com, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, jeffries.chi@xerox.com, john_karat.chi@xerox.com, perlman@dev1 Subject: RFC: draft proposal to move HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG Status: O Here is a proposal to move the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG. I would like to gather comments from the SIGCHI EC, and from the technical side of the issue (hence the mail to the SIGCHI Information Director and the ACM Network Manager) by the end of next week (Friday, Sept 6). Then, assuming people still think this is the next step, I would like to send the proposal to the ACM Pubs Board for approval. (I am still not sure they are the right party, but I would like to address any reservations any parties have.) I think I would have to approach the Pubs Board regardless because of the new ACM copyright policy for electronic media. Here is a text version fo the HTML document (which you might not be able to access right now on www.acm.org). Gary Perlman, perlman@acm.org ACM SIGCHI Vice Chair for Publications Director, HCI Bibliography Project ------- Proposal for Moving the HCI Bibliography to ACM.ORG Gary Perlman, Director, The HCI Bibliography Project DRAFT FOR SIGCHI EC COMMENT 30 August 1996 Document URL: http://www.acm.org/~perlman/bibprop.htm Table of Contents * Executive Summary * Background * Motivation * Legal Issues * Proposed Services * Cost Estimates _________________________________________________________________ Executive Summary Gary Perlman, founder and director of the HCI Bibliography (HCIBIB), proposes to move the HCIBIB from Ohio State University to ACM.ORG, much as the SIGGRAPH Bibliography is offered via the SIGGRAPH.ORG site. Currently, the project can be accessed at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman/hcibib/ Benefits + would allow the HCIBIB to continue being offered as a free database that is widely available (Gary Perlman has left OSU, so space will no longer be provided to the HCIBIB) + would more closely align the HCIBIB with SIGCHI, which has provided financial support to the project + would help promote ACM/SIGCHI as THE place to go for HCI, for both members and non-members (future members) + might allow the addition of value for members (e.g., search instead of simple downloads for non-members) Costs + About 50-100 megabytes of space will be needed on ACM.ORG, primarily for the production files, as the released files comprise about 15 megabytes (space is currently no problem, and is a small cost) + Some CPU cycles will be taken by the presence, especially initially as browsers surf to a new site, but most cycles will be used by a search capability, if provided. Minimal CPU cycles will be needed for database production as this work is done primarily on a Mac Workstation donated to the project by Apple. Contingencies + ACM may object to offering free information on its server, so another home might have to be found + Publishers (copyright holders) may object to the move from OSU to ACM because ACM is a publisher/competitor, but: o publishers will be given the opportunity to pull their materials, even though it will mean that they will become less visible because of the move o publishers should complain less if ACM maintains the same free-access policies as the HCIBIB + Other SIGs, e.g., SIGGRAPH, which has a large semi-official bibliography, may want to mount their bibliographies on ACM.ORG (although SIGGRAPH may be a bad example because it moved onto its own server) _________________________________________________________________ Background The HCI Bibliography (HCIBIB) has been on the Internet since about 1990 and with over 12,000 bibliographic entries, most with abstracts, has been a primary source of bibliographic information for the HCI community. There are over 500 registered users on a mailing list, representing perhaps 10 times that many users. SIGCHI has funded part of the development of the HCIBIB, first by funding a graduate student for a year to help organize the project, and later through the Chair's Discretionary Fund to provide a flatbed scanner for the project. _________________________________________________________________ Motivation The most immediate motivation is that I have left OSU, and the HCI Bibliography needs a new home. Another motivation is that the performance and features of the OSU CIS servers have been inadequate, and there have been discussions of moving the HCIBIB to ACM for years. The HCIBIB has been available primarily via ftp, and the OSU CIS ftp server often has sever performance problems. The CIS Web server has often had performance problems, too. Given that ACM SIGCHI has funded the HCIBIB, and that it serves the HCI community (a community SIGCHI wishes to continue to serve), I think it makes sense for the HCIBIB to move to ACM.ORG over other potential sites (e.g., other universities, my current employer OCLC, its own server). Stu Zweben (past ACM President and OSU CIS chair), offered his view that the HCIBIB has, in his mind, always been more associated with SIGCHI than OSU. Another ACM SIG, SIGGRAPH, offers a similar free service, at its web site: the ACM SIGGRAPH Online Bibliography Database. The SIGGRAPH Bibliography, like the SIGGRAPH web site, is on the SIGGRAPH server, not the ACM server. As an ACM SIGCHI member and officer (Vice Chair for Publications, 1995-97), I believe it is important that the ACM Internet presence be able to offer its members and technical communities what they need, so that they do not perceive a need to create their own servers. In addition to simply providing the data in the HCIBIB, the Web server at ACM.ORG could provide more functionality, such as a search service (which the OSU CIS staff have been unwilling to allow), or alternative display formats. This would further enhance SIGCHI's role as THE place to go for HCI information. A search service added to to database file access might be used as a way to promote ACM/SIGCHI membership by being available only to ACM/SIGCHI members (and perhaps also be freely available to users in .edu domains) after being available for free on a trial basis. Limiting access to ACM/SIGCHI members would help justify a potentially larger load on the ACM server. Note that the database itself must be distributed free of charge because it is part of the agreement with copyright holders (a part that helped them permit the HCIBIB's royalty free use of their data). _________________________________________________________________ Legal Issues The HCI Bibliography Project has obtained written permission from all publishers for which it provides abstracts of publications. Moving the HCI Bibliography Project to ACM.ORG would allow ACM.ORG to provide this service (with the provision that there could be no charge for the service, as per the license agreements). Because of ACM's non-profit status, there should be no complaints from publishers, but in case they might complain, they would be warned in writing in advance of the move, and given the opportunity to pull out of the HCI Bibliography. Given the comprehensive nature of the HCI Bibliography, publishers should be willing to continue to allow royalty free distribution of abstracted entries because it serves as a form of free advertising for their publications. Previously, some publishers who have been reluctant to grant permissions, eventually granted permission after getting letter of support from their editorial boards (who are HCIBIB users). The license with publishers contains the condition that there can be no charge for the HCIBIB. ACM may object to this condition, because presumably, it would mean that access to the files could not be restricted to members only. (The reason for the free-distribution condition is that it allowed the HCIBIB to operate without a budget; if we charged for the HCIBIB, the publishers would expect a payment, and the basic nature of the project would change, possibly to one that could not afford to support itself.) _________________________________________________________________ Proposed Services I propose that ACM SIGCHI distribute the HCIBIB database files, free of charge and without access restrictions, via two mechanisms: 1. WWW: Linked into the ACM SIGCHI Website 2. Listserv: Via the ACM listserv as HCIBIB@ACM.ORG or possibly as HCIBIB-CHI@ACM.ORG (to match the SIGCHI listserv conventions). The HCIBIB list would be moderated and allow: + requests for files + communication with the HCIBIB staff (Gary Perlman) + subscription to occasional newsletters + queries, if search facilities are provided Additionally, I propose that: 3. ACM set up an hcibib login on turing.acm.org, with email address (hcibib@acm.org) being directed to the ACM listserv The above would be offered freely to all Internet users. If search capabilities were added, the decision of access restrictions would be left to the SIGCHI Executive Committee, based in part on feasibility recommendations from the SIGCHI Information Director, and the ACM Network Information Manager. _________________________________________________________________ Cost Estimates The main costs are in space and in potential impact on the performance of the Web and listservers. We do not have good statistics on accesses to the HCIBIB because most accesses have been via anonymous ftp, with is not tracked by the OSU CIS servers. The existing listserv for the HCIBIB gets an average of less than one request per day for an average of 5-10 files. Given the low cost of storage and the currently minimal listserv load, the main risk is in load on the ACM Web server. Until there is a perceived problem, I recommend gathering data on number of accesses and load impact, so initially, the cost estimates are at most in the hundreds of dollars. SIZE OF THE HCI BIBLIOGRAPHY * 13 meg in released form, without indexes * about 50 meg more in production form SERVER TRAFFIC FOR THE HCI BIBLIOGRAPHY * No stats from OSU-CIS servers. * Expected traffic will depend on service level: LISTSERV File Access minimal traffic (need to check for huge requests (that may fail)) potentially high LISTSERV Search (may want to restrict to SIGCHI members, .edu domains, and/or restrict access to certain times of day/night) WEB File Access minimal WEB Search potentially high (may need to restrict to SIGCHI members) maybe we can get stats from the searchable HCIBIB at Graz, or from accesses to the SIGGRAPH Bibliography From BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Thu Aug 22 12:52:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29995; Thu, 22 Aug 96 12:52:17 EDT Received: from turing.acm.org by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA08608; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:52:17 +0500 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA07872; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:51:12 -0500 Received: from alpha.xerox.com ("port 4514"@alpha.Xerox.COM) by ACM.ORG (PMDF V5.0-6 #10219) id <01I8KQ74A0FG003258@ACM.ORG> for perlman@ACM.ORG; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:52:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Toucan.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16464(8) >; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from portal2.ameritech.com ([198.186.232.49]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16421(1)>; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by portal2.ameritech.com id AB13557 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0) ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:50:01 -0400 Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:50:01 -0400 Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:50:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Subject: Web References To: perlman.chi@xerox.com, robertson.chi@xerox.com Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0800207424C500EF1F88 Content-Length: 1510 Status: RO Hi - Thought these might be good pointers to add to sigchi web site. Barbee ---------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: LUND.HORIZON@x400gw.ameritech.com To: DAVID.APRIL@x400gw.ameritech.com, RAY.BENNETT@x400gw.ameritech.com, KAY.L.BURNETT@x400gw.ameritech.com, DENNIS.X.CONNOLLY@x400gw.ameritech.com, JENNY.DEGROOT@x400gw.ameritech.com, DINO.G.ELIOPULOS@x400gw.ameritech.com, MARY.HARDZINSKI@x400gw.ameritech.com, LUND.HORIZON@x400gw.ameritech.com, GAVIN.S.LEW@x400gw.ameritech.com, SCOTT.E.LIVELY@x400gw.ameritech.com, ARNOLD.LUND@x400gw.ameritech.com, DAVID.H.LUNDY@x400gw.ameritech.com, JONI.MOYNIHAN@x400gw.ameritech.com, RICHARD.OMANSON@x400gw.ameritech.com, EILEEN.SCHWAB@x400gw.ameritech.com, /G=AMY/S=SCHWARTZ/P=AMRTCH1/A=MCI/C=US/@x400gw.ameritech.com, BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com, ROBERT.WARREN@x400gw.ameritech.com Cc: bob.schumacher@belgacom.be, choong@ecn.purdue.edu, ROBERT.M.SCHUMACHER@x400gw.ameritech.com, /G=Karl/S=Steiner/OU=AIT3/P=AMRTCH4/A=MCI/C=US/@x400gw.ameritech.com Subject: Web References Autoforwarded: TRUE Message-Id: Two more interesting Web site references... IBMs new one for HCI professionals at www.ibm.com/ibm/hci and one on designing HTML pages for accessibility (that we should make sure our guidelines are compatible with)... at trace.wisc.edu/TEXT/GUIDELNS/HTMLGIDE/htmlfull.html Rick, are we compatible? Or can we target a date when we will be compatible? Thanks. ARN From perlman@mailhost Wed Sep 4 11:33:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10894; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:33:30 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11228; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:33:29 -0400 From: perlman@mailhost (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199609041533.LAA11228@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: email, web site, and all that To: scottrob@uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: <322DABC5.1519@uswest.com> from "Scott Robertson" at Sep 4, 96 09:18:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO > Hi Gary, > > I did receive your mail, but I've been gone for a week and a half. So > I am now going through all my email. I will take a look at your > publications pages -- thanks for doing that! I think that it is > definitely time to move the mailing lists to acm.org. Give me a day to > read through the email on that issue. > > Thanks, > -Scott You may find there is a lot to go through. I think we need to find people to help out with things, and the CHI email lists seem to be one clearly defined problem. Other initiatives, if approved, such as THE HCI Index at ACM, and a regularly published web-based newsletter, also will need dedicated people. I think we need to think about ways to involve more people, or we will end up spending too much time on SIGCHI. In the long term, setting up a maintainable online information infrastructure (maybe we need a task force -- Dilbert) will be the our best long-term contribution to SIGCHI's quality initiatives (I just read the Dilbert Priciple). Gary From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Fri Aug 16 16:35:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by fssun09.dev.oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04721; Fri, 16 Aug 96 16:35:56 EDT Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA14297; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:52 +0500 Received: from cs.bgsu.edu (maestro.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA10040 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:37 -0400 Received: from bullwinkle (bullwinkle.cs.bgsu.edu [129.1.64.27]) by cs.bgsu.edu (8.7.5/950727cs.bgsu.edu) with SMTP id QAA05608 sender instone ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:36 -0400 (EDT) From: instone@cs.bgsu.edu (Keith Instone) Received: by bullwinkle (SMI-8.6) id QAA01499; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:35:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199608162035.QAA01499@bullwinkle> Subject: one contact for SIGCHI Web company To: perlman@cis.ohio-state.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: dt17VWIw+nYXBXFdU4ybQQ== Content-Length: 1762 Status: RO OK, after getting your email I sent a quick note to some guys I know in Ann Arbor. They are interested. You can check out argus-inc.com to learn more about them. Clearinghouse.net is their big project. They have ACM-SIG experience. They are "librarians". Feel free to proceed on your own. I will stay involved if you want. Bowling Green is almost exactly half way between Columbus and Ann Arbor.... Keith PS So, are things happening fast enough??????????? ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- >From morville@sils.umich.edu Fri Aug 16 16:24:11 1996 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 16:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Peter S. Morville" To: Keith Instone cc: lou@argus-inc.com Hi Keith, We certainly would be interested in designing and implementing a web site for SIGCHI. After our very positive experience in designing the SIGGRAPH 96 conference site (we've already begun work on SIGGRAPH 97), we'd love to work on similar sites. And I think our guide-design expertise could also prove very useful for this type of site. And we have a good understanding of and experience with interdisciplinary design environments. Finally, it'd be fun to work with you. So let us know how you'd like to proceed. cheers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peter Morville phone 313.913.0010 Vice President, Argus Associates fax 313.213.8082 109 Catherine Street, Ann Arbor, MI 48104 http://argus-inc.com Managing Editor, The Argus Clearinghouse http://www.clearinghouse.net/ Author, The Internet Searcher's Handbook http://argus-inc.com/searcher/ New! The Library of Michigan http://www.libofmich.lib.mi.us/ From perlman@mailer Wed Sep 18 11:07:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08629; Wed, 18 Sep 96 11:07:12 EDT Received: from oclc.org (fssun09) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA22102; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:07:11 +0500 Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08626; Wed, 18 Sep 96 11:07:06 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09403; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:07:05 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199609181507.LAA09403@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: ASIS/SIGCHI information... To: riander@well.com (Richard I. Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: cgp@ussu.ciba.com, perlman@mailer In-Reply-To: from "Richard I. Anderson" at Sep 18, 96 07:46:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1291 Status: RO Although there is no policy against such an announcement, there is no place where such an announcement belongs. Although recently redesigned, the SIGCHI site is being redesigned to include more timely information. I'm going to file the request so that there will be a place for things like colloquium announcments. Eventually, I'd like things set up so that people can suggest items in much the same way that Yahoo does it, but with faster turnaround for installation. > Greg, > > >Many thanks for the names/addresses/e-mail's you provided. I will follow > >up with them individually. One last question for you: is there room (either > >spacially or conceptually) for colloquium announcements on any of the > >SIGCHI web pages? > > I doubt it. I'll "cc" this to the person who I believe may have a fuller > and stronger answer, Gary Perlman. > > Gary: this query regards an ASIS event that Greg wants to advertise to > SIGCHI folks. > > Richard Anderson > > __________________________________________________________________ > Richard I. Anderson, Usability/Design Adventures, 510-524-2421 > rianderson.chi@xerox.com riander@well.com > 717 Coventry Road, Kensington CA 94707 > http://www.well.com/user/riander/ > > > From perlman@mailer Wed Sep 18 12:19:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14902; Wed, 18 Sep 96 12:19:47 EDT Received: from oclc.org (fssun09) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA25743; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:19:46 +0500 Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14892; Wed, 18 Sep 96 12:19:42 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA00971; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:19:42 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199609181619.MAA00971@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: ASIS/SIGCHI colloquium notice... To: cgp@ussu.Ciba.Com (Greg Paris) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailer In-Reply-To: <9609181540.AA22176@pharma.ussu.Ciba.Com> from "Greg Paris" at Sep 18, 96 11:40:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 950 Status: O > Gary, > > Thanks anyway for the information, even though there is no "venue" to > hang the colloquium web page. D'accord that all of the SIG's need to > construct their web pages in such a way to accommodate more rapidly > changing event lists, seminars/colloquia, etc. Conferences and meetings > have such a long lead time, but the more evanescent gatherings require > some more thought about how to announce them in a timely fashion. I've been thinking about having a true "What's New" section of the home page with dynamic information, updated daily, so that people will stop by to see what's new. > Good luck, > Thanks, > Greg > ........................("Specialization is for insects.")............... > Greg Paris > Ciba-Geigy Pharmaceuticals, Research Dept. Internet: cgp@ussu.ciba.com > Biophysical Chemistry, CAMM, Bldg. LSB-1322 Voice: 908 277 5421 > 556 Morris Ave, Summit, NJ 07901 USA Fax: 908 277 2405 > From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Oct 3 00:39:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18504; Thu, 3 Oct 96 00:39:32 EDT Received: from turing.acm.org by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA12655; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:39:31 +0500 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA09678; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:42:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:42:05 -0500 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9610030542.AA09678@turing.acm.org> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: SIGCHI Web site Cc: perlman@turing.acm.org Content-Length: 796 Status: O Well, my idea of having a monthly column went nowhere for lack of human resources to make it happen. Still, the SIGCHI page has not changed much for a while. I just had an idea that I don't think requires approvals, that being to put some real news on the homepage. I have drafted http://www.acm.org/sigchi/newhomepage.html The idea is to have an area where people can look for items of interest, preferably SIGCHI related news, like I have placed there, but maybe even pointers to new sites of interest. At a minimum, I think the box should be updated once a month, with old items being placed on a sub page. I am confident that I can "write" the box every month for you, or you can recruit the material on your own. What do you think? Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From scottrob@uswest.com Thu Oct 10 12:14:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17717; Thu, 10 Oct 96 12:14:27 EDT Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA25575; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:14:17 +0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11529; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 130.13.24.38 (newyorker.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.24.38]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24195; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:14:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <325D2EE9.46D5@uswest.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:14:17 -0700 From: Scott Robertson Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sales@lundeen.com Cc: perlman@mailer.oclc.org Subject: New certificate needed after upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 492 Status: RO Hi, We have made changes on the server that is running WebX for ACM SIGCHI. WebX is now asking for a new certificate name. The old one was /turing/sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi? The new one needs to be /sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi? How can we change that? Thanks, -Scott Robertson -- Scott Robertson U S WEST Advanced Technologies 4001 Discovery Dr. Boulder, Colorado 80303 USA Tel. +1 303 541 7028 Fax. +1 303 541 8182 scottrob@uswest.com http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ From scottrob@uswest.com Thu Oct 10 21:15:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24093; Thu, 10 Oct 96 21:15:06 EDT Received: from turing.acm.org by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA21668; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:15:02 +0500 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA06915; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:17:35 -0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16855 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 130.13.24.38 (newyorker.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.24.38]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06077 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <325D7E28.2F33@uswest.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:52:24 -0700 From: Scott Robertson Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: SIGCHI Web site References: <9610030542.AA09678@turing.acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1055 Status: RO Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > I just had an idea that I don't think requires approvals, > that being to put some real news on the homepage. > I have drafted > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/newhomepage.html > The idea is to have an area where people can look > for items of interest, preferably SIGCHI related news, > like I have placed there, but maybe even pointers > to new sites of interest. > > At a minimum, I think the box should be updated > once a month, with old items being placed on > a sub page. I am confident that I can "write" > the box every month for you, or you can recruit > the material on your own. > > What do you think? > O.K. I do have this proposal. It is an excellent idea to have the initial page flag new items and update current news. Should there be a "Submit News Items" email link on this area? -Scott -- Scott Robertson U S WEST Advanced Technologies 4001 Discovery Dr. Boulder, Colorado 80303 USA Tel. +1 303 541 7028 Fax. +1 303 541 8182 scottrob@uswest.com http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ From perlman@oclc.org Thu Oct 10 23:45:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01318; Thu, 10 Oct 96 23:45:18 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA28231; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:45:17 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610110345.XAA28231@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Web site To: scottrob@uswest.com Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: <325D7E28.2F33@uswest.com> from "Scott Robertson" at Oct 10, 96 03:52:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > > > > I just had an idea that I don't think requires approvals, > > that being to put some real news on the homepage. > > I have drafted > > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/newhomepage.html > > The idea is to have an area where people can look > > for items of interest, preferably SIGCHI related news, > > like I have placed there, but maybe even pointers > > to new sites of interest. > > > > At a minimum, I think the box should be updated > > once a month, with old items being placed on > > a sub page. I am confident that I can "write" > > the box every month for you, or you can recruit > > the material on your own. > > > > What do you think? > > > > O.K. I do have this proposal. > > It is an excellent idea to have the initial page flag new items and > update current news. The main idea is to give people something new to look at every so often -- to give them a reason to come to the site. I'd like it to stand out like a little box so people jump to it like boxes in magszines, but using nested tables would make it less portable -- I just added some
      s, which looks pretty good. To maintain the items, especially to update them, I propose that there be: * a database of some sort to hold the items * a marking method to choose which items are shown * a page with all the items, in reverse chronological order See news.db in the /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi directory. Something that is manipulable with perl would be easy to conjure. This would assume that the page (and other pages) were created using a script to: * stick on the standard header * insert the current content, possibly with #includes * appending the standard footer It's pretty easy to create such a script, and I can set something up if you don't have time. > Should there be a "Submit News Items" email link on this area? My first reaction was that it was a good idea, but my gut reaction is that it would create more problems. I suspect that people would submit very few items, and many of the ones that were submitted would be of questionable value (e.g., I made a page of links, or, We have released a new version of our software) and you would get into having to make editorial decisions. There is always the infodir_sigchi email link. As for content, I feel confident that I can come up with a couple of items every month, or even every week. If people submit items, you can choose what to use. If someone complains about the policy, respond with "Thank you for volunteering to edit the column!" Confidentially -- Just do it! The SIGCHI EC would become paralyzed with questions about prolicies and procedures. "The best is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire Gary > -Scott > > -- > Scott Robertson > U S WEST Advanced Technologies > 4001 Discovery Dr. > Boulder, Colorado > 80303 USA > > Tel. +1 303 541 7028 > Fax. +1 303 541 8182 > > scottrob@uswest.com > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ > From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 16 22:04:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12702; Wed, 16 Oct 96 22:04:10 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24608; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:04:10 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610170204.WAA24608@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Web site To: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 22:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: scottrob@uswest.com, perlman@mailhost In-Reply-To: <199610110345.XAA28231@dev1.NISDEV> from "Gary PERLMAN" at Oct 10, 96 11:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O I think we were discussing this, but I got no reply from you. Did you have comments? Did you want me to install the new page? Did you want to make scripts to automate the formatting, or did you want to avoid this option, or did you want me to make something? Gary > > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > > > > > > > I just had an idea that I don't think requires approvals, > > > that being to put some real news on the homepage. > > > I have drafted > > > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/newhomepage.html > > > The idea is to have an area where people can look > > > for items of interest, preferably SIGCHI related news, > > > like I have placed there, but maybe even pointers > > > to new sites of interest. > > > > > > At a minimum, I think the box should be updated > > > once a month, with old items being placed on > > > a sub page. I am confident that I can "write" > > > the box every month for you, or you can recruit > > > the material on your own. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > O.K. I do have this proposal. > > > > It is an excellent idea to have the initial page flag new items and > > update current news. > > The main idea is to give people something new to look at > every so often -- to give them a reason to come to the site. > I'd like it to stand out like a little box so people > jump to it like boxes in magszines, > but using nested tables would make it less portable -- > I just added some
      s, which looks pretty good. > > To maintain the items, especially to update them, > I propose that there be: > * a database of some sort to hold the items > * a marking method to choose which items are shown > * a page with all the items, in reverse chronological order > See news.db in the /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi directory. > Something that is manipulable with perl would be easy to conjure. > This would assume that the page (and other pages) > were created using a script to: > * stick on the standard header > * insert the current content, possibly with #includes > * appending the standard footer > It's pretty easy to create such a script, > and I can set something up if you don't have time. > > > Should there be a "Submit News Items" email link on this area? > > My first reaction was that it was a good idea, > but my gut reaction is that it would create more problems. > I suspect that people would submit very few items, > and many of the ones that were submitted would be > of questionable value (e.g., I made a page of links, > or, We have released a new version of our software) > and you would get into having to make editorial decisions. > There is always the infodir_sigchi email link. > > As for content, I feel confident that I can come up with > a couple of items every month, or even every week. > If people submit items, you can choose what to use. > If someone complains about the policy, respond with > "Thank you for volunteering to edit the column!" > > Confidentially -- Just do it! The SIGCHI EC would become > paralyzed with questions about prolicies and procedures. > "The best is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire > > Gary > > > -Scott > > > > -- > > Scott Robertson > > U S WEST Advanced Technologies > > 4001 Discovery Dr. > > Boulder, Colorado > > 80303 USA > > > > Tel. +1 303 541 7028 > > Fax. +1 303 541 8182 > > > > scottrob@uswest.com > > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ > > > > From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 23 10:04:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14183; Wed, 23 Oct 96 10:04:41 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA27327; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:04:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:04:40 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610231404.KAA27327@dev1.NISDEV> To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Subject: web page update and your availability Cc: perlman@dev1 Status: O I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. Are you there? Gary From scottrob@uswest.com Wed Oct 23 12:28:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00539; Wed, 23 Oct 96 12:28:51 EDT Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA18028; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:28:51 +0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08759 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 130.13.24.38 (newyorker.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.24.38]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20398 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <326E55D1.1582@uswest.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:28:49 -0700 From: Scott Robertson Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gary PERLMAN Subject: Re: web page update and your availability References: <199610231404.KAA27327@dev1.NISDEV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1922 Status: RO Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. > Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. > If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful > to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to > be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have > to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. > > Are you there? > > Gary Hi Gary, You have every reason to be concerned. Actually your email raises an issue that has been on my mind for a while. I think that I simply don't have the time to do a good job as Information Director. As web technology continues to grow -- SIGCHI needs someone who can be more responsive. U S West has been in too much turmoil since I started as Information Director (this year I've changed jobs twice internally -- and have been on a few external interviews). My primary job now involves development of the corporate library web site, so somehow doing the SIGCHI web site just isn't as much fun anymore! Also, in my current position professional activities are considered totally extracurricular (whereas they used to be "part of my job"). So, I think it is time to look for a new Information Director. I'm happy to help. While, of course, you should advertise and talk to several candidates-- I do know someone who is probably interested: Terry Sullivan (check out: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/). I'm sure there are several other folks interested in our community. I'm sorry that I have not been able to do the job right lately. Thanks for the opportunity, and I hope the redesigned web site was worth it. Let me know what I can do to help in the next stage. -Scott -- Scott Robertson U S WEST Advanced Technologies 4001 Discovery Dr. Boulder, Colorado 80303 USA Tel. +1 303 541 7028 Fax. +1 303 541 8182 scottrob@uswest.com http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 23 12:58:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03631; Wed, 23 Oct 96 12:57:38 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22370; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:57:38 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610231657.MAA22370@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: web page update and your availability To: scottrob@uswest.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman), darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, guy_boy.chi@xerox.com, atwood.chi@xerox.com In-Reply-To: <326E55D1.1582@uswest.com> from "Scott Robertson" at Oct 23, 96 10:28:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Scott Robertson wrote: > I'm sorry that I have not been able to do the job right lately. Thanks > for the opportunity, and I hope the redesigned web site was worth it. I think it was worth it. People like the site a lot more. Volunteer positions are never easy, but they should not involve too much sacrifice. Thanks for serving. I'm cc'ing this to Mike Atwood, Guy Boy, and Diane Darrow because -- correct me if I am wrong -- it serves as your resignation. I will take the lead, if Mike wants that, to recruit a new InfoDir for SIGCHI. I can take over some of the Web site maintenance in the interim. The person you suggested below certainly has an interest in cobbling web sites. I'll be sure to see if he is interested when we recruit a new InfoDir. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > > > I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. > > Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. > > If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful > > to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to > > be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have > > to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. > > > > Are you there? > > > > Gary > > Hi Gary, > > You have every reason to be concerned. Actually your email raises an > issue that has been on my mind for a while. I think that I simply don't > have the time to do a good job as Information Director. As web > technology continues to grow -- SIGCHI needs someone who can be more > responsive. > > U S West has been in too much turmoil since I started as Information > Director (this year I've changed jobs twice internally -- and have been > on a few external interviews). My primary job now involves development > of the corporate library web site, so somehow doing the SIGCHI web site > just isn't as much fun anymore! Also, in my current position > professional activities are considered totally extracurricular (whereas > they used to be "part of my job"). > > So, I think it is time to look for a new Information Director. I'm > happy to help. While, of course, you should advertise and talk to > several candidates-- I do know someone who is probably interested: Terry > Sullivan (check out: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/). I'm sure there > are several other folks interested in our community. > > > Let me know what I can do to help in the next stage. > > -Scott > > -- > Scott Robertson > U S WEST Advanced Technologies > 4001 Discovery Dr. > Boulder, Colorado > 80303 USA > > Tel. +1 303 541 7028 > Fax. +1 303 541 8182 > > scottrob@uswest.com > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ > From Darrow@hq.acm.org Wed Oct 23 14:16:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12790; Wed, 23 Oct 96 14:16:11 EDT Received: from mail.acm.org by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA20681; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:16:10 +0500 Received: from LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org (lan-gateway.acm.org [199.222.74.87]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA28030; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:15:54 -0400 Received: by LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org with Microsoft Mail id <326E8B16@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org>; Wed, 23 Oct 96 14:16:06 PDT From: Diane Darrow To: perlman , scottrob Cc: Diane Darrow , "atwood.chi" , Clare-Marie Karat , "guy_boy.chi" , perlman Subject: Re: web page update and your availability Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 13:53:00 PDT Message-Id: <326E8B16@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> Encoding: 97 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Length: 3826 Status: RO Hi, I am sure there is mail that comes before this, but at the risk of stepping into the middle...I would like to suggest that Scott continue on as Information Director and attend the meeting in December - As you may know we have gotten the go ahead to contract with someone to do the nuts and bolts of the website (a contractor to start). it would be helpful if Scott could identify what kind of support he would need to continue doing this. Like....how many requests do you get, comments that need to be distributed...what does it look like from you viewpoint - I realize this may take some time to identify, but if you would take a stab at it then we can start to move forward in writing a RFP for a contractor to support the effort. It would be greatly appreciated and I think it would be helpful to all of us to have some idea of what we are dealing with before we go ahead and put yet another person into this role. Thoughts anyone? thanks, diane. ---------- From: perlman To: scottrob Cc: perlman; darrow; guy_boy.chi; atwood.chi Subject: Re: web page update and your availability Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 12:57PM Scott Robertson wrote: > I'm sorry that I have not been able to do the job right lately. Thanks > for the opportunity, and I hope the redesigned web site was worth it. I think it was worth it. People like the site a lot more. Volunteer positions are never easy, but they should not involve too much sacrifice. Thanks for serving. I'm cc'ing this to Mike Atwood, Guy Boy, and Diane Darrow because -- correct me if I am wrong -- it serves as your resignation. I will take the lead, if Mike wants that, to recruit a new InfoDir for SIGCHI. I can take over some of the Web site maintenance in the interim. The person you suggested below certainly has an interest in cobbling web sites. I'll be sure to see if he is interested when we recruit a new InfoDir. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > > > I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. > > Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. > > If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful > > to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to > > be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have > > to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. > > > > Are you there? > > > > Gary > > Hi Gary, > > You have every reason to be concerned. Actually your email raises an > issue that has been on my mind for a while. I think that I simply don't > have the time to do a good job as Information Director. As web > technology continues to grow -- SIGCHI needs someone who can be more > responsive. > > U S West has been in too much turmoil since I started as Information > Director (this year I've changed jobs twice internally -- and have been > on a few external interviews). My primary job now involves development > of the corporate library web site, so somehow doing the SIGCHI web site > just isn't as much fun anymore! Also, in my current position > professional activities are considered totally extracurricular (whereas > they used to be "part of my job"). > > So, I think it is time to look for a new Information Director. I'm > happy to help. While, of course, you should advertise and talk to > several candidates-- I do know someone who is probably interested: Terry > Sullivan (check out: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/). I'm sure there > are several other folks interested in our community. > > > Let me know what I can do to help in the next stage. > > -Scott > > -- > Scott Robertson > U S WEST Advanced Technologies > 4001 Discovery Dr. > Boulder, Colorado > 80303 USA > > Tel. +1 303 541 7028 > Fax. +1 303 541 8182 > > scottrob@uswest.com > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ > From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 23 14:36:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15045; Wed, 23 Oct 96 14:36:29 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA01760; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:36:28 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610231836.OAA01760@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: web page update and your availability To: Darrow@hq.acm.org (Diane Darrow) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: <326E8B16@LAN-GATEWAY.hq.acm.org> from "Diane Darrow" at Oct 23, 96 01:53:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O This is an aside to you Diane. Basically, most of my interaction with Scott for the past two months has been, with email (and even a couple of phone calls) like: "If you do not have time to do X, I can do this, but please respond to say it's okay." with no reply. So, given that Scott has not had time to respond in any way to any requests, such as "Can I do this?" he may not be much help in overseeing a webmaster, let alone helping with the transition. My general impression is that there are few requests, although there can be times with many, such as when the webcrossing software was installed at ACM. Scott has not been able to handle any requests of late. I can update the online job description, and I think I can get Scott to look it over, so we will have a good job description. This may be as good as we can do, given that I will not be in New York in December. I CAN provide information from Columbus, too, perhaps over a speaker phone. Gary > Hi, I am sure there is mail that comes before this, but at the risk of > stepping into the middle...I would like to suggest that Scott continue on as > Information Director and attend the meeting in December - As you may know we > have gotten the go ahead to contract with someone to do the nuts and bolts > of the website (a contractor to start). it would be helpful if Scott could > identify what kind of support he would need to continue doing this. > Like....how many requests do you get, comments that need to be > distributed...what does it look like from you viewpoint - I realize this may > take some time to identify, but if you would take a stab at it then we can > start to move forward in writing a RFP for a contractor to support the > effort. It would be greatly appreciated and I think it would be helpful > to all of us to have some idea of what we are dealing with before we go > ahead and put yet another person into this role. Thoughts anyone? thanks, > diane. > ---------- > From: perlman > To: scottrob > Cc: perlman; darrow; guy_boy.chi; atwood.chi > Subject: Re: web page update and your availability > Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 12:57PM > > Scott Robertson wrote: > > I'm sorry that I have not been able to do the job right lately. Thanks > > for the opportunity, and I hope the redesigned web site was worth it. > > I think it was worth it. People like the site a lot more. > > Volunteer positions are never easy, but they should not > involve too much sacrifice. Thanks for serving. > > I'm cc'ing this to Mike Atwood, Guy Boy, and Diane Darrow > because -- correct me if I am wrong -- it serves as your > resignation. I will take the lead, if Mike wants that, > to recruit a new InfoDir for SIGCHI. I can take over some > of the Web site maintenance in the interim. > > The person you suggested below certainly has an interest > in cobbling web sites. I'll be sure to see if he is interested > when we recruit a new InfoDir. > > Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications > > > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > > > > > I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. > > > Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. > > > If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful > > > to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to > > > be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have > > > to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. > > > > > > Are you there? > > > > > > Gary > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > You have every reason to be concerned. Actually your email raises an > > issue that has been on my mind for a while. I think that I simply don't > > have the time to do a good job as Information Director. As web > > technology continues to grow -- SIGCHI needs someone who can be more > > responsive. > > > > U S West has been in too much turmoil since I started as Information > > Director (this year I've changed jobs twice internally -- and have been > > on a few external interviews). My primary job now involves development > > of the corporate library web site, so somehow doing the SIGCHI web site > > just isn't as much fun anymore! Also, in my current position > > professional activities are considered totally extracurricular (whereas > > they used to be "part of my job"). > > > > So, I think it is time to look for a new Information Director. I'm > > happy to help. While, of course, you should advertise and talk to > > several candidates-- I do know someone who is probably interested: Terry > > Sullivan (check out: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/). I'm sure there > > are several other folks interested in our community. > > > > > > Let me know what I can do to help in the next stage. > > > > -Scott > > > > -- > > Scott Robertson > > U S WEST Advanced Technologies > > 4001 Discovery Dr. > > Boulder, Colorado > > 80303 USA > > > > Tel. +1 303 541 7028 > > Fax. +1 303 541 8182 > > > > scottrob@uswest.com > > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ > > > > From atwood@nynexst.com Wed Oct 23 16:22:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27373; Wed, 23 Oct 96 16:22:18 EDT Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA23791; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:22:15 +0500 Received: from [128.209.16.85] (arthur.nynexst.com) by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA09107; Wed, 23 Oct 96 16:22:14 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:27:53 -0500 To: perlman@mailer.oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: web page update and your availability Content-Length: 383 Status: RO Gary -- Yes, I would appreciate it if you would take the lead in finding a new Information Director. I don't know the person Scott mentions, Keith Instone is a name that comes to mind when I think of 'CHI and the web, but I don't if this is a job for Keith. Thanks for taking on yet another task in what seems like a long list that you have taken on recently. Thanks -- Mike From atwood@nynexst.com Wed Oct 23 16:29:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28244; Wed, 23 Oct 96 16:29:20 EDT Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA23955; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:29:19 +0500 Received: from [128.209.16.85] (arthur.nynexst.com) by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA09430; Wed, 23 Oct 96 16:28:43 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:34:25 -0500 To: Diane Darrow , perlman , scottrob From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: web page update and your availability Cc: Diane Darrow , "atwood.chi" , Clare-Marie Karat , "guy_boy.chi" , perlman Content-Length: 4248 Status: RO Scott, I want to second Diane's request and ask that you continue as Information Director while we are search for a replacement. Your experience and insights and experiences will be valuable in helping us better define both the position and the contractor position. Thanks (in advance) -- Mike At 1:53 PM 10/23/96, Diane Darrow wrote: >Hi, I am sure there is mail that comes before this, but at the risk of >stepping into the middle...I would like to suggest that Scott continue on as >Information Director and attend the meeting in December - As you may know we >have gotten the go ahead to contract with someone to do the nuts and bolts >of the website (a contractor to start). it would be helpful if Scott could >identify what kind of support he would need to continue doing this. > Like....how many requests do you get, comments that need to be >distributed...what does it look like from you viewpoint - I realize this may >take some time to identify, but if you would take a stab at it then we can >start to move forward in writing a RFP for a contractor to support the >effort. It would be greatly appreciated and I think it would be helpful >to all of us to have some idea of what we are dealing with before we go >ahead and put yet another person into this role. Thoughts anyone? thanks, >diane. > ---------- >From: perlman >To: scottrob >Cc: perlman; darrow; guy_boy.chi; atwood.chi >Subject: Re: web page update and your availability >Date: Wednesday, October 23, 1996 12:57PM > >Scott Robertson wrote: >> I'm sorry that I have not been able to do the job right lately. Thanks >> for the opportunity, and I hope the redesigned web site was worth it. > >I think it was worth it. People like the site a lot more. > >Volunteer positions are never easy, but they should not >involve too much sacrifice. Thanks for serving. > >I'm cc'ing this to Mike Atwood, Guy Boy, and Diane Darrow >because -- correct me if I am wrong -- it serves as your >resignation. I will take the lead, if Mike wants that, >to recruit a new InfoDir for SIGCHI. I can take over some >of the Web site maintenance in the interim. > >The person you suggested below certainly has an interest >in cobbling web sites. I'll be sure to see if he is interested >when we recruit a new InfoDir. > >Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications > >> Gary PERLMAN wrote: >> > >> > I'm concerned that you have not been answering my email. >> > Maybe it's simply not getting through for some reason. >> > If you are out of town, then I think it would be useful >> > to set up an automatic reply. And if you are going to >> > be unavailable for long periods, then I think we have >> > to have a procedure for others to attend to InfoDir issues. >> > >> > Are you there? >> > >> > Gary >> >> Hi Gary, >> >> You have every reason to be concerned. Actually your email raises an >> issue that has been on my mind for a while. I think that I simply don't >> have the time to do a good job as Information Director. As web >> technology continues to grow -- SIGCHI needs someone who can be more >> responsive. >> >> U S West has been in too much turmoil since I started as Information >> Director (this year I've changed jobs twice internally -- and have been >> on a few external interviews). My primary job now involves development >> of the corporate library web site, so somehow doing the SIGCHI web site >> just isn't as much fun anymore! Also, in my current position >> professional activities are considered totally extracurricular (whereas >> they used to be "part of my job"). >> >> So, I think it is time to look for a new Information Director. I'm >> happy to help. While, of course, you should advertise and talk to >> several candidates-- I do know someone who is probably interested: Terry >> Sullivan (check out: http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/). I'm sure there >> are several other folks interested in our community. >> >> >> Let me know what I can do to help in the next stage. >> >> -Scott >> >> -- >> Scott Robertson >> U S WEST Advanced Technologies >> 4001 Discovery Dr. >> Boulder, Colorado >> 80303 USA >> >> Tel. +1 303 541 7028 >> Fax. +1 303 541 8182 >> >> scottrob@uswest.com >> http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/ >> From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 23 16:53:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00863; Wed, 23 Oct 96 16:53:45 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05825; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:53:44 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610232053.QAA05825@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: web page update and your availability To: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Atwood" at Oct 23, 96 04:27:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O > Yes, I would appreciate it if you would take the lead in finding a new > Information Director. I don't know the person Scott mentions, Keith > Instone is a name that comes to mind when I think of 'CHI and the web, but > I don't if this is a job for Keith. Thanks for taking on yet another task > in what seems like a long list that you have taken on recently. I put Keith on my short list. He might decide he has time now. He would be pretty good, and although I often question his judgement, he takes criticism constructively. Steve Guest is another person who might be interested. He had expressed interest when we first recruited. I'd like to contact a short list of people directly, first creating the short list from EC.CHI, and then consulting with EC.CHI about "applicants", and only if the results are negative, I'll go out to announcements.chi. Is this procedure okay with you? Gary From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Wed Oct 23 17:52:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07763; Wed, 23 Oct 96 17:52:25 EDT Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA25959; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:52:23 +0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14123; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03210; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:52:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: Date: 23 Oct 1996 15:50:28 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: web page update and you To: "Mike Atwood" Cc: "Clare-Marie Karat" , "Diane Darrow" , "guy_boy.chi" , "perlman" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Content-Length: 583 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>web page update and your availability Hi Mike (and Diane, Gary, Guy, Clare-Marie), I fully intended to stay with it until a replacement is found! -Scott -------------------------------------- Date: 10/23/1996 2:31 PM To: Scott Robertson From: Mike Atwood Scott, I want to second Diane's request and ask that you continue as Information Director while we are search for a replacement. Your experience and insights and experiences will be valuable in helping us better define both the position and the contractor position. Thanks (in advance) -- Mike From perlman@mailer Wed Oct 23 20:46:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21091; Wed, 23 Oct 96 20:46:54 EDT Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA29944; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:46:49 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA00765 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oclc.org (fssun10.dev.oclc.org [132.174.19.11]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id UAA23170; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:46:10 -0400 Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21009; Wed, 23 Oct 96 20:45:46 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA07294; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:45:46 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610240045.UAA07294@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: SIGCHI Infodir Update To: MAILER-DAEMON@turing.acm.org (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@acm.org, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, atwood.chi@xerox.com In-Reply-To: <9610240042.AA01570@turing.acm.org> from "Mail Delivery Subsystem" at Oct 23, 96 08:42:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 346 Status: O SIGCHI is in the process of finding a new Information Director. In the interim, I would like to receive a copy of mail sent to infodir_sigchi@acm.org. Is it possible to set up the alias to send to the current Info Dir and me? Is so, then please make it so. My email is: perlman@acm.org Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Oct 24 00:09:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01787; Thu, 24 Oct 96 00:09:53 EDT Received: from turing.acm.org by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA04290; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:09:53 +0500 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA09989; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:09:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:09:36 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9610240409.AA09989@turing.acm.org> To: clore@turing.acm.org Subject: missing files!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cc: perlman@turing.acm.org Content-Length: 800 Status: O Michael, I am missing files linked to by the SIGCHI site! ~/public_html/readings.html ~/public_html/hfeshci/*/*/* about 100 files are missing http://www.acm.org/~perlman/chiemail.gif http://www.acm.org/~perlman/email.htm http://www.acm.org/~perlman/email.db I recently looked at the hfeshci files, the gif, and the email files. There could be hundreds of missing files! What is the backup system? Something did not work with the restore. On the SIGCHI site, files are missing, too. http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/proceedings/ should be a page by virtue of a symlink Web crossing is broken: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi The CHI'97 page is broken http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi97/ This is a big problem. Really big. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From perlman@mailer Thu Oct 24 07:53:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24001; Thu, 24 Oct 96 07:53:33 EDT Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA12964; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:53:33 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA12404 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA08990; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:53:00 -0400 Received: from Minos.PARC.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16837(3)>; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:52:03 PDT Received: from oclc.org ([132.174.19.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16851(12)>; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:48:01 PDT Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23590; Thu, 24 Oct 96 07:47:56 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA19074; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:47:56 -0400 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0800207424C500F36D0F Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 04:47:56 PDT From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Subject: SIGCHI Web Site To: eec-plus.chi@xerox.com Message-Id: <199610241147.HAA19074@dev1.NISDEV> Content-Length: 637 Status: O As you may know, the ACM server on which the SIGCHI Web site resides took a hit yesterday and is back up, but many files are missing. I am following up on this, as I expect are others. I'll try to keep you posted on the recovery. Eventually, someone will ask you to report missing files, but there are currently hundreds (maybe thousands), so reporting individual files will not be productive. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications Gary PERLMAN, OCLC Online Computer Library Center 6565 Frantz Road, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Voice: +1-614-761-5058 Fax: +1-614-793-0915 Email: perlman@oclc.org WWW: www.acm.org/~perlman From scottrob@advtech.uswest.com Thu Oct 24 12:04:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22704; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:04:20 EDT Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA19337; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:04:19 +0500 Received: from mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (mh16.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26744 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:04:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from atqm.advtech.uswest.com (qmgate-28.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.28.11]) by mailhub.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21999 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:04:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:02:25 U From: "Scott Robertson" Subject: Re: SIGCHI Web Site To: "Gary PERLMAN" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.1 Content-Length: 809 Status: RO Reply to: RE>>SIGCHI Web Site >As part of the restore, I guess the old files >and permissions got clobbered. So you are >no longer the owner. That makes sense. But I mean what happened to the system? Does anyone know? >Oh PLEASE let there be backup tapes! It would be interesting to find out that ACM, of all organizations, doesn't do back ups! I'm glad to see your SIGCHI News on the home page. It seems like your publications page should replace the existing publications page. A quick zip around the sigchi site suggest nothing is missing. I notice that the redirected link for the CHI 95 Proceedings does not produce a title page because the title page is called "top.html." I tried to copy "top.html" into "index.html" but don't have permission. I can ask Keith to do it. -Scott From perlman@mailer Fri Oct 25 16:16:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22110; Fri, 25 Oct 96 16:16:43 EDT Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA28110; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:16:43 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA05971 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA30892; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:16:01 -0400 Received: from Toucan.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <16684(8)>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:08:04 PDT Received: from oclc.org ([132.174.19.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <18127(10)>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:00:29 PDT Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17130; Fri, 25 Oct 96 15:33:13 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01945; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:33:13 -0400 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0800207424C500F389B9 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:33:13 PDT From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Subject: ACM SIGCHI Web Site To: eec-plus.chi@xerox.com Message-Id: <199610251933.PAA01945@dev1.NISDEV> Content-Length: 898 Status: RO The ACM Website has been restored (or so we think). I am appending the official status, so if you notice something is missing, please send mail to support@acm.org. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications On Wedndesday Oct. 23, we had to restore files on turing from backup. All of the files under user home directories were recovered as of Oct. 23 at approx. 1:30am. Files under the main WWW document root we recovered as of Oct. 17. Files installed between Oct. 17 ~3pm and Oct. 23 were not recovered and need to be installed again. Some of the file privleges may not be correct (e.g. you might find directory with group kmem.) CGI scripts that write files to disk might be broken because this. If you have any problems, let us know, and we will fix it ASAP. We are notifying everyone who might have lost some files. Problems and questions can be sent to support@acm.org. From perlman@oclc.org Fri Oct 25 16:43:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25001; Fri, 25 Oct 96 16:43:11 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09798; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:43:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:43:10 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610252043.QAA09798@dev1.NISDEV> To: ec.chi@xerox.com Subject: Information Director opening Cc: perlman@dev1 Status: O Scott Robertson no longer has time to work as our Information Director. I would like to gather suggestions from the SIGCHI EC about whom to recruit. If we can not get a satisfactory list, or if our recruiting is unsuccessful, then (and only then) I would go out to announcements.chi. I have a short list of people to contact, and would like your (candid) comments and suggestions about people to add (or delete): [] tsull@anet-dfw.com Terry Sullivan http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/ suggested by Scott Robertson, has a nice page [] S.P.Guest@lut.ac.uk Steve Guest was interested last time we recruited worked on CHI'96 proceedings [] instone@cs.bgsu.edu Keith Instone http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/~instone worked on the CHI'95 InfoDir for SIGLINK maintainer of a great HCI index (HCI-VL) In the meantime, I will be try to coordinate InfoDir activities; Scott has agreed to help with the transition. I want to get this moving soon. We are expecting a baby in December, and I will have much less free time for SIGCHI in the 1st quarter of 1997. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From perlman@mailer Mon Oct 28 11:10:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28239; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:10:01 EST Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA14968; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:09:59 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA03325 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from oclc.org (fssun10.dev.oclc.org [132.174.19.11]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA38484; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:09:09 -0500 Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28092; Mon, 28 Oct 96 11:09:02 EST Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18861; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:09:01 -0500 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610281609.LAA18861@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: SIGCHI page part generators To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: perlman@acm.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 729 Status: O Scott, I created: /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/bin with some scripts for generating standard headers and footers. I've only updated a few pages (homepage and what's new) and added a news.html page. genheader title # generates the page header genfooter URL # generates the page footer with relative URL The main change that is noticable is that I have replaced the RCS date string with a date that is generated at gen-time. I made the URL at the bottom a hot link. I moved the 3-star award to the site news. The scripts include comments about what sections are generated so people can replace old generated parts with new generarted parts. Eventually, when things change at the site Hope this is okay with you. Gary From perlman@mailer Fri Oct 25 16:52:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25949; Fri, 25 Oct 96 16:52:36 EDT Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA28959; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:52:36 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA07204 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA02718 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:52:01 -0400 Received: from Toucan.Parc.Xerox.xns by alpha.xerox.com via XNS id <18471(6)>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:47:11 PDT Received: from oclc.org ([132.174.19.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <19164(5)>; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:43:20 PDT Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25001; Fri, 25 Oct 96 16:43:11 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09798; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:43:10 -0400 X-Ns-Transport-Id: 0800207424C500F38AB2 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:43:10 PDT From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Subject: Information Director opening To: ec.chi@xerox.com Cc: perlman@mailer.oclc.org Message-Id: <199610252043.QAA09798@dev1.NISDEV> Content-Length: 1103 Status: O Scott Robertson no longer has time to work as our Information Director. I would like to gather suggestions from the SIGCHI EC about whom to recruit. If we can not get a satisfactory list, or if our recruiting is unsuccessful, then (and only then) I would go out to announcements.chi. I have a short list of people to contact, and would like your (candid) comments and suggestions about people to add (or delete): [] tsull@anet-dfw.com Terry Sullivan http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/ suggested by Scott Robertson, has a nice page [] S.P.Guest@lut.ac.uk Steve Guest was interested last time we recruited worked on CHI'96 proceedings [] instone@cs.bgsu.edu Keith Instone http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/~instone worked on the CHI'95 InfoDir for SIGLINK maintainer of a great HCI index (HCI-VL) In the meantime, I will be try to coordinate InfoDir activities; Scott has agreed to help with the transition. I want to get this moving soon. We are expecting a baby in December, and I will have much less free time for SIGCHI in the 1st quarter of 1997. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From atwood@nynexst.com Thu Oct 24 15:02:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10602; Thu, 24 Oct 96 15:02:26 EDT Received: from nynexst.com (texas.nynexst.com) by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA24221; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:02:25 +0500 Received: from [128.209.16.85] (arthur.nynexst.com) by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA27685; Thu, 24 Oct 96 14:48:58 EDT X-Sender: atwood@asterix.nynexst.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:54:38 -0500 To: perlman@mailer.oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) From: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood) Subject: Re: web page update and your availability Content-Length: 1016 Status: RO Gary -- Sounds like a great way to proceed. Thanks again for leading this. -- Mike >> Yes, I would appreciate it if you would take the lead in finding a new >> Information Director. I don't know the person Scott mentions, Keith >> Instone is a name that comes to mind when I think of 'CHI and the web, but >> I don't if this is a job for Keith. Thanks for taking on yet another task >> in what seems like a long list that you have taken on recently. > >I put Keith on my short list. He might decide he has time now. >He would be pretty good, and although I often question his judgement, >he takes criticism constructively. > >Steve Guest is another person who might be interested. >He had expressed interest when we first recruited. > >I'd like to contact a short list of people directly, >first creating the short list from EC.CHI, >and then consulting with EC.CHI about "applicants", >and only if the results are negative, >I'll go out to announcements.chi. > >Is this procedure okay with you? > >Gary From perlman@oclc.org Thu Oct 24 12:36:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26391; Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:35:00 EDT Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA11439; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:35:00 -0400 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610241635.MAA11439@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: SIGCHI Web Site To: scottrob@advtech.uswest.com (Scott Robertson) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman), instone@cs.bgsu.edu, clore@acm.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Robertson" at Oct 24, 96 10:02:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO > Reply to: RE>>SIGCHI Web Site > > >As part of the restore, I guess the old files > >and permissions got clobbered. So you are > >no longer the owner. > > That makes sense. > > But I mean what happened to the system? Does anyone know? > > I'm glad to see your SIGCHI News on the home page. It seems like your > publications page should replace the existing publications page. Well, that should wait to see if ACM updates their online catalog 10/31. > A quick zip around the sigchi site suggest nothing is missing. I notice that > the redirected link for the CHI 95 Proceedings does not produce a title page > because the title page is called "top.html." I tried to copy "top.html" into > "index.html" but don't have permission. I can ask Keith to do it. There is a larger problem (of course). lrwxrwxrwx 1 instone kmem 20 Oct 23 19:09 /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/chi95/proceedings@ -> Electronic/documnts/ So instone is the owner, but look at the group: kmem Keith is not in the kmem group, so the groups are wrong on some of the files restored. Michael, could you please place some info in /etc/motd? Or, put something on http://www.acm.org/infodir/ Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications From steven@cwi.nl Mon Oct 28 04:15:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25931; Mon, 28 Oct 96 04:15:42 EST Received: from hera.cwi.nl by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA02603; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 04:15:40 +0500 Received: from sijs.cwi.nl by hera.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:15:39 +0100 Received: by sijs id ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:15:37 GMT From: "Steven Pemberton" Message-Id: <9610281015.ZM29358@sijs.cwi.nl> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:15:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) "Information Director opening" (Oct 25, 1:43pm) References: <199610252043.QAA09798@dev1.NISDEV> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: perlman@mailer.oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Subject: Re: Information Director opening Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 408 Status: RO Between you and me, I would have doubts about Steve Guest's abilities to do a high-class job. I suspect that Keith Instone has no time for the task (he was CHI hypermedia bod, but gave it up). A possible is Hans de Graaff, J.J.deGraaff@twi.tudelft.nl (he's the producer of one of the HCI pages). Best wishes, Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl Editor-in-Chief, ACM SIGCHI Bulletin From perlman@turing.acm.org Mon Oct 28 16:05:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04299; Mon, 28 Oct 96 16:04:59 EST Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA25534; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:44:26 +0500 Received: from mail.acm.org (mail.acm.org [199.222.69.4]) by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.8.0/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA02406 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.acm.org (turing.acm.org [199.222.69.20]) by mail.acm.org (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA19800; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:50:43 -0500 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA26747; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:50:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:50:42 -0500 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9610281550.AA26747@turing.acm.org> To: sigchi_infodir@acm.org Subject: standardized pageheaders/pagefooters at SIGCHI Site Cc: perlman@acm.org Content-Length: 0 Status: RO Scott, I created: /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/bin with some scripts for generating standard headers and footers. I've only updated a few pages (homepage and what's new) and added a news.html page. genheader title # generates the page header genfooter URL # generates the page footer with relative URL The main change that is noticable is that I have replaced the RCS date string with a date that is generated at gen-time. I made the URL at the bottom a hot link. I moved the 3-star award to the site news. The scripts include comments about what sections are generated so people can replace old generated parts with new generarted parts. Eventually, when things change at the site Hope this is okay with you. Gary From steven@cwi.nl Tue Oct 29 04:30:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: from mailer.oclc.org (mailer.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15393; Tue, 29 Oct 96 04:30:07 EST Received: from hera.cwi.nl by mailer.oclc.org (5.0/SMI-4.1) id AA17300; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 04:30:03 +0500 Received: from sijs.cwi.nl by hera.cwi.nl with SMTP id ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:29:58 +0100 Received: by sijs id ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:29:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:29:58 +0100 From: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl Message-Id: <9610290929.AA09588=steven@sijs> To: Gary PERLMAN Cc: eec.chi@xerox.com Subject: Re: ACM SIGCHI Web Site Content-Length: 25739 Status: RO Here are the messages from a checkbot. I will follow up on the chi97 and Bulletin problems myself. 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http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chivas/no-image.gif //sigchi/chivas/chivas-sv.html http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chivas/chivas-00.html //sigchi/chivas/chivas-tutorials.html http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chivas/chivas-office.html //sigchi/chivas/grudin.html http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chivas/grudin1.gif //sigchi/cscw96/local.html http://www.pressxpress.com/boston //sigchi/cscw96/whatsnew.html http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/conferences/pdc96/pdc96.htm //sigchi/documents/av.html http://www.acm.org/sigchi/Homepage-new.html http://www.acm.org/sigchi/documents/images/hrfadeblue.gif //sigchi/whats-new/ http://www.acm.org/sigchi/whats-new/officers.html 404 Not found - file doesn't exist or is read protected [even tried multi] //sigchi/chi95/Roster/detienne.html http://zenon.inria.fr:8003/Equipes/PSYCHO-ERGO-eng.html //sigchi/chi96/ap/coop.html http://www.acm.org/sig_hp/SIGCAPH.html From perlman@oclc.org Tue Oct 29 09:03:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01500; Tue, 29 Oct 96 09:00:10 EST Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09046; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:00:10 -0500 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610291400.JAA09046@dev1.NISDEV> Subject: Re: ACM SIGCHI Web Site (fwd) To: clore@acm.org, support@acm.org Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:00:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: atwood.chi@xerox.com, guy_boy.chi@xerox.com, darrow@ny.hq.acm.org, perlman@mailhost (Gary Perlman), tauber@uni-paderborn.de, infodir_sigchi@acm.org, pemberton.chi@xerox.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Michael, Steven Pemberton ran a checking program on the SIGCHI web site. There are still many files missing. Are they going to be restored? What is the current plan? Longer term, I think we need to take up the topic of backups and what to do when there is a crash. This is, in my view, a top priority for SIGCHI. Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications Forwarded message: > From steven@cwi.nl Tue Oct 29 04:30:08 1996 > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:29:58 +0100 > From: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl > Message-Id: <9610290929.AA09588=steven@sijs> > To: Gary PERLMAN > Cc: eec.chi@xerox.com > Subject: Re: ACM SIGCHI Web Site > Content-Length: 25739 > > Here are the messages from a checkbot. I will follow up on the chi97 > and Bulletin problems myself. > > Steven > > 403 Forbidden - user's directory no longer exists (they may have left) > > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/vb_bdy.htm > http://www.york.ac.uk/~sjbs1/amodeus/summaries.html > http://www.york.ac.uk/~sjbs1/ > > 404 File Not Found > > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/orgover/dan_bdy.htm > http://www.apple.com/documents/newton.html > > 404 No such file or directory. > > //sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/local-sigs.html > http://www.xmission.com/~larry/nuchi.html > > 404 Not Found > > //sigchi/chi95/AP/HomePage.html > http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/forms/Get-AP.html > //sigchi/chi95/Call/HomePage.html > http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/forms/Get-paper.html > //sigchi/chi95/Denver/HomePage.html > http://www.boco.co.gov/~aemlu/skiing.html > http://poe.acc.virginia.edu/~dss2k/isles/denver/denver.html > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/videos/mhb_bdy.htm > http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/SRC/research-reports/abstracts/src-rr-130.html > //sigchi/chi95/Roster/pemberton.html > http://www.cwi.nl/ftp/steven/www/sigchi.html/ > //sigchi/chi96/proceedings/papers/Darken/Rpd_txt.htm > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/darken/publications/Dissertation_95/thesis.html > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/darken/publications/Toolset_UIST93/navigation_toolset.html > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/darken/research/wayfinding/wayfinding_summary.html > //sigchi/chi96/proceedings/workshop/Boyd/bc_txt.htm > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/darken/ > //sigchi/chivas/chivas-reception.html > http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/users/l/larettin/www/ > > 404 Not found > > //sigchi/bulletin/1994.4/editorial.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1994.4/drijken@artmediatech.nl > //sigchi/bulletin/1995.4/students.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1995.4/khorwitz@ccmail.com > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1995.4/nielsenp@cgs.edu > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1995.4/wiseb@cs.rpi.edu > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1995.4/chi96-students@acm.org > //sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/editorial.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin.Atanytime,themostrecentissueisaccessibleonlyforSIGCHImembers,sobesuretohaveyourACMmembershipnumbertohandthefirsttimeyougoalong:youcanthenchooseausernameandpasswordforyourself. > //sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/education.html > http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~perlman/uidesign.html > //sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/mack.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/FN2src > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1996.2/FN1src > //sigchi/chi95/AP/Committees.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Roster.kerssens-a.html > //sigchi/chi95/AP/HouseReg.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95.html > //sigchi/chi95/AP/TechProg.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/AP/videos.html > //sigchi/chi95/AP/wk-cog.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/AP/wk-button.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Call/DL-D16.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Call/SHPapers.html > //sigchi/chi95/Call/Registration.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Call/Contact-Gen.html > //sigchi/chi95/Denver/HomePage.html > http://akebono.stanford.edu/yahoo/Entertainment/Sports/Skiing_Snow/ > http://akebono.stanford.edu/yahoo/Entertainment/Sports/Basketball/NBA/Teams/Denver_Nuggets > http://akebono.stanford.edu/yahoo/Entertainment/Sports/Football_American/NFL/Teams/Denver_Broncos/ > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/author.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/gwfx_bdy.htm > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/demos/cf_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/demos/cf_fg1.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/ak_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/ak_fg.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/akm_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/akm_snap.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/at_fig1.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_fg1.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_fg2.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_fg5.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_fg3.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/pmf_fg4.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/tc_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/doctoral/trc_fg1.pic > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/dsgbrief/ldj_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/dsgbrief/ldj_fg3.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/intpost/toc.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/documnts/shortppr/ol1_bdy.htm > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/orgover/dan_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/orgover/dan_fg1.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/orgover/jmiller@apple.com > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/panels/gen_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/panels/pprrefs > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/djk_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/djk_fg0.mov > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/fms_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/fms_tb1.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/gwf_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/gwf_figs/gwfitb1.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/gwfz_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/gwfx_df1.mov > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/hl_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/hl_bdy.mov > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/jdm_bdy.htm > 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http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/mbr1fg3.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/mbr1fg1.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/ppppg1.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq14.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq15.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq17.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq18.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq12.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/Footnote3 > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq13.gif > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/ppp_figs/pppeq16.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/papers/rh_bdy.htm > 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http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/cp-qt3.mov > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/cp-qt2.mov > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/videos/cp_fg2.gif > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/videos/hp_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/hp_fg2.mov > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/hp_fg5.mov > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/hp_fg4.mov > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/videos/ta_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/ta_qt12.mov > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/quicktme/ta_qt1.mov > //sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/workshop/toc.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/Electronic/documnts/workshop/bf_bdy.htm > //sigchi/chi95/proceedings/author.html > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/documnts/papers/gwfz_bdy.htm > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi95/proceedings/papers/gwfx_bdy.htm > //sigchi/chi95/proceedings/demos/cf_bdy.htm > 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perlman@oclc.org); Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:31:24 -0500 Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:31:24 -0500 From: BARBEE.E.TEASLEY@x400gw.ameritech.com Received: by portal2.ameritech.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Tue, 29 Oct 1996 19:31:24 -0500 Date: 29 Oct 96 14:54:13 -0600 To: perlman@mailer.oclc.org Cc: ec.chi@xerox.com Subject: Information Director opening In-Reply-To: <199610252043.QAA09798@dev1.NISDEV> Message-Id: Content-Length: 1547 Status: RO I'd like to rave in favor of Keith Instone. I do not know the other two people suggested, but I've worked closely with Keith for many years. He's reliable, knowledgeable, innovative and a peach to work with. I also sense he's looking for interesting challenges. He and his wife have a baby coming in April (I think). I don't know how much of a deterrent that would be, if any. Barbee > Scott Robertson no longer has time to work as our Information Director. > I would like to gather suggestions from the SIGCHI EC about whom to recruit. > If we can not get a satisfactory list, or if our recruiting is unsuccessful, > then (and only then) I would go out to announcements.chi. > > I have a short list of people to contact, > and would like your (candid) comments > and suggestions about people to add (or delete): > > [] tsull@anet-dfw.com Terry Sullivan http://www.anet-dfw.com/~tsull/ > suggested by Scott Robertson, has a nice page > [] S.P.Guest@lut.ac.uk Steve Guest > was interested last time we recruited > worked on CHI'96 proceedings > [] instone@cs.bgsu.edu Keith Instone http://www.cs.bgsu.edu/~instone > worked on the CHI'95 > InfoDir for SIGLINK > maintainer of a great HCI index (HCI-VL) > > In the meantime, I will be try to coordinate InfoDir activities; > Scott has agreed to help with the transition. > > I want to get this moving soon. We are expecting a baby in December, > and I will have much less free time for SIGCHI in the 1st quarter of 1997. > > Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications > From perlman@oclc.org Wed Oct 30 12:12:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from dev1.NISDEV (dev1.dev.oclc.org) by oclc.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10033; Wed, 30 Oct 96 12:12:18 EST Received: by dev1.NISDEV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25748; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:12:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:12:18 -0500 From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN) Message-Id: <199610301712.MAA25748@dev1.NISDEV> To: pemberton.chi@xerox.com Subject: http://www.acm.org:82/sigs/sigchi/bulletin/1996.1/isaacs.html Cc: perlman@dev1 Status: O Table 4 and Table 5 are not properly formatted. They are supposed to be in 
       tags,
but these tags did not get done properly
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Gary, Hi.

Gary PERLMAN wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Steven Pemberton ran a checking program on the SIGCHI web site.
> There are still many files missing.

We've been looking into this problem.  At least a number of those
broken links are references to files that were not installed
on turing.  For example, the files listed under the CHI95 proceedings
were not installed.  Also, I see some listing under CHI97, and
Eddy restored that area from the original source, right.  As another
example, I also see a broken link under /sigchi/whats-new/ and
that page appears to be okay.

I'll let you know as soon as I learn more.  I'm waiting to hear back
from the sysadmin.

> Longer term, I think we need to take up the topic of backups
> and what to do when there is a crash.  This is, in my view,
> a top priority for SIGCHI.

Yes.  We are very concerned about it also and have already
made some changes. The support staff are going to develop a disaster
recovery plan, and will send it to appropriate groups for review
( e.g. information directors and the ESWG).  It will be available
on-line for everyone to see and will include the backup schedule.
Next week, we'll set deadlines and milestones for the plan.


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I have updated the SIGCHI Web Site and the home page
now contains a "SIGCHI News" section which will contain
a couple of new news items every week (with a link to
all the news items gathered).  Check it out at:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

Gary PERLMAN, OCLC Online Computer Library Center
6565 Frantz Road, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA
Voice: +1-614-761-5058  Fax: +1-614-793-0915
Email: perlman@oclc.org WWW: www.acm.org/~perlman

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Hi Keith,

As you may know, Scott Robertson can no longer serve as
the SIGCHI InfoDir.  I am charged with the task of finding
a new InfoDir for SIGCHI.  By convention, the InfoDir
reports to the SIGCHI EC through the VC-Pubs (maybe because
the Website is a sort of publication).

You are on my short list for the position.
Okay, you are at the top of the short list.
Barbee Teasley was a strong proponent.
And I am very familiar with your fine work.

We have an InfoDir page, which is pretty up to date, at:
	www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
It links to my InfoDir job description,
a job description for the email director,
who we are currently recruiting,
and notes on the SIGCHI Web Site pages
(these notes are slightly inaccurate
as I just updated the whole site with
server-side includes, which is how the
new SIGCHI News is inserted in the SIGCHI page).

The InfoDir job description lists the minimal benefits,
but I know you are an information junkie,
so you might find it is a fun job.
The SIGCHI EC has come to acknowledge the importance
of the InfoDIr, and would like the InfoDir to participate
more with the month-to-month activities,
such as the monthly EC conference call
and three face-to-face meetings a year
(there is one scheduled in early December,
which I think you would be invited to attend.)

I see you are expecting in March.
We are expecting in December
(so I will not be at the SIGCHI New York meeting).
Maybe becoming the SIGCHI InfoDir is a bad idea,
given the time drain you will soon encounter,
but you ARE editing your final SIGLINK newsletter,
and SIGCHI IS going to take over CHI95 (oops, that
would fall back into your lap!).
But, I have worked pretty hard to organize the InfoDir's job,
and it does not have to be much work for you,
although, if you look at the InfoDir job description,
there are plenty of things you could initiate.
Also, SIGCHI is going to hire at least a part of
a technical person to see to some day-to-day stuff
(that person would work closely with the InfoDir).
I am trying to turn the InfoDir into more of a
creative director than it is right now.
And another feature of the job is potential impact:
SIGCHI has over 5000 members, and with my new newsbox
on the SIGCHI home page, there should be a lot of impact
of the SIGCHI Web site.  Or maybe work YOU would do
would make people flock to the site.

And, keep in mind that this is a volunteer position,
so you are not expected to devote yourself beyond your means.
If you can't make it to all the meetings, then so be it.
Confidentially, you could get by with a few hours a month,
although the sky is the limit on what you could tinker with.

Think it over and check a box in the following form:
 [ ] Yes, I will do it!  Let the bytes start flowing.
 [ ] Very well, I will serve SIGCHI, subject to my schedule limitations.
 [ ] Grudgingly, I will accept the position.
and send it back to me.  Please do not modify the form!

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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Yes, I will think about it. Just FYI: I *am* learning to say
no, after many cases of not being smart enough to do so. For example,
I declined a chance to run for a SIGLINK office because of the
cost to benefit ratio (I might have actually won!).

SIGCHI ID has a completely different cost to benefit ratio, so
I will not decline the offer right away.

The baby coming in March won't be as much of a deciding factor as
a potential job change.....


Keith

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Gary, it looks good.  Thanks for doing all this. I was also taking a look
at the education survey. I don't think I've sent in an update on our
program for a few years. Are you looking for updates?

I also noted your new address. Are you full time at OCLC now, or combining
it with Ohio State?

--t



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> Yes, I will think about it. Just FYI: I *am* learning to say
> no, after many cases of not being smart enough to do so. For example,
> I declined a chance to run for a SIGLINK office because of the
> cost to benefit ratio (I might have actually won!).

I'm not sure of the membeship size for SIGLINK,
but SIGCHI dwarfs it in many ways.

> SIGCHI ID has a completely different cost to benefit ratio, so
> I will not decline the offer right away.

My fingers are crossed.
What can I do to convince you?

> The baby coming in March won't be as much of a deciding factor as
> a potential job change.....

A job change could have a big effect.
It might be a good negotiating point.
For example, being the SIGCHI InfoDir (for 5K+ members),
might help you get a job (or a better job).
And having an official position might convince
an employer that some of your time should be
allocated to professional activities.

Gary

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> I'm not sure of the membeship size for SIGLINK,
> but SIGCHI dwarfs it in many ways.

MANY MANY MANY ways. Yep, tons more benefit for SIGCHI.


> A job change could have a big effect.

Yep. Like, see, if I want to become a Web/HCI consultant--SIGCHI
ID would be a good job. But if I went into industry, it
could get in the way if the employer wasn't understanding.
Since chances are I will already be severly limiting myself
geographically, I may not want to also limit to industry
places that put up with the professional activities. And if
I stay at BGSU in CS, being SIGCHI ID would not be a problem,
but moving to a different part of the university might.

It all has to do with the direction I want to take with my
life. So I hope you can wait a few days.....


Keith

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I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50 wrote:
> 
> Scott
> 
> The Web version of the DIS call is almost complete from our side.  Internal
> links within the page are being finalised.  The whole file can be sent over on
> Monday. For this Antoine van Rooij is your contact.  His details are:
> 
> telephone: +31 40 2734398
> email:  free003@ehv.design.philips.com
> 
> Please can you let him know where you want it sent and how.

Ian,

Someone associated with DIS '97 should be identified as the person who will 
maintain the content on your web site.  Send that person's contact information 
(name, address, and phone) to clore@acm.org and an account will be established 
for him/her.  Once the account is established, that person can log into acm.org 
and modify the web files.

-Scott

-- 
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA 

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

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All --

I've also had very good interactions with Keith; if he were willing, I
think he could do an excellent job.

Having said that, I'll again raise the question of whether we should be
re-thinking the nature of the Vice-Chair/Publications job, and expanding
its charter to include the kinds of "information publishing" activities
that might be otherwise be done by an Information Director.  This is based
on the belief (observation?) that these two jobs are growing together so
much that separating them seems futile and counter-productive.  This is not
a fiendish plan to get more work out of Gary (really!), since the VC could
obviously be working with an appropriate set of collegues to get the work
done, but I'll note that much of what Gary has been reporting to us on has
been a merger of Publications and Information, and it's seemed very natural
to me.

We could do this without a change in the by-laws, simply by deciding that
these information-related tasks should be covered by VC-Pubs.  I'll also
note that the upcoming election puts at an ideal point in time to make a
change like this.

Thoughts (perhaps especially from Gary)?

Jim



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Jim Miller wrote:
> I'll again raise the question of whether we should be
> re-thinking the nature of the Vice-Chair/Publications job, and expanding
> its charter to include the kinds of "information publishing" activities
> that might be otherwise be done by an Information Director.  This is based
> on the belief (observation?) that these two jobs are growing together so
> much that separating them seems futile and counter-productive.  This is not
> a fiendish plan to get more work out of Gary (really!), since the VC could
> obviously be working with an appropriate set of colleagues to get the work
> done, but I'll note that much of what Gary has been reporting to us on has
> been a merger of Publications and Information, and it's seemed very natural
> to me.
> 
> We could do this without a change in the by-laws, simply by deciding that
> these information-related tasks should be covered by VC-Pubs.  I'll also
> note that the upcoming election puts at an ideal point in time to make a
> change like this.
> 
> Thoughts (perhaps especially from Gary)?

(Trivia for those who might be wondering: The SIGCHI Adjunct Chair
for Information is a SIGCHI title, while the title "Information Director"
(InfoDir) is one used by ACM Network Services to designate a SIG's
contact person for computer-system-related issues such as websites,
email lists, etc.  The two names refer to the same position for SIGCHI.)

I agree that the distinctions between the jobs are fuzzy.
To me, the distinction is between policy and procedure.
The VC-Pubs, as a member of the executive committee,
is SIGCHI's point of contact on publication policy,
while the Information Director is the point of contact
on network services (not necessarily publications) procedures.
While I agree that it makes sense to view our website as
a sort of publication, it is very different from more
formal publications like the Bulletin, interactions, or TOCHI,
although it has many similarities with the Bulletin,
serving as an information resource for SIGCHI (not just
because the online Bulletin is now embedded in the SIGCHI site).

The SIGCHI website (and eventually the email service) serves
not just the area of publications (and thereby the VC-Pubs):
  publications   VC-Pubs   online Bulletin, online proceedings, online catalog
  conferences    VC-Confs  advance program, online proceedings, email lists
  communications VC-Comms  officers, SIGCHI email lists, databases, WebX
  projects       VC-Ops    project archives (e.g., CDG report, EDU survey)
Note that some information artifacts fall into more than one VC area,
and some artifacts (e.g., WebX = Web Crossing Discussion Forum software)
may not fall well into any area.

There are activities of VC-Pubs that fall outside the area of the InfoDir:
  CHI Plus
  CHI Videos
  CHI Proceedings
	although there is little interaction (perhaps too little)
  CHI-related publications (TOCHI, interactions, Bulletin)
	although these are running just fine on their own

I think that the association of the InfoDir with VC-Pubs is
more historical than one that is a requirement for the job.
The past two VC-Pubs (me and Jakob Nielsen) are both Infoholics.
If some of the other VCs were Webaholics, then we might be
having the same discussion about another VC-area and InfoDir.

So, I conclude that the InfoDir is part of SIGCHI's IT infrastructure
and not part of the policy-making executive structure.
I like the idea of the InfoDir being part of a broad infrastructure,
but I think it is a mistake for the InfoDir to be excluded from policy-making.
Having the SIGCHI Bulletin Editor as an ex officio (non-voting) member
of the SIGCHI EC is extremely valuable to the SIGCHI EC,
and I think that elevating the SIGCHI InfoDir to a similar level
(either by a change of bylaws or by convention) would be valuable,
not only to draw from the technical expertise of the InfoDir,
but also to make the InfoDir feel (and be) more involved in policy.

So, my current view is that the Information Director should not
be equated with VC-Pubs, but the InfoDir should work, as appropriate,
on many tasks associated with different VCs and Adjunct Chairs.
To perform these task well, I think the InfoDir should obtain an elevated
status (at least on an informal level).  I think that the SIGCHI EC,
in particular the Chair, has acknowledged this, but did so at a time
when the job turned over.  If SIGCHI does hire (part of) a webmaster,
then perhaps we do not need to elevate the InfoDir and instead can
have different VCs interact with the webmaster for different topics,
perhaps reporting to the EC through one VC (perhaps Pubs).
I haven't been able to get any information about the hire possibility,
but it appears to be a certainty about which there is no information.
I would hope that as the SIGCHI EC point of contact for the InfoDir,
that I would be involved in providing input to the job description.

To me, the ideal resolution to the SIGCHI Information Infrastructure
situation is to have a (part of) full-time person to work on the
current website, but also our email lists, database dreams, etc.,
who would communicate with the SIGCHI EC through the InfoDir.
That is, requests would come from the SIGCHI EC for services,
and the InfoDir would provide guidance on technical issues to the EC
and follow up with the staff person to make sure things happened.
The InfoDir would be a resource for the entire SIGCHI EC, and the EEC.
I think the InfoDir should report to the EC in much the same way as
does the Bulletin Editor (who is appointed by the Chair but in no way,
constitutionally, reports to VC-Pubs).

I think we have to wait to see what happens with the staff position
and my current recruiting activities for a new InfoDir to see
if my ideal situation (or someone else's ideal situation) comes about.

Well, that's enough for now.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications and
                         Information Infrastructure Wonk

Gary PERLMAN, OCLC Online Computer Library Center
6565 Frantz Road, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA
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Email: perlman@oclc.org WWW: www.acm.org/~perlman

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I'm not sending this to you to pressure you,
but I wanted to tell you that I've received several
notes about how people think you would be a great InfoDir.

> Yep. Like, see, if I want to become a Web/HCI consultant--SIGCHI
> ID would be a good job. But if I went into industry, it
> could get in the way if the employer wasn't understanding.
> Since chances are I will already be severly limiting myself
> geographically, I may not want to also limit to industry
> places that put up with the professional activities. And if
> I stay at BGSU in CS, being SIGCHI ID would not be a problem,
> but moving to a different part of the university might.
> 
> It all has to do with the direction I want to take with my
> life. So I hope you can wait a few days.....
> 
> Keith

I've thought a little more about your concerns above.
Depending on your timeframe, being SIGCHI InfoDir
might be an ideal stepping stone, even if it were
only for a short period.  By that I mean that
even a six month tenure would be good for SIGCHI and it
might be good for you.  From the SIGCHI side, elections
are coming up, and it is possible that even if you were
the SIGCHI InfoDir, you might be replaced by the new Chair
7/1/97 (although a Chair would be crazy to oust a bird in the hand).
And even if you resigned the position after six months,
say to take a new job that did not want you spending your time
on SIGCHI, you would still have had enough time to contribute.
More from your side: You could make the SIGCHI site a showcase
for the sort of work you would like to be doing, and/or for
the type of work for which you want to be known as an expert.
If you are currently looking for a new job, then the six
month time frame may be too short for you, but if you were
looking to be looking in the summer, then a short stint
as SIGCHI InfoDir might be ideal for your career plans.

I honestly do not want you to over-extend yourself,
but I do want you to see the position as filling a need you might have.
Confidentially, wanting an extra calling card to look a new job
was a factor in my deciding to run for SIGCHI office.
And, I wanted to make it clear that I am not looking for
a commitment of years; a six-month stint would be worthwhile
from SIGCHI's point of view (IMHO), although a three-month
"special guest appearance" would probably not be (although,
you would have a zero-time start-up period, so maybe....).

So, please make a decision based on your needs.

Gary

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Subject: new SIGCHI Information Director: Keith Instone
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Administrators Note: Please update your files! See below.

As you may know, new obligations forced Scott Robertson
to resign as the SIGCHI Information Director last month.
Scott has been continuing as interim InfoDir since then.
Scott's redesign of our web site:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
was highly rated by Magellan:
	http://www.mckinley.com/
and he will be missed.  Thanks, Scott.

I am very pleased to announce that Keith Instone
has agreed to serve as SIGCHI Information Director.
Keith is a Web/HCI researcher at Bowling Green State University
in Ohio, and is well known as the author of the web pages
for the HCI Virtual Library:
	http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/hcivl/
SIGLINK members will recognize him as their outgoing
Newsletter editor.  But in Ohio, Keith is known as the
coiner of our local SIGCHI chapter name: BuckCHI.

Mailing list and other updates:

ACM:
	Change infodir_sigchi@acm.org to instone@cs.bgsu.edu
	Update any InfoDir lists/pages.
Xerox:
	Scott Robertson can be removed from chi lists at Xerox.
	Keith should be added to adjunct.chi@xerox.com
		(which will transitively include him in eec.chi@xerox.com;
		but the Chair might want Keith in ec.chi instread).

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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OK, I am willing to serve as SIGCHI infodir, reluctantly.
I am reluctant because I am very busy right now and I will
not be able to do as good of a job as I want to. In all
seriousness, the "standard" that previous IDs have set has
influenced my decision. I will do the best that I can, and
I am sure I will do a good enough job, even though I will 
not be doing the job good enough to please myself.

So, add me to any SIGCHI lists that I now have to be on.
I should be all set on acm.org in case any fires need to be
put out, but I won't get any new projects started right away.


Keith

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
this up.  Gary

On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45 wrote:

> 
> Scott
> 
> Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed to be the
> DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.  
> 
> Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I suggest
> Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per telephone, with
> the location information.
> 
> Ian
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> 
>          Date: 11/08/96
>          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     - NLEVNVX1
>       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> 
> 
> Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> From: Scott Robertson 
> Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"   ds.philips.nl>,
>         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> 
> Ian and Antoine,
> 
> I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> response.
> 
> At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> the material to acm.org.
> 
> If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> for you.
> 
> For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> as you request.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
>            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  - nlccmail
> 
> 


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Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
To: support@acm.org, clore@acm.org
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Cc: c834997@nlccmail.snads.philips.nl, scottrob@uswest.com, sues@umich.edu,
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It must be Scott's lucky day!
Keith Instone is, as of this morning, the SIGCHI InfoDir.
In the meantime, lest the dust settle, I'll try to help.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

Michael Clore or support@acm.org:
	Please set up an account on turing.acm.org for Gary Olson.
		gmo@umich.edu
	Add him to the sigchi group (68) so he can create a dis97 directory
	in the SIGCHI web directory.
		/acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi
	Now that I looked at /etc/group, please add instone to:
		chi-loc, chi96, chi97, cscw, sigchi-v

Gary Olson:
	Michael should send you an account name and a password.
	See the InfoDir pages for tidbits of information:
		http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
		http://www.acm.org/infodir/
	Please send mail to perlman@acm.org and infodir_sigchi@acm.org
		and cc to instone@cs.bgsu.edu so the new SIGCHI InfoDir is
		kept up to date until he is set up to get infodir_sigchi mail.
		Send mail is things do not happen in a timely fashion,
		or if you want things done at the SIGCHI site
		(e.g., add a link in the SIGCHI conferences page).
	You may want to set up your own group, e.g., dis97, for
		your subdirectories.  Contact support@acm.org and
		clore@acm.org to arrange this, cc: me, infodir and instone.

> Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
> this up.  Gary
> 
> On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45 wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed to be the
> > DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.  
> > 
> > Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I suggest
> > Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per telephone, with
> > the location information.
> > 
> > Ian
> > _______________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> > Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> > 
> >          Date: 11/08/96
> >          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     - NLEVNVX1
> >       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > 
> > 
> > Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> > From: Scott Robertson 
> > Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> > To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"  >  ds.philips.nl>,
> >         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> > Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> > 
> > Ian and Antoine,
> > 
> > I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> > response.
> > 
> > At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> > the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> > the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> > the material to acm.org.
> > 
> > If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> > email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> > for you.
> > 
> > For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> > as you request.
> > 
> > -Scott
> > 
> > 
> >            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  - nlccmail
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


From perlman@mailer Fri Nov  8 11:08:00 1996
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Several prominent companies have excellent HCI sites.
SIGCHI members would probably benfit from seeing them.
Prominent companies like to be prominent.
------------------------------------------------------
Socrates is mortal.

Proving once again that the conclusion of all syllogisms
is that Socrates is mortal.

But seriously, what do people think about the idea
of providing a page of sponsor links to places like:
	http://www.ibm.com/ibm/hci
or
	http://www.ameritech.com/news/testtown/
or sun, microsoft, etc?

SIGCHI could offer space for link types like:
	standard size logo image
	corporate view
	HCI page(s)
	job opportunities

This could be coordinated with conference sponsorship.

What do people think?

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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Scott wrote:
>I'd like to propose that we move from an e-mail based system to a web
>bboard system for announcements and other things of interest to the
>CHI community.  ...
>
>The downside to this is that people have to go to the discussions
>instead of having them come to them -- but that's also the upside.  It
>would also bring people more frequently to our website.

I agree with Gary's comment on this.  Perhaps mailing lists could be
associated with each discussion such that those on those mailing lists
would be notified periodically of activity within the discussion.

Richard

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Keith --

Thanks very much for agreeing to serve as SIGCHI's Information Director!  I
am confident that you will do a great job and I hope you will also enjoy
the job and working with SIGCHI's EEC.

Our next committee meeting is December 7-9 in New York City.  I realize
that this is short notice and that this is during a busy time of the year,
but you are most welcome to attend.  Please let me know whether or not you
can attend.

Thanks
 -- Mike



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Keith,

I won't be in NYC because our second son is due on Dec. 4.
I highly recommend you attend so that you can represent
SIGCHI InfoDir interests, learn more about SIGCHI, and because
it is a fun meeting both because of the people there and because
it is in NYC.  Mike did not mention it, but SIGCHI will pay for your trip;
Last year, SIGCHI paid for a Broadway show, so it might again this year.

You'd also get to visit ACM for a half day
and see how the 1st Society in Computing uses
stone knives and bear skins to provide services!

But, we all realize that you may be too busy to attend.
On the other hand, if you are expecting a second child
in March, this may be you last chance to get away
and be an adult for a while (assuming your parenthood is like mine).
(PS: I'm planning on taking my older son to CHI'97).

In any case, thanks again for volunteering.

Mike,
	I think the InfoDir should be on ec.chi and not just adjunct.chi,
	but I left it to you to tell registrar.chi to set that up.
	For now, I am assuming that he will be on adjunct.chi and eec.chi.

Gary

> Keith --
> 
> Thanks very much for agreeing to serve as SIGCHI's Information Director!  I
> am confident that you will do a great job and I hope you will also enjoy
> the job and working with SIGCHI's EEC.
> 
> Our next committee meeting is December 7-9 in New York City.  I realize
> that this is short notice and that this is during a busy time of the year,
> but you are most welcome to attend.  Please let me know whether or not you
> can attend.
> 
> Thanks
>  -- Mike

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A topic that had been discussed some in the past, but that I haven't heard
much about recently is that of a Technical Advisory Board with respect to
ensuring the strength of the technical direction of the organization and its
continued ability to meet the needs of its members and constituents.

A number of constituencies have at various times been identified and SIGCHI
has identified that we want to meet the needs of these constituencies.  Many
of these consituencies may indeed be various components of our disciplines, or
various technical activity areas that we want to ensure we do a good job of
representing in our SIG activities.

A Technical Advisory Board could serve to help the SIG leadership answer
questions such as:

- do we need to perform an ongoing technical audit of the SIGs activities?
- Have we ignored some aspect of the HCI community? 
- Are we doing the right things? 
- do we balance business/management focus with technical focus to ensure we
  meet all the needs of the SIG?

Has there been any recent discussion of this topic by the CMC or EEC?

Regards,

	bill hefley

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Dear Prof. Perlman,

I just saw your WWW pages on HCI Curricula etc.
Congratulations for putting all this HCI stuff on WWW! I recommend my
students to have a look at it.

You might be interested to update the information you provided in your ACM
Interactions article. The "Tools for working with Guidelines" is at
http://www.info.fundp.ac.be/~jvd/guidelines/ref.html. The most up to date
document is available is a Word 6 zipped file at :
ftp://ftp.info.fundp.ac.be/pub/users/jvd/guidelin/guidelin.zip

I also put some standards and styleguides on-line at
http://www.info.fundp.ac.be/~jvd/soft.html. Word 6 file and Windows
hypermedia are available most of the time.

Best regards,



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     I have found some resources on the web that offer help in 
     designing web applications.  Here are the URLs and a few comments 
     about these sites.
     
     Michael Shea's Internet Page
     http://justice.loyola.edu/~mshea/html/internetpage.html
     Michael Shea has created a guide and reference for web development.  It is 
     well written with useful information.  Though he doesn't seem to be in the 
     HCI field, he includes some good HCI principles and recommends testing the 
     website with users.
     
     HCI Resources: WWW-related issues 
     http://www.ida.liu.se/~miker/hci/www.html
     This is a very good list of resources for WWW design.  
     
     The following sites are listed on HCI Resources:  WWW-related 
     issues and have been noted on UTEST without the URLs.  They 
     deserve special mention here along with their URLs.  They are 
     excellent.
     
     Interface Design for Sun's WWW Site
     http://www.sun.com/sun-on-net/uidesign 
     Describes the process of designing and usability testing Sun's web 
     pages.
     
     Jacob Nielsen's Alert Box
     http://www.sun.com/current/columns/alertbox
     Jacob Nielsen's monthly column.  May's column is Top Ten Mistakes in 
     Web Design.
     
     Guide to Web Style
     http://www.sun.com/styleguide
     Sun's "cookbook for helping people create better web pages..."

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Dear Prof. Perlman,

The 3rd Int. Eurographics Workshop on Design, Specification, and
Verification of Interactive Systems (DSV-IS'96 - see
http://www.info.fundp.ac.be/~dsvis96) just ended some weeks ago here in
Namur. Same for CADUI'96 (2nd Int. W. on Computer-Aided Design of User
Interfaces).

Would you be interested to receive the entries ready for the HCI
Bibliography Project for DSV-IS'94, DSV-IS'95, DSV-IS'96, CADUI'96?

If so, we can encode this information according to the requirement you
provide and we can ask someone else to check the entries.

Best regards,

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Subject: Re: DSV-IS conference entries for your HCI Bibliography
  Projectr
Status: RO

>I think those pubs would be of general interest.
>What information do you have online now?
The DSV-IS server contains the table of contents of the proceedings. Of
course, we have a soft version of all DSV-IS papers characteristics. We can
reformat them in order to encode HCI Bib-compatible files.

If you think that these records are somewhat appropriate, we can do the job.

Please tell me what you prefer.

Best regards,

Jean
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I am still missing files from the crash on turing.

http://www.acm.org/~perlman/readings.html
http://www.acm.org/~perlman/chiemail.gif
http://www.acm.org/~perlman/bibprop.htm
http://www.acm.org/~perlman/chiweb.htm

These are not especially new or old files.
There might be other files.
Apparently, the first two attempts at restores
did not get all the files.
Please take special care in the thrid attempt.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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Rough "to do" list I made for myself:

IMMEDIATE
UIST account: tell support
DIS account: check to see if done
Conference subdirs: I want to change the file structure for
   subdirectories; UIST and DIS could be the first
Discussion forums: get this running for starters
Email list migration: help with the bugs
SIGCHI news: am I supposed to do anything?

SHORT TERM
Fix broken links
Gather info on what we have already in sigchi web space
Further define ID/IP roles
Email migration larger issues
CHI 95 proceedings
CHI 96 proceedings
Auto-log and send email of SIGCHI web and subsites
Sponsors: what to do here?


LONG TERM
Redesign entire web site
Investigate new features to add


What else do you have for me, oh master?


Keith

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Please don't send mail to me at OCLC.
They screwed up my mail bigtime.
They screwed up a lot of peoples' mail.
Sigh.

> Rough "to do" list I made for myself:

Wow, a self-starter!

> IMMEDIATE
> UIST account: tell support
> DIS account: check to see if done
> Conference subdirs: I want to change the file structure for
>    subdirectories; UIST and DIS could be the first
	I don't know what you had in mind, but be
	careful not to break any links that people
	outside might have.  I suggest coming up
	with a statement of what you have in mind
	and running it by the EEC for comment.
	Steven Pemberton and Robin Jeffries often
	have good ideas, and posting to EC or EEC is
	one way to get feedback.
> Discussion forums: get this running for starters
	Seems like a nice option, running, that is.
> Email list migration: help with the bugs
	I am getting ready to move educators.chi
	and I think I will take the lead with
	the rest, if you do not mind (ha ha).
> SIGCHI news: am I supposed to do anything?
	I don't think so.  It's set up as an SSI,
	so it can be updated any time by me.
	Did you want to do anything with it?

> SHORT TERM
> Fix broken links
> Gather info on what we have already in sigchi web space
	maybe gather some HTTP stats and publish them,
	or is that wh\at you meant by auto-log below
> Further define ID/IP roles
	IP=?
> Email migration larger issues
> CHI 95 proceedings
> CHI 96 proceedings
> Auto-log and send email of SIGCHI web and subsites
> Sponsors: what to do here?
	this is a policy issue and would have to be
	discussed with the EC and probably ACM

> 
> LONG TERM
> Redesign entire web site
	of course! reinvention rules!
> Investigate new features to add
	what do you think of my use of SSI (Server-Side Includes)
> 
> 
> What else do you have for me, oh master?

	Just to make sure you understand, I am not your boss,
	but you report to the EC through me.  Maybe it's a fine point.
	But being a volunteer position, I don't think you can have a boss.
	But everyone and everything sone for SIGCHI has, as a matter of policy,
	an elected officer who is responsible.  So, for example, if the
	SIGCHI website were broken, the SIGCHI Chair and people at ACM
	would know that I am the person to make sure that it gets fixed.

	I have a pet project I was hopeing to get time to work on,
	but it is basically to replicate parts of what Yahoo did
	when it started, mainly so that SIGCHI could have a
	site where people could suggest new URLs to link to,
	a moderator would approve inclusion, and SIGCHI could
	offer a search service and page-hierarchy for the links.
	Unlike Yahoo, the list would probably be less than
	a 1000, so the search engine could be based on linear search.
	I wanted to write this in perl and sell it, but haven't had time.

	Perhaps related to that is moving the SIGCHI EEC onto the web
	so that the EC to-do list could be maintained online
	and be coordinated with the EEC address list (with appropriate
	permissions enforced).  Barbee Teasley would be the person
	who would drive this.  I have tried to get my student,
	Srini Raghavan, to work on this as it is in his area of
	research, but he has not seemed to get anything going.
	At the very least, having an online address book for
	the SIGCHI EC, in which each person could edit their own
	entry securely, would be a big help for Barbee and could be
	used by Steven Pemberton for the SIGCHI Bulletin contact page.

> Keith
> 
> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
> 

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> > Conference subdirs: I want to change the file structure for
> >    subdirectories; UIST and DIS could be the first
> 	I don't know what you had in mind, but be
> 	careful not to break any links that people
> 	outside might have.  I suggest coming up
> 	with a statement of what you have in mind
> 	and running it by the EEC for comment.
> 	Steven Pemberton and Robin Jeffries often
> 	have good ideas, and posting to EC or EEC is
> 	one way to get feedback.

OK, I will write it up and pass it by EEC.

> > Gather info on what we have already in sigchi web space
> 	maybe gather some HTTP stats and publish them,
> 	or is that wh\at you meant by auto-log below

More like documenting what "information providers" (IP) there
are, who has access to what subdirs, etc.

> > Further define ID/IP roles
> 	IP=?

IP = people who do their own subparts of the bigger SIGCHI web.
I am one, with WebHCI and CHI 95 and CHI 96. Steve Guest is one for
CHI 96 proceedings. Steven Pemberton is one. Etc.

> > Investigate new features to add
> 	what do you think of my use of SSI (Server-Side Includes)

It works in this case but does not solve all problems.

> > What else do you have for me, oh master?
> 
> 	Just to make sure you understand, I am not your boss,
> 	but you report to the EC through me.  Maybe it's a fine point.

Yes I understand. But you are the one who knows what is going on
more than anyone else. So I figured I had better start with you.

> 	I have a pet project I was hopeing to get time to work on,
> 	but it is basically to replicate parts of what Yahoo did
> 	when it started, mainly so that SIGCHI could have a
> 	site where people could suggest new URLs to link to,
> 	a moderator would approve inclusion, and SIGCHI could
> 	offer a search service and page-hierarchy for the links.
> 	Unlike Yahoo, the list would probably be less than
> 	a 1000, so the search engine could be based on linear search.
> 	I wanted to write this in perl and sell it, but haven't had time.

I would classify that under "investigate new features", along with
directory of members and many other things yet to be named. Probably
best introduced as part of THE BIG REDESIGN.


Keith

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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> > > Conference subdirs: I want to change the file structure for
> > >    subdirectories; UIST and DIS could be the first
> > 	I don't know what you had in mind, but be
> > 	careful not to break any links that people
> > 	outside might have.  I suggest coming up
> > 	with a statement of what you have in mind
> > 	and running it by the EEC for comment.
> > 	Steven Pemberton and Robin Jeffries often
> > 	have good ideas, and posting to EC or EEC is
> > 	one way to get feedback.
> 
> OK, I will write it up and pass it by EEC.

Good.

> > > Gather info on what we have already in sigchi web space
> > 	maybe gather some HTTP stats and publish them,
> > 	or is that wh\at you meant by auto-log below
> 
> More like documenting what "information providers" (IP) there
> are, who has access to what subdirs, etc.
> 
> > > Further define ID/IP roles
> > 	IP=?
> 
> IP = people who do their own subparts of the bigger SIGCHI web.
> I am one, with WebHCI and CHI 95 and CHI 96. Steve Guest is one for
> CHI 96 proceedings. Steven Pemberton is one. Etc.

This is a very good idea.
I think that it makes sense to have a mailing list CHI-Information-Providers,
or perhaps CHI-Website so tell IPs about changes, and to share ideas.

> > > Investigate new features to add
> > 	what do you think of my use of SSI (Server-Side Includes)
> 
> It works in this case but does not solve all problems.

It did not help with storage problems in my garage, for example. :-)

> > > What else do you have for me, oh master?
> > 
> > 	Just to make sure you understand, I am not your boss,
> > 	but you report to the EC through me.  Maybe it's a fine point.
> 
> Yes I understand. But you are the one who knows what is going on
> more than anyone else. So I figured I had better start with you.

Fine.

> > 	I have a pet project I was hopeing to get time to work on,
> > 	but it is basically to replicate parts of what Yahoo did
> > 	when it started, mainly so that SIGCHI could have a
> > 	site where people could suggest new URLs to link to,
> > 	a moderator would approve inclusion, and SIGCHI could
> > 	offer a search service and page-hierarchy for the links.
> > 	Unlike Yahoo, the list would probably be less than
> > 	a 1000, so the search engine could be based on linear search.
> > 	I wanted to write this in perl and sell it, but haven't had time.
> 
> I would classify that under "investigate new features", along with
> directory of members and many other things yet to be named. Probably
> best introduced as part of THE BIG REDESIGN.
> 
> 
> Keith
> 
> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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check out testhp.html, an HTML 3.2 valid version of the SIGCHI welcome page.

not sure if I have permisssion to update homepage.html yet.....

Keith

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I guess if you are modifying the HTML so that a checker you
ill run periodically will pass without a bunch of annoying messages,
then it is okay to make the changes, but if it is just
to be conformant with some standard, then I don't think it's a good idea.
A large number of the most serious problems in web pages are
due to missing quotes around URLs (see /sigchi/bulletin/1994.2/email.html
for an example in vivo), and my experience is that the best solution
is to remove all quotes so people do not insert extra ones.
The change that I mmade to a CHI'95 paper that was horribly broken
was due to a missing quote on a URL -- could have been avoided with no quotes.
Since there are no web browsers that really care about the quotes,
making a change to all the pages to satisfy a standard is not useful.
I think that if  you can provide a usable tool sigchi websters can use
in a batch mode to check their pages, then the quoting issue is lessened.

If you decide making changes, then I sugegst making the changes to
the scripts that generate the parts of pages, and modify the files
in the include directories.

If you have questions about why I did things in specific ways in
the pages, please ask about them before changing them.  In some
cases, the decision is arbitrary, but in others, it simplified
maintenance (e.g., soft linking the include directory makes the
pages portable, while using relative URLs does not).

Gary

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> Yep, a lot of the errors found in testhp.html were
> missing quotes. Also found a BORDER attribute on
> an A tag (no harm) and incorrectly nested FONT tags
> (also little harm). BTW, the quotes are only needed
> when some special character needs to be "escaped", such
> as colons and percent signs. Quotes are not needed for
> BORDER="1" and things like that.

I know that quotes are not usually really needed.
Are any checkers smart enough to know when quotes
are really needed?

> Yes, I want to automatically check for valid HTML, at
> the same time I am checking for broken links. And
> generate emails to the authors of those documents letting
> them know the status of their pages. I see that as
> a crucial role for an "information director": watch over
> the info providers and help them do the best job they can.

I think that getting feedback to authors is a great idea.
Maybe there is a way for harmless errors to be filtered
out and real errors to be highlighted, sort of like
different levels of checking for C -- syntax errors that
preclude compilation are usually more serious than portabilty checks.

> >If you decide making changes, then I sugegst making the changes to
> >the scripts that generate the parts of pages, and modify the files
> >in the include directories.
> >
> >If you have questions about why I did things in specific ways in
> >the pages, please ask about them before changing them.  In some
> >cases, the decision is arbitrary, but in others, it simplified
> >maintenance (e.g., soft linking the include directory makes the
> >pages portable, while using relative URLs does not).
> 
> Understood: I still do not understand how things work yet. That's
> why I made a testhp.html and didn't touch the original. I am
> still hunting around and discovering things, so I will certainly
> ask when I need help.
> 
> 
> Keith
> 
> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
> 

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Yep, a lot of the errors found in testhp.html were
missing quotes. Also found a BORDER attribute on
an A tag (no harm) and incorrectly nested FONT tags
(also little harm). BTW, the quotes are only needed
when some special character needs to be "escaped", such
as colons and percent signs. Quotes are not needed for
BORDER="1" and things like that.

Yes, I want to automatically check for valid HTML, at
the same time I am checking for broken links. And
generate emails to the authors of those documents letting
them know the status of their pages. I see that as
a crucial role for an "information director": watch over
the info providers and help them do the best job they can.

>If you decide making changes, then I sugegst making the changes to
>the scripts that generate the parts of pages, and modify the files
>in the include directories.
>
>If you have questions about why I did things in specific ways in
>the pages, please ask about them before changing them.  In some
>cases, the decision is arbitrary, but in others, it simplified
>maintenance (e.g., soft linking the include directory makes the
>pages portable, while using relative URLs does not).

Understood: I still do not understand how things work yet. That's
why I made a testhp.html and didn't touch the original. I am
still hunting around and discovering things, so I will certainly
ask when I need help.


Keith

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Has Keith been invited to the conference call tomorrow?
I have not seen a call for agenda items nor an agenda.
     Weds. Nov. 20 11:30-12:30 EST
     800-280-4719 (I am hoping that's the number)
 ----------
> From: Mike Atwood
> To: Keith Instone; perlman; BARBEE.E.TEASLEY
> Subject: Re: new SIGCHI Information Director: Ke
> Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:30AM
>
> Keith --
>
> Sorry you can't make the December meeting.  I realize that this was pretty
> short notice for you.  If you decide you can make any part of the meeting,
> you are welcome to do so and we can balance the agenda accordingly.  I'm
> not sure now when the next face-to-face meeting will be; that topic should
> be on the agenda for the December meeting.  The weekend after the CHI
> conference, which has been a traditional meeting time, falls on Easter
> weekend so we will not meet then.  The next regularly held meeting after
> that is the summer meeting, which will be a hand-off to the newly elected
> EC-ers and I would like us to have one meeting prior to that; probably in
> the April-May time frame.
>
>  -- Mike
>
> At 1:38 PM 11/11/96, Keith Instone wrote:
> >> The meeting starts after dinner on Friday, Dec 6. (Dinner provided). It
> >> runs thru Monday at 2 pm.  We will be visiting acm hdqtrs on Monday.
> >> This might give you a chance to meet the new web tech person they've
> >> hired and just check out the facilities.
> >>
> >> If you can't make it until Sat. a.m. or even p.m., I don't think that
> >> will be a big deal. We can just put off discussing the info-related
> >> stuff until then.
> >
> >I've re-evaluated my schedule and everything and I've decided not to
> >come to the meeting, sorry. Too many job and family conflicts to deal
> >with on such short notice.
> >
> >I suspect the next big meeting is in Atlanta after CHI. See you all
> >there, baby willing.
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> >Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> >Bowling Green State University
> >Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
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From: scottrob
To: Gary PERLMAN; instone
Cc: eec-plus.chi
Subject: SIGCHI Web page Discussion Forums
Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 3:54PM

Keith and Gary,

Gary asked about the "Discussion Forums" link on the SIGCHI homepage.
That leads to the WebX bulletin board system which was purchased by
SIGCHI a few months ago.  Since the acm.org crash the webx server hasn't
been working right and probably needs to be reconfigured.  This requires
a certificate number -- which I am enclosing (with the contact
information for the company) below.

By the way, I have reinstalled a certificate for the webx server a
couple of times and it never goes smoothly.  They get all uptight about
sending new numbers but I just remind them that it's usually their fault
and then they feel better.

 -Scott

 -------------------

Dear Scott,

Here is the new certificate:

ACM SIGCHI@/sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi?@780727B1A0F9EE8B8BF3C77BBDD05562


        -Janice

http://webx.lundeen.com
See you at the Web Crossing
510-521-5855 voice
510-522-6647 fax
sales@lundeen.com
Web Crossing Sales

 --
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

scottrob@uswest.com
http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/

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I would like to part of the conference call, since it looks
like I cannot come to NYC, and because I have already started
on my InfoDir duties and have a psuedo plan.

I will most likely be at home during that time, so try
reaching me at 419-823-1036 instead of 419-372-8704.

If I am not needed, then I understand. I will just get
some research done then....

Keith

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Keith,

The way our calls work is that you call a toll free number:
	800-280-4719  (used last month)
and if that number does not work, I'd try another we have used:
	800-259-6654
and provide info about the call (ACM SIGCHI - Barbee Teasley)
and they connect you to the call (or in my case, last time
they put me on hold for 10 minutes).

My schedule shows 11:30-12:30 Weds Nov 20. Call a few minutes before.

> I would like to part of the conference call, since it looks
> like I cannot come to NYC, and because I have already started
> on my InfoDir duties and have a psuedo plan.
> 
> I will most likely be at home during that time, so try
> reaching me at 419-823-1036 instead of 419-372-8704.
> 
> If I am not needed, then I understand. I will just get
> some research done then....
> 
> Keith
> 
> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
> 

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I just updated homepage.html to remove the link to
discussion forums. I am trying to get it working but
have only gotten halfway done, with less and less hope
of getting the blasted thing running again.

To update it, I had to copy the file, edit it, move
homepage.html (owned by you) out of the way to oldhp.html
and then move my new version into place. Maybe you had it
set up to purposely be this hard to change?


So, now I seem to be the owner of that file. Guess I should
give the sigchi group rw access to it?


Keith



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> I just updated homepage.html to remove the link to
> discussion forums. I am trying to get it working but
> have only gotten halfway done, with less and less hope
> of getting the blasted thing running again.
> 
> To update it, I had to copy the file, edit it, move
> homepage.html (owned by you) out of the way to oldhp.html
> and then move my new version into place. Maybe you had it
> set up to purposely be this hard to change?

Please read the sigchi infodir page.
All our pages are under revision control.
To edit the file, you should have done:
	co -l homepage.html
	# edit the file
	ci homepage.html
	co homepage.html

> 
> So, now I seem to be the owner of that file. Guess I should
> give the sigchi group rw access to it?

Nope.  You need to start using RCS.

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> I'm not sure - maybe some usability testing is called for here.

That's what I thought.
Keith Instone, the new InfoDir, wants to get some utesting done.

> The other page was usable - I just scanned down from newest on top.
>
> The new page surprised me as I thought it was 3 pages, but it really was
> one large page.  How many people will really use the date updated field?
> I'm not sure most people  are about date updated - is there a reason to
> show it on the page?

Good question.  The reason for the two views is
that to look up a an event, the event date is nice,
but to look for new news, the update date is nice.
In the meantime, I added a short explanation of each view,
which I fear might do more harm than good.

> Categories was nice, although the "Sorted by...." seemed silly, until I
> realized that there really were three sort sequences on the same page.  

Some work is needed here.

> Date of event is nice.
> 
> By the way, if the student volunteer deadline is 1/24, why is it listed
> under a 970203 date of event.

The date listed on the linked page is 97/02/03.

> I think if I were doing this, I'd probably go with three sub-pages, but
> with links at the bottom of each both to the original menu and to the
> other two sorts. But, like I said, maybe some usability testing is
> called for.

I went to three pages, for the meantime.

Thanks for the sanity check.

Gary

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From: scottrob
To: Gary PERLMAN; instone
Cc: eec-plus.chi
Subject: SIGCHI Web page Discussion Forums
Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 4:02PM

Keith and Gary,

Gary asked about the "Discussion Forums" link on the SIGCHI homepage.
That leads to the WebX bulletin board system which was purchased by
SIGCHI a few months ago.  Since the acm.org crash the webx server hasn't
been working right and probably needs to be reconfigured.  This requires
a certificate number -- which I am enclosing (with the contact
information for the company) below.

By the way, I have reinstalled a certificate for the webx server a
couple of times and it never goes smoothly.  They get all uptight about
sending new numbers but I just remind them that it's usually their fault
and then they feel better.

 -Scott

 -------------------

Dear Scott,

Here is the new certificate:

ACM SIGCHI@/sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi?@780727B1A0F9EE8B8BF3C77BBDD05562


        -Janice

http://webx.lundeen.com
See you at the Web Crossing
510-521-5855 voice
510-522-6647 fax
sales@lundeen.com
Web Crossing Sales

 --
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

scottrob@uswest.com
http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/

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From: Diane Darrow
To: perlman
Cc: Mike Atwood; Guy Boy; 'Clare-Marie Karat'
Subject: RE: SIGCHI Website Sponsors?
Date: Sunday, November 10, 1996 7:20AM


Gary - we need to be very careful about this (for legal reasons).  Perhaps
we can work on something after the first of the year - hopefully things will 

calm down.  regards, diane
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From: perlman
To: chi97-sponsor; eec-plus.chi
Cc: instone
Subject: SIGCHI Website Sponsors?
Date: Friday, November 08, 1996 8:00AM

Several prominent companies have excellent HCI sites.
SIGCHI members would probably benfit from seeing them.
Prominent companies like to be prominent.
 ------------------------------------------------------
Socrates is mortal.

Proving once again that the conclusion of all syllogisms
is that Socrates is mortal.

But seriously, what do people think about the idea
of providing a page of sponsor links to places like:
        http://www.ibm.com/ibm/hci
or
        http://www.ameritech.com/news/testtown/
or sun, microsoft, etc?

SIGCHI could offer space for link types like:
        standard size logo image
        corporate view
        HCI page(s)
        job opportunities

This could be coordinated with conference sponsorship.

What do people think?

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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From: scottrob
To: Gary PERLMAN; instone
Cc: eec-plus.chi
Subject: SIGCHI Web page Discussion Forums
Date: Monday, November 11, 1996 3:54PM

Keith and Gary,

Gary asked about the "Discussion Forums" link on the SIGCHI homepage.
That leads to the WebX bulletin board system which was purchased by
SIGCHI a few months ago.  Since the acm.org crash the webx server hasn't
been working right and probably needs to be reconfigured.  This requires
a certificate number -- which I am enclosing (with the contact
information for the company) below.

By the way, I have reinstalled a certificate for the webx server a
couple of times and it never goes smoothly.  They get all uptight about
sending new numbers but I just remind them that it's usually their fault
and then they feel better.

 -Scott

 -------------------

Dear Scott,

Here is the new certificate:

ACM SIGCHI@/sigs/sigchi/webx/WebX.cgi?@780727B1A0F9EE8B8BF3C77BBDD05562


        -Janice

http://webx.lundeen.com
See you at the Web Crossing
510-521-5855 voice
510-522-6647 fax
sales@lundeen.com
Web Crossing Sales

 --
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

scottrob@uswest.com
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From: Mike Atwood
To: Keith Instone; perlman; BARBEE.E.TEASLEY
Subject: Re: new SIGCHI Information Director: Ke
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:30AM

Keith --

Sorry you can't make the December meeting.  I realize that this was pretty
short notice for you.  If you decide you can make any part of the meeting,
you are welcome to do so and we can balance the agenda accordingly.  I'm
not sure now when the next face-to-face meeting will be; that topic should
be on the agenda for the December meeting.  The weekend after the CHI
conference, which has been a traditional meeting time, falls on Easter
weekend so we will not meet then.  The next regularly held meeting after
that is the summer meeting, which will be a hand-off to the newly elected
EC-ers and I would like us to have one meeting prior to that; probably in
the April-May time frame.

 -- Mike

At 1:38 PM 11/11/96, Keith Instone wrote:
>> The meeting starts after dinner on Friday, Dec 6. (Dinner provided). It
>> runs thru Monday at 2 pm.  We will be visiting acm hdqtrs on Monday.
>> This might give you a chance to meet the new web tech person they've
>> hired and just check out the facilities.
>>
>> If you can't make it until Sat. a.m. or even p.m., I don't think that
>> will be a big deal. We can just put off discussing the info-related
>> stuff until then.
>
>I've re-evaluated my schedule and everything and I've decided not to
>come to the meeting, sorry. Too many job and family conflicts to deal
>with on such short notice.
>
>I suspect the next big meeting is in Atlanta after CHI. See you all
>there, baby willing.
>
>Keith
>
>Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
>Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
>Bowling Green State University
>Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA



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We need to move on this asap!!  Gary

On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Scott Robertson wrote:

> Keith,
> 
> During the transition of Information Directors I was working with DIS
> '97, specifically Gary Olson, to put their Call on the Web. E-mail to
> infodir probably wasn't getting to you.
> 
> Anyway, we agreed that
> 
>   - we would put an account on acm.org for Gary
>   - that a directory called dis97 would be placed under sigchi, he has
> all the
>     content ready to ftp to the site
>   - that a pointer would be established so that http://www.acm.org/dis97
> would
>     go to the dis97 directory
> 
> Michael Clore or staff@acm.org have the account and pointer requests,
> but it hasn't happened yet.  No one has been bugging them because this
> is "between the cracks."  So, I wanted to be sure that you were aware of
> all this and that you and Gary have each other's contact information.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> 
> >No, I haven't gotten anlything, and am concerned.  We've put the url out
> >already, so we need to get it active asap.  Gary
> >
> >On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Scott Robertson wrote:
> >
> >> Gary,
> >> 
> >> Are you getting what you need for DIS '97?  Keith Instone is the new
> >> person to be setting things up, but I don't know if he got all your
> >> e-mail during the transition.
> >> 
> >> If not, I'll take care of it right away.
> >> 
> >> -Scott
> -- 
> Scott Robertson
> U S WEST Advanced Technologies
> 4001 Discovery Dr.
> Boulder, Colorado
> 80303  USA 
> 
> Tel. +1 303 541 7028
> Fax. +1 303 541 8182
> 
> scottrob@uswest.com
> http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/
> 


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Michael,

We need the following done:

1. Make an account for Gary Olson (gmo) on turing.acm.org.
2. Put him in the sigchi group and make another group called dis97
	that will be his login group.
3. Create a pointer so that http://www.acm.org/dis97
	will point to http://www.acm.org/sigchi/dis97

Gary Olson,

This seems to have fallen between the cracks as
we changed Information Directors.
This request should be completed by Wednedsay, under normal conditions,
so get back to me on Thursday if it has not happened.

Others,

Requests like this should go to support@acm.org, not staff@acm.org.
(Maybe "finger staff@acm.org support@acm.org" should work on aliases.)

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications





> We need to move on this asap!!  Gary
> 
> On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Scott Robertson wrote:
> 
> > Keith,
> > 
> > During the transition of Information Directors I was working with DIS
> > '97, specifically Gary Olson, to put their Call on the Web. E-mail to
> > infodir probably wasn't getting to you.
> > 
> > Anyway, we agreed that
> > 
> >   - we would put an account on acm.org for Gary
> >   - that a directory called dis97 would be placed under sigchi, he has
> > all the
> >     content ready to ftp to the site
> >   - that a pointer would be established so that http://www.acm.org/dis97
> > would
> >     go to the dis97 directory
> > 
> > Michael Clore or staff@acm.org have the account and pointer requests,
> > but it hasn't happened yet.  No one has been bugging them because this
> > is "between the cracks."  So, I wanted to be sure that you were aware of
> > all this and that you and Gary have each other's contact information.
> > 
> > -Scott
> > 
> > 
> > >No, I haven't gotten anlything, and am concerned.  We've put the url out
> > >already, so we need to get it active asap.  Gary
> > >
> > >On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Scott Robertson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Gary,
> > >> 
> > >> Are you getting what you need for DIS '97?  Keith Instone is the new
> > >> person to be setting things up, but I don't know if he got all your
> > >> e-mail during the transition.
> > >> 
> > >> If not, I'll take care of it right away.
> > >> 
> > >> -Scott
> > -- 
> > Scott Robertson
> > U S WEST Advanced Technologies
> > 4001 Discovery Dr.
> > Boulder, Colorado
> > 80303  USA 
> > 
> > Tel. +1 303 541 7028
> > Fax. +1 303 541 8182
> > 
> > scottrob@uswest.com
> > http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/
> > 
> 
> 

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> This seems to have fallen between the cracks as
> we changed Information Directors.

Actually, this did not fall thru the cracks. Scott and I have been in
phone contact to make sure nothing like that did fall thru. I have been
sending requests to support@acm.org about once a week, but I have never
heard a thing back.

Thanks for alerting them again, Gary: I can take the week off now. (^:


Keith


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Keith and Scott, I am glad that you have been coordinating.

If nothing happens by Thursday,
I suggest my usual escalation,
with about a week between each level.
 1. complain to clore and SIGCHI Chair and ACM Liaison (25% of the time)
 2. have Chair complain for you (very seldom needed)
 3. have the SIGCHI EC vote on a resolution (happened once)
 4. sigchi.org task force (hasn't happened, yet)

At the same time, the DIS97 stuff must get online ASAP,
so if Gary Olson does not have an account by Thursday, Dec. 5,
then I suggest that Keith Instone or someone else (maybe me)
set up the DIS97 directory by (1) choosing a shared password,
and (2) giving it to Gary Olson for the time he needs to
copy over the files.  Then, at least www.acm.org/sigchi/dis97
will work.

> > This seems to have fallen between the cracks as
> > we changed Information Directors.
> 
> Actually, this did not fall thru the cracks. Scott and I have been in
> phone contact to make sure nothing like that did fall thru. I have been
> sending requests to support@acm.org about once a week, but I have never
> heard a thing back.
> 
> Thanks for alerting them again, Gary: I can take the week off now. (^:
> 
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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There is an extra urgency beyond the fact of the long delay in that I will
be in China Dec. 8-22, and I'd like to get this wrapped up before then.
So thanks for continuing to push on this.  Gary

P.S.  We've already sent the url out via e-mail (not anticipating a
delay), and therefore people are already trying to access it.

On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> Keith and Scott, I am glad that you have been coordinating.
> 
> If nothing happens by Thursday,
> I suggest my usual escalation,
> with about a week between each level.
>  1. complain to clore and SIGCHI Chair and ACM Liaison (25% of the time)
>  2. have Chair complain for you (very seldom needed)
>  3. have the SIGCHI EC vote on a resolution (happened once)
>  4. sigchi.org task force (hasn't happened, yet)
> 
> At the same time, the DIS97 stuff must get online ASAP,
> so if Gary Olson does not have an account by Thursday, Dec. 5,
> then I suggest that Keith Instone or someone else (maybe me)
> set up the DIS97 directory by (1) choosing a shared password,
> and (2) giving it to Gary Olson for the time he needs to
> copy over the files.  Then, at least www.acm.org/sigchi/dis97
> will work.
> 
> > > This seems to have fallen between the cracks as
> > > we changed Information Directors.
> > 
> > Actually, this did not fall thru the cracks. Scott and I have been in
> > phone contact to make sure nothing like that did fall thru. I have been
> > sending requests to support@acm.org about once a week, but I have never
> > heard a thing back.
> > 
> > Thanks for alerting them again, Gary: I can take the week off now. (^:
> > 
> > 
> > Keith
> > 
> > 
> > Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> > Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> > Bowling Green State University
> > Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA
> 


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Gary Olson wrote:
> 
> By agreement with Scott Robertson we have advertised www.acm.org/dis97/ as
> the url.  We had intended that this would point to the address you list
> below.  Gary
> 

Gary requested http://www.acm.org/dis97/ as the URL.  I checked to make
sure this was something we could do--and it is.  However, someone with
access to the acm.org insides has to put a pointer in a table.  Hence
the request to support@acm.org.  

The first request to Michael Clore for the pointer and account was Nov.
8.

-Scott

-- 
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA 

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

scottrob@uswest.com
http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/

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Gary & Keith --

Bob Judd, chair of ACM's Electronic Systems Working Group (ESWG) wants to
talk about finding a 'CHI person to work with this group.  As far as I
know, this group is newly formed and is charged with supporting SIG
information directors and other WWW uses.  If either of you have had any
contact with this group or any comments (pro or con) on what this group is
up to, please let me know.  I'm not sure whether they are doing anything
more than the half-time person we are trying to hire to support web work
would do.

Thanks
 -- Mike



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I know what the ESWG is about, or at least what it is supposed
to be about: I was on the ACM committee that proposed its creation.
It is supposed to be the collection of people who are actually
working actively on ACM web stuff (not just people who are "in
charge"). As such, I would say that the half-time CHI web person
would be perfect to be part of ESWG, but the Info Dir would not.

One of the purposes of the group is to share resources: if the Pubs
area is doing something, then thru the ESWG that can be shared with
other groups. Another purpose is to keep everyone informed on what other
parts of "ACM" are doing.

Again, that's what we proposed: who knows how it will actually operate.
I do not wish to be a part of it as Info Dir, however. As a volunteer,
I cannot be counted on for the involvement anticipated. But I definitely
think the paid half-time person should be a memebr of ESWG (ie, should
be part of the job description). This would let this person be aware
of what other ACM projects are going on and let other benefit from
what s/he was doing. For example, if Web Crossing was installed and running
well, other SIGs etal could see if they liked it and s/he might even
install it for ACM as a whole. (But as Info Dir, it is too much even
to get it running for CHI: I do not want the burden of doing it for ACM
as well.)


Keith


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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> I believe that each local chapter should decide who receives the email sent
> to the alias provided by SIGCHI.  That is how it is today, and I see no
> benefit in changing it.  Plus, it appears to fit fine with what you've
> argued, though you've said that the "CHI-chapter alias (would) send mail to
> another mailing list"; I would hope that the CHI-chapter alias could still
> send mail to something other than a mailing list (e.g., a collection of
> email addresses that are individually delineated).

No problem.
We plan to set up a listserv list so that we (i.e., owners)
can change the composition of the list.
I've been using the name alias,
but it is really a listserv list that can
contain any number of email addresses,
including addresses of other lists if appropriate.

I think it would be useful for the following people
to be list owners for each CHI local SIG list (e.g., CHI-BuckCHI):
	* BuckCHI person (i.e., kdelaere@csi.compuserve.com)
	* AC-Local-SIGs (i.e., you)
	* AC-Listserv (i.e., that email manager I could not recruit)
	* AC-Information (i.e., Keith Instone)
	* ACM person (i.e., clore@acm.org)
Any list owner can change the list,
but only non-quiet owners get mail to list-request
and only the primary list owner gets errors
(This depends on options; if we set Errors-To= Owners,
then non-quiet list owners will get errors also).
Quiet list owners never get any administrative mail.
Having one person get all the errors would be great,
because then we would only have to train one person.
That person would have to track down the right people
at the Local SIG and fix the problematic address(es).
I propose that there be two non-quiet list owners:
	BuckCHI and AC-Local-SIGs
and the rest be quiet owners.  I don't know who should
own the list, but I suspect it should default to the
AC-Local-SIGs and switch to the BuckCHI person if they like.

> I'm not sure that a second alias would be needed by prospective chapters.
> We could explore that to find out.

> I gather that "AC" means Adjunct Chair, yes?  If yes, then I agree that I
> should be the owner (of sorts) of these aliases/lists.

Right. AC=Adjunct Chair.

Please do.  Here is a list of things to find out.
Please edit as you see fit and send out to the Local SIGs.
For each local SIG, I'd like to know:
	1. is the listname / alias I have chosen okay?
	2. who at each local SIG will serve as list owner,
		and what is their actual email address

1. CHI List Name.

Proposed names for CHI lists for Local SIGs are listed in:
	http://www.acm.org/~perlman/email.htm#LOCALSIG
These aliases will be listed by SIGCHI as points of contact
for Local SIGCHI Chapters, and mail to these addresses would
be forwarded to whoever the Local SIGs chose (e.g., the Chair,
Officers, steering committee, membership secretary, etc.).
Chartered Local SIGCHI Chapters could have their own lists at ACM.ORG
The main question here is whether the name is okay with the chapter.
It is relatively hard to change the alias after it's created,
but any other attributes (where mail is sent, list owners, etc.)

2. CHI List Owners.

Who at the Local SIG is willing to serve as the list owner?
That person will need to learn a few commands and make sure
that the list points to the right addresses.
What is the email address from which they will work?

3. Additional List(s) for Forming Local SIGs

For forming Local SIGs, it might be useful to have one
or more additional lists (ACM will only provide listserv
service for chartered chapters) through SIGCHI, such as
a list of all the (potential) members, steering committee, etc.
Would such lists be useful? (or for established Local SIGs,
would they have been useful?)

From guccio@hq.acm.org Tue Dec  3 13:17:39 1996
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An account on turing has been set up for you.  You have been added to the 
sigchi group.

account name: olson

I will mail you your password in a separately, please change it as soon as 
you get a chance.

If you have any questions please direct them to support@acm.org.


**Instone has been added to the five following user groups: chi-loc, chi96, 
chi97, cscw, sigchi-v

Support.
 ----------
From: owner-support
To: Multiple recipients of list SUPPORT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
Date: Fri, Nov 8, 1996 10:06AM

It must be Scott's lucky day!
Keith Instone is, as of this morning, the SIGCHI InfoDir.
In the meantime, lest the dust settle, I'll try to help.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

Michael Clore or support@acm.org:
        Please set up an account on turing.acm.org for Gary Olson.
                gmo@umich.edu
        Add him to the sigchi group (68) so he can create a dis97 directory
        in the SIGCHI web directory.
                /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi
        Now that I looked at /etc/group, please add instone to:
                chi-loc, chi96, chi97, cscw, sigchi-v

Gary Olson:
        Michael should send you an account name and a password.
        See the InfoDir pages for tidbits of information:
                http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
                http://www.acm.org/infodir/
        Please send mail to perlman@acm.org and infodir_sigchi@acm.org
                and cc to instone@cs.bgsu.edu so the new SIGCHI InfoDir is
                kept up to date until he is set up to get infodir_sigchi 
mail.
                Send mail is things do not happen in a timely fashion,
                or if you want things done at the SIGCHI site
                (e.g., add a link in the SIGCHI conferences page).
        You may want to set up your own group, e.g., dis97, for
                your subdirectories.  Contact support@acm.org and
                clore@acm.org to arrange this, cc: me, infodir and instone.

> Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
> this up.  Gary
>
> On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45
wrote:
>
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed to
be the
> > DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.
> >
> > Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I
suggest
> > Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per telephone,
with
> > the location information.
> >
> > Ian
> >
____________________________________________________________________________  
___
_
> > Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> > Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> >
> >          Date: 11/08/96
> >          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     -
NLEVNVX1
> >       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> >
> >
> > Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> > From: Scott Robertson 
> > Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> > To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"
 >  ds.philips.nl>,
> >         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> > Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> >
> > Ian and Antoine,
> >
> > I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> > response.
> >
> > At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> > the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> > the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> > the material to acm.org.
> >
> > If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> > email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> > for you.
> >
> > For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> > as you request.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> >
> >            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  -
nlccmail
> >
> >
>
>

From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Mon Dec  2 14:20:25 1996
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Looks like your account has been created on acm.org:

turing.acm.org> finger olson
Login name: olson                       In real life: Gary Olson
Office:  
Directory: /usr2/users/olson            Shell: /bin/tcsh
Never logged in.
No Plan.


You may not have gotten the word yet (you are now the last entry
in the password file, so it was just made recently), but news should 
be arriving soon.

I made a directory for you, called "dis97". Here is where it is
and how it is set up:

turing.acm.org> pwd
/usr2/info/sigs/sigchi
turing.acm.org> ls -ld dis97
drwxrwxr-x   2 instone  sigchi       512 Dec  2 13:32 dis97

You are in the "sigchi" group so you should be able to put all of
your files into the dis97 directory without problems. If you encounter
a glitch, Gary or I can try to fix it (I will be gone Tues/Wed).

Once you get everything in place, let me know so that I can update the
SIGCHI web to reflect the new information.


Keith


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

From perlman Tue Dec  3 13:24:33 1996
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To: gmo@umich.edu, guccio@hq.acm.org
Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
Cc: instone@cs.bgsu.edu, perlman@turing.acm.org
Status: R

What is the status of the URL link from:
	http://www.acm.org/dis97/
to:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/dis97/

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

From scottrob@uswest.com Fri Nov 22 18:23:33 1996
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Keith,

During the transition of Information Directors I was working with DIS
'97, specifically Gary Olson, to put their Call on the Web. E-mail to
infodir probably wasn't getting to you.

Anyway, we agreed that

  - we would put an account on acm.org for Gary
  - that a directory called dis97 would be placed under sigchi, he has
all the
    content ready to ftp to the site
  - that a pointer would be established so that http://www.acm.org/dis97
would
    go to the dis97 directory

Michael Clore or staff@acm.org have the account and pointer requests,
but it hasn't happened yet.  No one has been bugging them because this
is "between the cracks."  So, I wanted to be sure that you were aware of
all this and that you and Gary have each other's contact information.

-Scott


>No, I haven't gotten anlything, and am concerned.  We've put the url out
>already, so we need to get it active asap.  Gary
>
>On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Scott Robertson wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>> 
>> Are you getting what you need for DIS '97?  Keith Instone is the new
>> person to be setting things up, but I don't know if he got all your
>> e-mail during the transition.
>> 
>> If not, I'll take care of it right away.
>> 
>> -Scott
-- 
Scott Robertson
U S WEST Advanced Technologies
4001 Discovery Dr.
Boulder, Colorado
80303  USA 

Tel. +1 303 541 7028
Fax. +1 303 541 8182

scottrob@uswest.com
http://advtech.w3.uswest.com/people/scottrob/

From clore@acm.org Wed Dec  4 14:21:24 1996
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Gary, Hi.

perlman@acm.org wrote:
> Directory search is lacking many amenities...

Thanks for your feedback.  It is exactly what
we are looking for.  

> I'd like to see who in SIGCHI is in the directory,
> but there is no way to list all the members.

The search does allow wildcards
using an "*" as the wildcard character.
This is mentioned only on the Help page.

Putting just a "*" in the name field and
selecting the "SIGCHI" directory will
list the SIGCHI members in the directory.

However, there is a limit on the number
of entries that the system will return.
The default is 24.  The maximum hit number
can be passed to the system from the form.
So, the form could allow the end user to
set the value.

Generating complete listings on-the-fly
may become too resource intensive.  In
fact, queries to list all ACM Members is
already causing problems.  We may need
to consider generating static pages that
list everyone in the directories.

> I am told that Marian Williams is in there,
> but the search does not succeed.

Marian Williams is not registered in the directory.
She does have an account, however.  So, she
can use it, but she won't show up in the searches.

> Maybe some indication of:
>      # of entries in the database
>      # of entries in SIGs

I like that.

> I the the default search type should be to
> search for substrings, possibly anchored to
> the beginning for efficiency, ideally allowing wildcards.
> 
> Once I get a hitlist, I'd like to be
> able to mark all the ones I want to then
> place in my personal address book.

Thanks.  
-- 
Michael Allen Clore           |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose
 ACM Network Information Mngr | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation
 Fax/Data: 520-290-4181       |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716)
 Voice: 520-290-4147; Net: clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore/


From cheng@luke.acm.org Fri Nov 22 13:02:41 1996
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Subject: all missing files got restored
To: perlman@turing.acm.org
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:02:40 -0500 (EST)
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To Gary Perlman:

A copy of all the files that are currently missing from your home directory can be found at:
~perlman/perlman_all_missing_files_restored.tar

(Eg:  difference of "turing:~perlman" to the Backup Tape on Sept 10, 1996 )


    Contents are as follows:
    ------------------------
    -rw-r--r--    55/68 3556341 Aug 26 08:11:57 1996 ./public_html/hcibib/images.tar.Z
    -rw-r--r--    55/68     307 Mar  1  1996:45 1996 ./public_html/images/left.gif
    -rw-r--r--    55/68    1074 Mar  1  1996:58 1996 ./public_html/images/right.gif
    -rw-r--r--    55/68     552 Aug 26 07:58:39 1996 ./public_html/stories/bunny.html
    -rw-r--r--    55/68       2 Sep  2 06:55:21 1996 ./public_html/index.html.cnt
    lrwxrwxrwx    55/68       0 Dec 31  1969:00 1969 ./public_html/chi95.html symbolic link to /acminfo/1/sigs/sil
    lrwxrwxrwx    55/68       0 Dec 31  1969:00 1969 ./public_html/chi95 symbolic link to /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi//
    -rw-r--r--    55/68  296399 Aug 26 07:17:07 1996 ./public_html/BUCKCHI.tar.Z
    -rw-r--r--    55/68 2281782 Aug 26 07:49:17 1996 ./public_html/sigchi.tar.Z
    -rw-r--r--    55/68  393979 Aug 26 07:50:51 1996 ./public_html/stories.tar.Z
    -rw-r--r--    55/68   22008 Aug 26 08:22:01 1996 ./public_html/preece.html
    -rw-r--r--    55/68   74157 Aug 26 09:52:25 1996 ./public_html/hcibib.tar.Z
    -rw-r--r--    55/68 3276601 Aug 26 09:57:52 1996 ./public_html/WWW.tar.Z
    -rwxr-xr-x    55/68   40960 Aug 28 05:37:37 1996 ./bin/hotpage
    -rw-r--r--    55/68      17 Jul 22 14:29:47 1996 ./.forward
    -rw-r--r--    55/68     172 Jun  8 22:01:23 1996 ./doit
    -rw-r--r--    55/68   19919 Sep  9 10:42:35 1996 ./.www
    
    

Please send Email to "support@acm.org" is more help is needed.


-- 
Mark Cheng 
System and Network Administrator
Association for Computing Machinery
Email: cheng@acm.org

From perlman Wed Dec 18 22:28:08 1996
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9612190328.AA05929@turing.acm.org>
To: guccio@hq.acm.org, support@acm.org
Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
Cc: chi-acm-liaison@acm.org, chi-chair@acm.org, instone@cs.bgsu.edu,
        perlman@turing.acm.org
Status: R

Now that the dust has settled from the saga of the creation of
an account for an ACM sponsored conference, I'd like to reiterate
my concerns about processes at acm.org.

First and foremost, THERE MUST BE PUBLISHED PROCEDURES,
for creating accounts, setting up groups, redirected URLs etc.
This does not have to be a big deal, just a page in the
infodir area, but it has to be spelled out.
Right now, the way things work, every request causes
an average of several reissued requests,
often with desparate messages accompanied by phone calls,
followed by me sending email to Michael Clore, and ....

I am working on a procedural guide for listserv requests,
and I'd be happy to share that, once it is in a reasonable form.

For simpler requests, it could be a web form:
		ACM UNIX Account Request Form
	Sponsoring Chapter or SIG: ______
	Sponsoring Official: (*) Chair  ( ) InfoDir ( ) ...
	Email of Sponsoring Official: ________
	Machine: (*) turing  ( ) the main one  ( ) ???
	Desired Account Name: __________
	Desired Group Name: __________ [ ] this is a new group
	Optional Project Name: ____________ (*) conference
	Description: blah blah blah
	[Submit to Support@acm.org] (Expect a reply within three working days)

I suggest creating such forms as requests come in,
always including some free space for a descriptions
so a form is not limiting, just suggestive.
So if someone requests that a group be created
and that ten people get added to it,
then make a form for the next request.
For each form, you can probably provide an estimate
of the time it will take to complete the request.

Second, it would be great if there were an acknowledgement of
each request as it is received, along with an completion date.
This could be a simple reply with a standard message.
Something would be better than nothing.

My goal is to make ACM the center of SIGCHI and
Local SIGCHI Chapters' universe, and I think that in turn,
this will serve other groups as well, by example.
I am always concerned when people say that something
would be better supported or easier NOT on acm.org,
and my goal is to help make that view one that is patently false.
So, I am only trying to help.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From guccio@hq.acm.org Tue Dec  3 13:17:39 1996
> 
> An account on turing has been set up for you.  You have been added to the 
> sigchi group.
> 
> account name: olson
> 
> I will mail you your password in a separately, please change it as soon as 
> you get a chance.
> 
> If you have any questions please direct them to support@acm.org.
> 
> 
> **Instone has been added to the five following user groups: chi-loc, chi96, 
> chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
> 
> Support.
>  ----------
> From: owner-support
> To: Multiple recipients of list SUPPORT
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
> Date: Fri, Nov 8, 1996 10:06AM
> 
> It must be Scott's lucky day!
> Keith Instone is, as of this morning, the SIGCHI InfoDir.
> In the meantime, lest the dust settle, I'll try to help.
> 
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> 
> Michael Clore or support@acm.org:
>         Please set up an account on turing.acm.org for Gary Olson.
>                 gmo@umich.edu
>         Add him to the sigchi group (68) so he can create a dis97 directory
>         in the SIGCHI web directory.
>                 /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi
>         Now that I looked at /etc/group, please add instone to:
>                 chi-loc, chi96, chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
> 
> Gary Olson:
>         Michael should send you an account name and a password.
>         See the InfoDir pages for tidbits of information:
>                 http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
>                 http://www.acm.org/infodir/
>         Please send mail to perlman@acm.org and infodir_sigchi@acm.org
>                 and cc to instone@cs.bgsu.edu so the new SIGCHI InfoDir is
>                 kept up to date until he is set up to get infodir_sigchi 
> mail.
>                 Send mail is things do not happen in a timely fashion,
>                 or if you want things done at the SIGCHI site
>                 (e.g., add a link in the SIGCHI conferences page).
>         You may want to set up your own group, e.g., dis97, for
>                 your subdirectories.  Contact support@acm.org and
>                 clore@acm.org to arrange this, cc: me, infodir and instone.
> 
> > Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
> > this up.  Gary
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed to
> be the
> > > DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.
> > >
> > > Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I
> suggest
> > > Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per telephone,
> with
> > > the location information.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> ____________________________________________________________________________  
> ___
> _
> > > Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > > From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> > > Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> > >
> > >          Date: 11/08/96
> > >          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     -
> NLEVNVX1
> > >       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > >
> > >
> > > Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> > > From: Scott Robertson 
> > > Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> > > To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"
>  > >  ds.philips.nl>,
> > >         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> > > Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> > >
> > > Ian and Antoine,
> > >
> > > I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> > > response.
> > >
> > > At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> > > the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> > > the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> > > the material to acm.org.
> > >
> > > If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> > > email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> > > as you request.
> > >
> > > -Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  -
> nlccmail
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 

From instone@cs.bgsu.edu Thu Dec 19 10:59:45 1996
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Haven't heard much from the meeting I missed in NYC, so
I am not sure if this is even an issue. But I was doing
some Internet domain searching the other day and thought
of how nice it would be to have sigchi.org, especially
if the move to a society were made. Even before that, however,
we could get ACM to set up a virtual host for us on acm.org
so that we could advertise sigchi.org and still do everything
on ACM's systems. (I set up a virutal host on our server
here in less than half an hour, start to finish.)

Just checked, and sigchi.org has NOT been already taken.
The fees are $50 per year (two years required up front) and
I can fill out the info myself (no need to get an ISP to
help altho one would galdly charge to do it for us).

The last time I tried to register an ORG it took over a month to
get them to do it, so the sooner we fill out the form, the
better.


Keith


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Keith --

A couple of things.  Barbee hasn't gotten the minutes out yet for the NYC
meeting.  Since this is a much longer than usual meeting, the minutes also
take a bit longer.  Hopefuly, you will see then soon.

Registering sigchi.org sounds like a neat idea!  If Gary agrees that we
should do this, please do it.

Thanks
 -- Mike


At 11:02 AM 12/19/96, Keith Instone wrote:
>Haven't heard much from the meeting I missed in NYC, so
>I am not sure if this is even an issue. But I was doing
>some Internet domain searching the other day and thought
>of how nice it would be to have sigchi.org, especially
>if the move to a society were made. Even before that, however,
>we could get ACM to set up a virtual host for us on acm.org
>so that we could advertise sigchi.org and still do everything
>on ACM's systems. (I set up a virutal host on our server
>here in less than half an hour, start to finish.)
>
>Just checked, and sigchi.org has NOT been already taken.
>The fees are $50 per year (two years required up front) and
>I can fill out the info myself (no need to get an ISP to
>help altho one would galdly charge to do it for us).
>
>The last time I tried to register an ORG it took over a month to
>get them to do it, so the sooner we fill out the form, the
>better.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
>Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
>Bowling Green State University
>Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA



From perlman Fri Dec 20 22:18:03 1996
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
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To: atwood@nynexst.com, instone@cs.bgsu.edu, perlman@turing.acm.org
Subject: Re:  sigchi.org
Status: R

I like the idea of reserving sigchi.org for possible future use.
Right now, so much is published with www.acm.org/sigchi that
I would oppose changing it before some big changeover, such
as the creation of a society.  But then, perhaps chi.org
would be more appropriate, or even hci.org, although those
might be used, perhaps in .com.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

From perlman Fri Dec 20 22:54:06 1996
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9612210354.AA21082@turing.acm.org>
To: Darrow@hq.acm.org, instone.chi@xerox.com
Subject: Re:  FW: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
Cc: "Wayne@hq.acm.org, <"Wayne@hq.acm.org, , ,
    , , Atwood@hq.acm.org,
    Boy@hq.acm.org, Gary@hq.acm.org, Graves"@hq.acm.org>, ,
    ,  Keith - Gary makes a good point - can we add the creation/maintenance of 
> this type of information on to the responsibilities of the Web support 
> person's resonsibilities?
> 
> Wayne, for your information.
> 
> Gary, thanks for bring this to my attention.  I assumed that this type of 
> support was standard, but I understand that the whole change over has taken 
> enormous resources and this type of support took a back seat.  This is good 
> input for Wayne as he creates a structure to support everyone, and good 
> input for Keith as he works to help support SIGCHI.  Just curious, was Keith 
> involved with this request for support, since he is the info director? 

Scott Robertson and Keith Instone were in email and phone contact
about the request, so it did not fall between the cracks.
I estimate there were 3-5 requests made, some to support@acm.org,
some to clore@acm.org (and probably multiple submissions can
confuse things, too).

To clarify my suggestions below, I would not want to see a web-form
initiative take a year when a plain text file of instructions
could happen in a month.  Something simple and soon is my preference,
and to Voltaire, "the best is the enemy of the good."

Gary

>  regards, diane.
>  ----------
> From: owner-chi-acm-liaison
> To: Multiple recipients of list CHI-ACM-LIAISON
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
> Date: Wednesday, December 18, 1996 10:28PM
> 
> Now that the dust has settled from the saga of the creation of
> an account for an ACM sponsored conference, I'd like to reiterate
> my concerns about processes at acm.org.
> 
> First and foremost, THERE MUST BE PUBLISHED PROCEDURES,
> for creating accounts, setting up groups, redirected URLs etc.
> This does not have to be a big deal, just a page in the
> infodir area, but it has to be spelled out.
> Right now, the way things work, every request causes
> an average of several reissued requests,
> often with desparate messages accompanied by phone calls,
> followed by me sending email to Michael Clore, and ....
> 
> I am working on a procedural guide for listserv requests,
> and I'd be happy to share that, once it is in a reasonable form.
> 
> For simpler requests, it could be a web form:
>                 ACM UNIX Account Request Form
>         Sponsoring Chapter or SIG: ______
>         Sponsoring Official: (*) Chair  ( ) InfoDir ( ) ...
>         Email of Sponsoring Official: ________
>         Machine: (*) turing  ( ) the main one  ( ) ???
>         Desired Account Name: __________
>         Desired Group Name: __________ [ ] this is a new group
>         Optional Project Name: ____________ (*) conference
>         Description: blah blah blah
>         [Submit to Support@acm.org] (Expect a reply within three working 
> days)
> 
> I suggest creating such forms as requests come in,
> always including some free space for a descriptions
> so a form is not limiting, just suggestive.
> So if someone requests that a group be created
> and that ten people get added to it,
> then make a form for the next request.
> For each form, you can probably provide an estimate
> of the time it will take to complete the request.
> 
> Second, it would be great if there were an acknowledgement of
> each request as it is received, along with an completion date.
> This could be a simple reply with a standard message.
> Something would be better than nothing.
> 
> My goal is to make ACM the center of SIGCHI and
> Local SIGCHI Chapters' universe, and I think that in turn,
> this will serve other groups as well, by example.
> I am always concerned when people say that something
> would be better supported or easier NOT on acm.org,
> and my goal is to help make that view one that is patently false.
> So, I am only trying to help.
> 
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> 
> > From guccio@hq.acm.org Tue Dec  3 13:17:39 1996
> >
> > An account on turing has been set up for you.  You have been added to the
> > sigchi group.
> >
> > account name: olson
> >
> > I will mail you your password in a separately, please change it as soon as
> > you get a chance.
> >
> > If you have any questions please direct them to support@acm.org.
> >
> >
> > **Instone has been added to the five following user groups: chi-loc, 
> chi96,
> > chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
> >
> > Support.
> >  ----------
> > From: owner-support
> > To: Multiple recipients of list SUPPORT
> > Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
> > Date: Fri, Nov 8, 1996 10:06AM
> >
> > It must be Scott's lucky day!
> > Keith Instone is, as of this morning, the SIGCHI InfoDir.
> > In the meantime, lest the dust settle, I'll try to help.
> >
> > Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> >
> > Michael Clore or support@acm.org:
> >         Please set up an account on turing.acm.org for Gary Olson.
> >                 gmo@umich.edu
> >         Add him to the sigchi group (68) so he can create a dis97 
> directory
> >         in the SIGCHI web directory.
> >                 /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi
> >         Now that I looked at /etc/group, please add instone to:
> >                 chi-loc, chi96, chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
> >
> > Gary Olson:
> >         Michael should send you an account name and a password.
> >         See the InfoDir pages for tidbits of information:
> >                 http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
> >                 http://www.acm.org/infodir/
> >         Please send mail to perlman@acm.org and infodir_sigchi@acm.org
> >                 and cc to instone@cs.bgsu.edu so the new SIGCHI InfoDir is
> >                 kept up to date until he is set up to get infodir_sigchi
> > mail.
> >                 Send mail is things do not happen in a timely fashion,
> >                 or if you want things done at the SIGCHI site
> >                 (e.g., add a link in the SIGCHI conferences page).
> >         You may want to set up your own group, e.g., dis97, for
> >                 your subdirectories.  Contact support@acm.org and
> >                 clore@acm.org to arrange this, cc: me, infodir and 
> instone.
> >
> > > Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
> > > this up.  Gary
> > >
> > > On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed 
> to
> > be the
> > > > DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.
> > > >
> > > > Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I
> > suggest
> > > > Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per 
> telephone,
> > with
> > > > the location information.
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> > ___
> > _
> > > > Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > > > From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> > > > Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> > > >
> > > >          Date: 11/08/96
> > > >          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     -
> > NLEVNVX1
> > > >       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> > > > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> > > > From: Scott Robertson 
> > > > Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> > > > To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"
> >  > > >  ds.philips.nl>,
> > > >         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> > > > Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> > > >
> > > > Ian and Antoine,
> > > >
> > > > I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> > > > response.
> > > >
> > > > At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> > > > the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> > > > the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> > > > the material to acm.org.
> > > >
> > > > If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> > > > email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> > > > for you.
> > > >
> > > > For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> > > > as you request.
> > > >
> > > > -Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  -
> > nlccmail
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 

From perlman Fri Dec 20 22:56:44 1996
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9612210356.AA05753@turing.acm.org>
To: clore@acm.org, support@acm.org
Subject: internal mail at ACM HQ is non-standard
Cc: darrow@acm.org, perlman
Status: R

Whenever I answer mail from Diane Darrow,
it causes errors, which may be a problem
in the ACM HQ mail system, or a problem
in Diane Darrow's mail aliases (such as
quotes where they are not supposed to be).
Could someone look into this?  I never know
who my replies are actually getting through to.

See the "'Keith Instone'" etc. below.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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Keith - Gary makes a good point - can we add the creation/maintenance of 
this type of information on to the responsibilities of the Web support 
person's resonsibilities?

Wayne, for your information.

Gary, thanks for bring this to my attention.  I assumed that this type of 
support was standard, but I understand that the whole change over has taken 
enormous resources and this type of support took a back seat.  This is good 
input for Wayne as he creates a structure to support everyone, and good 
input for Keith as he works to help support SIGCHI.  Just curious, was Keith 
involved with this request for support, since he is the info director? 
 regards, diane.
 ----------
From: owner-chi-acm-liaison
To: Multiple recipients of list CHI-ACM-LIAISON
Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
Date: Wednesday, December 18, 1996 10:28PM

Now that the dust has settled from the saga of the creation of
an account for an ACM sponsored conference, I'd like to reiterate
my concerns about processes at acm.org.

First and foremost, THERE MUST BE PUBLISHED PROCEDURES,
for creating accounts, setting up groups, redirected URLs etc.
This does not have to be a big deal, just a page in the
infodir area, but it has to be spelled out.
Right now, the way things work, every request causes
an average of several reissued requests,
often with desparate messages accompanied by phone calls,
followed by me sending email to Michael Clore, and ....

I am working on a procedural guide for listserv requests,
and I'd be happy to share that, once it is in a reasonable form.

For simpler requests, it could be a web form:
                ACM UNIX Account Request Form
        Sponsoring Chapter or SIG: ______
        Sponsoring Official: (*) Chair  ( ) InfoDir ( ) ...
        Email of Sponsoring Official: ________
        Machine: (*) turing  ( ) the main one  ( ) ???
        Desired Account Name: __________
        Desired Group Name: __________ [ ] this is a new group
        Optional Project Name: ____________ (*) conference
        Description: blah blah blah
        [Submit to Support@acm.org] (Expect a reply within three working 
days)

I suggest creating such forms as requests come in,
always including some free space for a descriptions
so a form is not limiting, just suggestive.
So if someone requests that a group be created
and that ten people get added to it,
then make a form for the next request.
For each form, you can probably provide an estimate
of the time it will take to complete the request.

Second, it would be great if there were an acknowledgement of
each request as it is received, along with an completion date.
This could be a simple reply with a standard message.
Something would be better than nothing.

My goal is to make ACM the center of SIGCHI and
Local SIGCHI Chapters' universe, and I think that in turn,
this will serve other groups as well, by example.
I am always concerned when people say that something
would be better supported or easier NOT on acm.org,
and my goal is to help make that view one that is patently false.
So, I am only trying to help.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From guccio@hq.acm.org Tue Dec  3 13:17:39 1996
>
> An account on turing has been set up for you.  You have been added to the
> sigchi group.
>
> account name: olson
>
> I will mail you your password in a separately, please change it as soon as
> you get a chance.
>
> If you have any questions please direct them to support@acm.org.
>
>
> **Instone has been added to the five following user groups: chi-loc, 
chi96,
> chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
>
> Support.
>  ----------
> From: owner-support
> To: Multiple recipients of list SUPPORT
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: DIS 97 Web Call
> Date: Fri, Nov 8, 1996 10:06AM
>
> It must be Scott's lucky day!
> Keith Instone is, as of this morning, the SIGCHI InfoDir.
> In the meantime, lest the dust settle, I'll try to help.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
>
> Michael Clore or support@acm.org:
>         Please set up an account on turing.acm.org for Gary Olson.
>                 gmo@umich.edu
>         Add him to the sigchi group (68) so he can create a dis97 
directory
>         in the SIGCHI web directory.
>                 /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi
>         Now that I looked at /etc/group, please add instone to:
>                 chi-loc, chi96, chi97, cscw, sigchi-v
>
> Gary Olson:
>         Michael should send you an account name and a password.
>         See the InfoDir pages for tidbits of information:
>                 http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
>                 http://www.acm.org/infodir/
>         Please send mail to perlman@acm.org and infodir_sigchi@acm.org
>                 and cc to instone@cs.bgsu.edu so the new SIGCHI InfoDir is
>                 kept up to date until he is set up to get infodir_sigchi
> mail.
>                 Send mail is things do not happen in a timely fashion,
>                 or if you want things done at the SIGCHI site
>                 (e.g., add a link in the SIGCHI conferences page).
>         You may want to set up your own group, e.g., dis97, for
>                 your subdirectories.  Contact support@acm.org and
>                 clore@acm.org to arrange this, cc: me, infodir and 
instone.
>
> > Scott -- Give me the information I need and I will proceed with setting
> > this up.  Gary
> >
> > On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/08 09:45
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > Lines seem to be getting crossed here.  Gary Olson has already agreed 
to
> be the
> > > DIS site maintainer.  You have email to this effect already I believe.
> > >
> > > Antoine can send the files as attachments. But if it would be easier I
> suggest
> > > Micheal contacts him at m.mol@design.corp.philips.com, or per 
telephone,
> with
> > > the location information.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > >
> 
____________________________________________________________________________
> ___
> _
> > > Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > > From:    #UNIX at #SNADS
> > > Date:    08-11-1996  12:45 am
> > >
> > >          Date: 11/08/96
> > >          From: Mail forwarding system                       UNIX     -
> NLEVNVX1
> > >       Subject: Re: DIS 97 Web Call
> > >
> > >
> > > Message-Id: <32827586.2973@uswest.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:49:26 -0700
> > > From: Scott Robertson 
> > > Reply-To: scottrob@uswest.com
> > > To: "I McClelland at Corporate-Design3 1996/11/01 18:50"
>  > >  ds.philips.nl>,
> > >         m.mol@design.corp.philips.com
> > > Cc: free003@ehv.design.philips.com, perlman@oclc.org, clore@acm.org
> > >
> > > Ian and Antoine,
> > >
> > > I did respond to your earlier message. Sorry if you did not get the
> > > response.
> > >
> > > At any rate, I suggested that you send Micheal Clore (clore@acm.org)
> > > the name and contact information  of the person you wish to maintain
> > > the site.  He will establish a login for this person, and they can ftp
> > > the material to acm.org.
> > >
> > > If you do not want someone to have an account, then perhaaps you can
> > > email me the files as attachments, and I will place them on acm.org
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > For security reasons I can not just send you my login ID and password
> > > as you request.
> > >
> > > -Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >            To: I McClelland                                 c834997  -
> nlccmail
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>


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I just reviewed some info on ESWG (http://www.acm.org/eswg/) and
they are more advisory than I had hoped. As they are set up now,
the SIGCHI Info Dir would be a good addition to their ranks (the
half-time employee would be a better addition, but I can see some
value to having the ID there until the person is hired).

One problem is that I do not really want to be part of ESWG
right now. I reluctantly accepted the InfoDir job and do not want
any ACM-level responsibilities yet.

I would vote in favor of telling them that the half-time person
would be a part of ESWG and to leave me out of it for now.

Keith
PS How a job title for this position? Not "webmaster" tho--ack.

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Call for Editor -- SIGCHI Bulletin

The SIGCHI Bulletin is looking for a contributing editor:

    Editor for Calls and Events

Responsibilities and requirements are outlined below.

The SIGCHI Bulletin is the quarterly bulletin of the ACM Special
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I've talked about this in the past a bit, maybe before your time.
I think SIGCHI needs an Information Management/Technology/? Committee
to better meet the astoundingly complicated IT demands SIGCHI faces.
Some obvious areas:
	Web Site - alive and well?
	Online pubs - Bulletin
	Listserv - getting there
	WebX - dead right now
	Databases - nothing happening
and there is coordination with stuff going on at ACM,
like the new member accounts.

In addition to the technical issues, there are people issues,
like how to help SIGCHI officers and volunteers make use of
the information technology that is or can be available to them.
For example, it probably makes sense that all VCs and ACs
at least consider having:
	a web page
	a mailing list
this has happened, but only on an ad hoc basis.

I'd like to meet during CHI97, maybe form a SIG session,
but you are expecting then, and probably won't be at CHI, will you?

Maybe we should just bounce a few ideas around first,
the main ones being:
	what would such a committee do: advise, act, grunt
	who would be on it: the usual set of characters? staff?
	who would benefit: sigchi officials, websters/listers, members?
	how would it operate: via email, meetings, ...
If there is no need for a budget, then making it a mailing
list might make the most sense:
	chi-information or something like that
but having official status might make people more likely
to contribute more.

Gary

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All good ideas, at my first glance. I will MOST LIKELY*
be at CHI, so I think some time set aside to talk/group
think about this is a good idea.

The big qustion, as I see it, is what the heck would the
committee do. Advising would be good, but then there has
to be someone to carry out their plans (you can't keep
running SIGCHI all by yourself!). So, some sort of action-
taking committee would help, but I think that is an oxymoron.

I feel right now that I already have a loong list of stuff that
cannot get done, so I would rather not start up a mailing
list for people to bring up more stuff that is not feasible
at this time.

Again, the SIGCHI half-time staff person, if in place, would
help give this committee a role.

We (two of us) can meet much before CHI, tho, if you think that
would help. I am planning on coming to the next BuckCHI meeting;
if I can get time off, I can make a day of it again. Diane D.
hasn't gotten back to me re: this part-time position** and I've
been too busy to initiate anything. I was hoping the meeting notes
that we missed would spur work here, but I haven't seen them yet.

Keith
*If all goes well, I will be there. Already have baby/mommy
sitters lined up.

** Executive decision here: we need a name for this blasted
job. "Information Technologist" seems contrived; is "Information
Technology Director" better? "Chief Information Officer"? (^: I
think getting this job defined would be a good start.

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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To: instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: SIGCHI Information Technology Committee
Cc: perlman
Status: RO

> All good ideas, at my first glance. I will MOST LIKELY*
> be at CHI, so I think some time set aside to talk/group
> think about this is a good idea.

Okay.  I'll put together is SIG proposal.

> The big question, as I see it, is what the heck would the
> committee do. Advising would be good, but then there has
> to be someone to carry out their plans (you can't keep
> running SIGCHI all by yourself!). So, some sort of action-
> taking committee would help, but I think that is an oxymoron.

Well, there's technical expertise, which is nice to have,
and then there is time, which few of us have much of.
I'd be happy to have a committee with lot of technical
expertise so that we could get questions answered or ideas proposed.
Then there is the policy stage, for which the EC might be involved.
Then there is the execution, on which some mythical staff might work.
And in reality, there's a lot of technical and policy issues
that do not come to light until execution, by which time
the EC has lost interest in responding and the geeks take over
(this is not just the story of the listserv, by the way),
so it would be good to have working geeks available.

> I feel right now that I already have a loong list of stuff that
> cannot get done, so I would rather not start up a mailing
> list for people to bring up more stuff that is not feasible
> at this time.

I mentioned the list as a way to involve more people,
like potential volunteers, some of whom might want
to take on the task of organizing all the stuff,
possibly on their way to becoming the next SIGCHI InfoDir.

Here is an idea: chi-Misc for MISC topics not worthy of a list.
We could use the TOPICS feature to let people select the
topics they want from the platter.  But topics are a little
complex (compared to the elegant simplicity of the rest of
listserv) and probably requires moderation.

> Again, the SIGCHI half-time staff person, if in place, would
> help give this committee a role.

That seems like a good idea, and long term,
I think that providing structure will help out
sigchi more than specific problem solutions
because people can pick up the pieces and keep going.

> We (two of us) can meet much before CHI, tho, if you think that
> would help. I am planning on coming to the next BuckCHI meeting;
> if I can get time off, I can make a day of it again. Diane D.
> hasn't gotten back to me re: this part-time position** and I've
> been too busy to initiate anything. I was hoping the meeting notes
> that we missed would spur work here, but I haven't seen them yet.

Don't hold your breath on the SIGCHI staff position.
I'd be surprised if anything happened in 1997,
and even if it did, they would require training,
and on what? with a job description provided by whom?

> Keith
> *If all goes well, I will be there. Already have baby/mommy
> sitters lined up.

Yah, but things can go wrong, and even minor things like
"this baby doesn't sleep at night" can kill schedules.
Let's hope for smooth running all around, but from a
new second-time father, I think you should err on the
side of helping out at home.

> ** Executive decision here: we need a name for this blasted
> job. "Information Technologist" seems contrived; is "Information
> Technology Director" better? "Chief Information Officer"? (^: I
> think getting this job defined would be a good start.

There is a name: Information Director, for your official role.
The EC has discussed elevating the ID to the EC,
and started to invite the ID to phone and face-to-face meets
(making an official change would require changing the bylaws,
which is a huge task).  Thinking of the ID as the CIO is
very much in line with what the EC has discussed in the past.
But I think the issue is about the committee and its
relation to the ID and the rest of SIGCHI.  For example:
	webmaster - may interact with "owners" of many pages
	listmaster - may interact with many listowners
some EC members are natural pageowners and listowners:
	publications - chi-publications and /sigchi/publications/
	education - chi-educators and /sigchi/education/
	communications - chi-EE hierarchy and officer's page
	conferences - chi-CMC hierarchy and conferences page
Most of these EC members do not, and should not need to have,
interests or skills in technology, but should be able to
control what goes on.  I have proposed something like:
	InfoDir
		Webmaster
		Listmaster
		Databastard
in an organization that, pardon me please, matrixes with SIGCHI,
and is overseen by the InfoDir who serves a dual technology and
advisory role to the EC as a whole (not to the VC-Pubs, which is
a historical accident reinforced by the fgact that the current
and former VC-Pubs are techies).

> Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
> Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
> Bowling Green State University
> Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA

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Hi all -

I'm still fighting the ongoing battle of getting my acm email forwarding
set up. Keith - bless his heart- finally pointed me toward what I
beleive the crux of my problem is:  in my real email address, I must
include my middle initial.  The address is 
barbee.e.teasley@ameritech.com

So here's a bunch of usability issues/concerns spawned by my attempts to
deal with getting my alias set up on acm.org:

1. Yes, I screwed up my email address when I entered it.  But humans
make mistakes.  Is there a way thru the sign-up site to correct that.
Not that I can find. I'm allowed to change my alias(name) and my
password, but not my email address. Weird. What if I get a new email
address?  What do I do then?  Seems like since I have a password, I
ought to be able to change my forwarding address whenever I want.

2.  I couldn't find the scrap of paper I'd written the url of the
sign-up site on. So I blithely went to the ACM home page. I use
netscape. I have the graphics-download turned off (slow machine/slow
connection).  From what I saw (text-based) I hadn't a clue.  I tried to
click on the hot word 'menu' and got an error message.  I tried the
text-only version. Still nothing that tipped me off that it was the
email alias sign up.  Finally, Keith told me it was called "WWW
Account".  I never would have guessed that.  It's an "email alias" or
"email forwarding" or something - but not a WWW Account. At least to me.
Oh, yes - I also looked under "Recent announcements" (whatever it's
called) and found nothing about the alias service. 

3. I tried going to the SIGCHI site, thinking there would be a pointer
to the email alias stuff. Nope.

4. I have tried several times to use the 'I've-got-a-problem' email
button from within the acm site. It never gets thru. I get a 'server not
responding' error message.   

The email alias is such a great service to offer members. I think it is
a real selling point/promo.  But if people can't do it *easily* - it's a
turn off. Especially at ACM!!!!

Longer term, I think we should follow the existing guidelines for
creating web sites that are more accessible to the sight/physically
impaired. There are some simple rules to follow that not only help those
folks, but make it easier for us web-klutzes / web-impatients to get
around.

thanks for listening.  I care or I wouldn't be taking the time to write
this.

Barbee Teasley

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> I'm still fighting the ongoing battle of getting my acm email forwarding
> set up. Keith - bless his heart- finally pointed me toward what I
> beleive the crux of my problem is:  in my real email address, I must
> include my middle initial.  The address is 
> barbee.e.teasley@ameritech.com

I'm sure that the mail server sent mail to the wrong address
telling you about the problem, but maybe it should have
generated a postcard.

Have you thought of contacting your email provider?
It seems that a big ol' RBOC like Ameritech
should be able to deliver mail sent to you
without your middle initial. :-)

> So here's a bunch of usability issues/concerns spawned by my attempts to
> deal with getting my alias set up on acm.org:
> 
> 1. Yes, I screwed up my email address when I entered it.  But humans
> make mistakes.  Is there a way thru the sign-up site to correct that.
> Not that I can find. I'm allowed to change my alias(name) and my
> password, but not my email address. Weird. What if I get a new email
> address?  What do I do then?  Seems like since I have a password, I
> ought to be able to change my forwarding address whenever I want.

You CAN change it, but I only wander there occasionally.
No usability testing, I suspect.
I have done some usability testing on the subscriber
form I made for SIGCHI lists, but there has been
little done for the rest of the site,
and your "task" seems like one of the most important
for SIGCHI members.  At our SIG session at CHI 97,
Keith and I will be looking for help with utesting the
SIGCHI site (as we mentioned in our writeup).

> 2.  I couldn't find the scrap of paper I'd written the url of the
> sign-up site on. So I blithely went to the ACM home page. I use
> netscape. I have the graphics-download turned off (slow machine/slow
> connection).  From what I saw (text-based) I hadn't a clue.  I tried to
> click on the hot word 'menu' and got an error message.  I tried the
> text-only version. Still nothing that tipped me off that it was the
> email alias sign up.  Finally, Keith told me it was called "WWW
> Account".  I never would have guessed that.  It's an "email alias" or
> "email forwarding" or something - but not a WWW Account. At least to me.
> Oh, yes - I also looked under "Recent announcements" (whatever it's
> called) and found nothing about the alias service. 

I have already sent comments on these points to ACM.

Also, I think users get confused about getting an account
so that they can access protected areas (e.g., Bulletin)
and the email aliases (which people confuse with ACM
providing a mailbox) and WWW accounts (which people think
means that ACM is providing web pages.  A few unfortunate
names go a long way in confusing people.

> 3. I tried going to the SIGCHI site, thinking there would be a pointer
> to the email alias stuff. Nope.

I counted 7 links from the SIGCHI site, but the naming problem
makes it hard to tell what will get you there.  I added
another two in some "obvious"  places.

> 4. I have tried several times to use the 'I've-got-a-problem' email
> button from within the acm site. It never gets thru. I get a 'server not
> responding' error message.   
> 
> The email alias is such a great service to offer members. I think it is
> a real selling point/promo.  But if people can't do it *easily* - it's a
> turn off. Especially at ACM!!!!
> 
> Longer term, I think we should follow the existing guidelines for
> creating web sites that are more accessible to the sight/physically
> impaired. There are some simple rules to follow that not only help those
> folks, but make it easier for us web-klutzes / web-impatients to get
> around.

The lack of coordination of the text and graphic versions is a problem.
So is, I think, the general graphic design, which is not on a par
with other ACM publications like interactions.

> thanks for listening.  I care or I wouldn't be taking the time to write
> this.
> 
> Barbee Teasley
> 


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Gary,
hi, this looks good! I have a couple of comments about the conference
support. Arnie and I have talked with Diane about this matter. We'd like to
discuss the possibility of the webmaster handling the chi reviewer database
that is on the web as well as the CHI'98 web page, and the proceedings as
you mention in your note below.
Comments?
Regards,
CM
To:       CHI-EEC @ ACM.ORG
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From:     perlman @ turing.acm.org
Date:     01/30/97 09:41:00 AM
Subject:  SIGCHI Information Infrastructure




Keith Instone and I put in the following proposal for a SIG session at CHI
97. It is especially relevant to the SIGCHI EEC as we are the primary
information providers to SIGCHI members.

And as we move to hire a staff person to manage the day-to-day information
management, it might serve as a high-level job description.

The document is at: http://www.acm.org/~perlman/infosig.html

But here is the text for the web-disinclined.


                   ACM SIGCHI Information Infrastructure

   Gary Perlman
        SIGCHI Vice Chair for Publications
        OCLC Online Computer Library Center
        6565 Frantz Road
        Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA
        perlman@acm.org
   Keith Instone
        SIGCHI Information Director
        Computer Science Department
        Bowling Green State University
        Bowling Green, Ohio 43403 USA
        instone@acm.org
     _________________________________________________________________

   _Table of Contents:_
     * Abstract
     * Goals for the Meeting
     * SIGCHI's Information Technology Areas
     * Application Areas
          + General Information
          + Extended Executive Committee Support
          + Publications and Conference Support
          + Technical Discussions
     * New Directions

     _________________________________________________________________

Abstract

   We describe recent improvements to the ACM SIGCHI information
   infrastructure, mainly in the SIGCHI Web site and SIGCHI use of the
   ACM LISTSERV for mailing lists and aliases, and how they have been
   applied to provide general information, support committees,
   publications and conferences, and technical discussions. We then
   describe some key areas where volunteers are needed to improve SIGCHI
   information services, particularly in the area of databases.
     _________________________________________________________________

Goals for the Meeting

     * _Inform Members of Progress:_ to discuss recent changes to the
       SIGCHI information infrastructure in the areas of the web site,
       mailing lists, online publications, etc.
     * _Evaluate Policies:_ to gather feedback on the policies for
       different areas of the SIGCHI Information Infrastructure,
       particularly for new areas, such as online databases.
     * _Recruit Expertise and Workers:_ We want to recruit people with
       time and expertise to help maintain old and realize new SIGCHI
       information offerings.

     _________________________________________________________________

SIGCHI's Information Technology Areas

   SIGCHI has based its information infrastructure primarily on the
   World-Wide Web (e.g., the SIGCHI Web site, www.acm.org/sigchi/,
   redesigned in 1996 by Scott Robertson) and LISTSERV mailing lists and
   aliases (recently moved from Xerox PARC, where they were supported for
   years, to ACM, and described in www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/).
   SIGCHI has also utilized Web Crossings WebX for discussions (although
   it has fallen into disuse). SIGCHI has started to make use of the new
   ACM member accounts (described in www.acm.org/account/).
     _________________________________________________________________

Application Areas

  General Information

   An informal news service started at the end of 1996 at
   www.acm.org/sigchi/news/, with time-critical events displayed on
   the SIGCHI home page.

  Extended Executive Committee Support

   SIGCHI is run by the Extended Executive Committee (EEC) with consists
   of the Executive Committee (EC) and the Adjunct Chairs. The people on
   these committees communicate extensively with electronic mail,
   supported now by ACM member accounts and the ACM LISTSERV (see
   www.acm.org/sigchi/officers/). For some SIGCHI chairs, there are
   corresponding Web pages (e.g., Publications, Conferences,
   Education, Local SIGs) and mailing lists (e.g.,
   chi-Publications@acm.org, chi-Tech-Program@acm.org,
   chi-Educators@acm.org, chi-Local-SIGs@acm.org)

  Publications and Conference Support

   The SIGCHI Bulletin is in its second year of a two-year experiment to
   publish the Bulletin on the Web at www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/.
   As part of the creation of the new SIGCHI mailing lists, LISTSERV
   aliases were created for individual Bulletin editors.

   The Annual CHI Conference is publishing its proceedings on the Web for
   the third year. We are compiling access statistics for CHI'95 and
   CHI'96 and plan to track CHI'97, when it is released. CHI'97
   was the first annual SIGCHI conference to use the ACM LISTSERV; 59
   lists were created for the event, and more are planned for CHI'98.

  Technical Discussions

   SIGCHI open lists have supported announcements and discussions on many
   HCI topics. The SIGCHI Web site describes these lists under the SIGCHI
   LISTSERV Web page www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/:
     * Help Form for Open Lists at
       www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/request.html
     * Instructions for SIGCHI List Owners at
       www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/listown/

     _________________________________________________________________

New Directions

   We several areas where SIGCHI's information infrastructure can be
   improved and/or better used. These relate back to the SIGCHI EC's
   goals for SIGCHI to be a focal point of HCI in the world and the
   _heart_ of SIGCHI members' professional network. (See SIGCHI
   Bulletin, Vol. 28, No. 1, 1996.)
     * _Use of Web and LISTSERV by Vice / Adjunct Chairs._ Although there
       are Vice Chairs and Adjunct Chairs (see
       www.acm.org/sigchi/officers) using the Web and/or LISTSERV
       mailing lists, some chairs have not yet made use of these
       facilities. There are opportunities for volunteers to assist
       chairs (or even hold a chair) to provide more information to
       members.
     * _Databases for Members._ Little progress has been made on efforts
       to create a consultants directory, a job bank, or a member
       directory (which should build on the ACM accounts at
       www.acm.org/account/).
     * _Indexes to HCI Information._ There is an opportunity for some
       industrious volunteers to merge the existing indexes of HCI
       material on the Web (e.g., HCI-VL, HCI Index, HCI
       Resources) at the SIGCHI Web site.
     * _HCI Bibliographic Services._ The HCI Bibliography is going to
       be supported by ACM SIGCHI, creating new opportunities for
       volunteers to provide the HCI community with improved and new
       services.
     * _Graphic Design and Usability of SIGCHI Services._ There is a
       constant need for volunteer expertise in these areas.




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To: Gary PERLMAN 
Cc: Mike Atwood , Gene Lynch ,
        "'Scooter Morris'" ,
        "'Gerrit van der Veer'" 
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Gary - for your information - no action necessary, I just wanted to be sure 
you were aware of this.  thanks, diane
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From: Benjamin B. Bederson
To: chi98-chairs
Cc: darrow; Kristian Simsarian
Subject: Comments on CHI'97 Web Site
Date: Monday, March 10, 1997 10:42AM

As you requested, here are my comments on the CHI'97 Web Site in regards
to the Video.  (Overall, I think the site is excellent.  It is easy to
navigate, and contains lots of information).

  1. The video (in my opinion) does not have enough visibility.
     At first, I could not find it at all, and then found just two
     sentences after finding it linked from the Overview.  That is fine
     for the overview, but is in adequate for anyone that wants to
     find out details.

     I would suggest having it somewhere on the main page since it seems
     that all other major components of the program are available from
     there. Perhaps under Conference Events.  In this section, I would
     have more detail about the video including the fact that it is
     considered one of the three archival refereed publications of the
     conference (Proceedings, Companion, and Video).  I would also explain
     that it is included in the conference registration fee, and
     distributed to all attendees (assuming it is for future conferences).
     Also, I would mention that it plays continously at the conference
     (I think), and at the conference hotels.  Also, see the next point.

  2. The list of items on the video should be listed with a similar format
     to the way papers, short papers, panels, demonstrations and design
     briefings are.  That is, Title, Author and Affiliation should be
     listed.  In addition, for Video Figures, there should be a hyperlink
     between the figure and the associated paper (and vice versa).  (Hey,
     this is the web - let's take advantage of it!)

     I consider this to be crucial.  If we want to promote the video, we
     must increase its status, utility, and visibility.


   - Ben

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From Darrow@hq.acm.org Wed Feb 26 20:18:01 1997
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To: "'Keith Instone'" 
Cc: Diane Darrow , "'Arnie Lund'" ,
        Mike Atwood ,
        Clare-Marie Karat ,
        "'Arnie2'" ,
        Gene Lynch ,
        Gary PERLMAN ,
        "'Gerrit van der Veer'" 
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Hi Keith,

Thanks for spending time on the phone with Clare-Marie and me this morning 
to discuss the beginnings of the work you may be doing for SIGCHI on a 
contractual basis.  Our primary objective in staffing the support the the 
SIGCHI electronic environment is to build an environment that we can count 
on without overburdening the volunteers.  As you can imagine this is much 
easier said than done. We appreciate you working with us to find a way to 
build a structure that we can count on.  As we discussed today we believe it 
is important  this position report to me, as SIGCHI's (the organization) 
representative so this electronic support is kept in the environment where 
the organization can decide what type of resources and time they want to 
devote to this effort.  Individuals in this community will most certainly be 
coming directly to you to get things done, but the appropriate response is 
to direct them to me.   While I don't understand lots of the technical 
stuff, it is my job to be sure that the organization is managed responsibly. 
 I will be working with Gary and other appropriate people to figure out 
priorities and provide direction back to you.  We will be looking to you to 
be able to provide us with estimations of amounts of resource that projects 
will take.

We are, at this point, looking to build a reliable environment - it may not 
be fancy - (though by most  standards it already is) but our first criteria 
is to build a responsible base environment with which we can run the 
business of this organization.  We can go from there, but you will need to 
be working with me to be sure that we are prioritizing the million projects 
everyone will(already do) want you to accomplish immediately.   When we need 
to get people together to discuss things in detail (prior to implementation) 
we will do so, and I expect that you will be involved in these discussions 
often.  We'll need to work out a way so that this will work, probably a 
regular phone call would work - it should be during the hours you intend to 
devote to this project.

So, having said all of that - here is a preliminary set of notes that we can 
start with to form a description for the contract. I have used some of 
Gary's material - so Gary, as VC Publications, please jump right in here and 
help us define this position.  Also, where it may not make sense for you to 
be doing some of this work (like the stuff that would be considered 
clerical) we are looking for you to propose solutions.

JOB DESCRIPTION - Support for ACM SIGCHI Electronic Environment

Summary:  ACM SIGCHI has an elaborate electronic environment which is 
already operational.  The objective for creating this position is to provide 
*regular* support to that environment so that the organization can use this 
as a business tool and solidly count on its regular maintenance as well as 
updating, when appropriate.

Task Areas:

1.   Email

SIGCHI mailing lists are critical tools for managing communication
among members of the SIGCHI community. Announcements to all members,
conference submissions and reviewing, and committee meetings and
voting are just a few of the activities that take place using SIGCHI
mailing lists.

 The SIGCHI mailing lists have recently been moved to  new ACM listserv.

Each mailing list will have a
maintainer who will be responsible for the accuracy and completeness
of the list. List maintainers will be able to provide welcome files
(e.g., with the list charter) and other files to users. SIGCHI needs
someone to watch over the listserv resource and transfer process and
make sure that the lists are working properly and that the maintainers
and users get the help they need.

Responsibilities would include:
  * providing guidance on effective use of the ACM listserv (i.e.,
    know the listserv documentation)
  * recruiting list maintainers for the open lists (e.g.,
    announcements, educators, etc.)
  * adding and deleting mailing lists from the listserv.
  * adding and deleting mail aliases from lists that do not have
    automatic subscribe/unsubscribe permissions (e.g. the SIGCHI
    executive committee).
  * communicating with mailing list maintainers and users to help them
    do their jobs.
  * responding to mailing list problems and working with ACM to
    correct them.
  * working with the information director to help design Web-based
    tools for mailing list help and management.

2.  Conference Support
a.  creation and maintenance of aliases and email mailing lists.
     - working with Conference Organization
          (including the Conference office for automatic
         updates with roster updates)
b.  Build and maintain Website to support the public needs and to support 
the operational needs of the Conference
     1.  Load all promotional pieces including CFP and AP
c.  Collect and provide feedback to organization on suggested improvements 
to the electronic
     support environment.
d.  Provide advice about/support to the loading of electronic documents 
(Proceedings/Summary)

d.  Load
     
3.  The organization's Website
All of the above functions...just replace the word "Conference" with 
"Organization"

So, that is about my brain dump for the evening.  As you know we appreciate 
the work you are already doing for CHI98 and for SIGCHI and we want to get 
this support started as quickly as possible.  Please view the above as only 
a draft that will need to be refined, but I have tried to put the basics in 
as I see them.

As we also discussed, you will be coming up with a recommendation of how you 
think we should
handle compensation (probably on an hourly basis as we discussed) and an 
estimate of how many
hours you will have to devote to this (each week) in the next several 
months.

Now - I want to ask an important question...is your attendance to CHI97 
being supported by your employer.? I ask because if it isn't I think it 
approriate for us to have a conversation about how SIGCHI can support you in 
this conference.  It is certainly to SIGCHI's benefit to encourage you to 
maximize the conference for the benefit of all the things listed above. 
 Please let me know as quickly as possible.

Keith, thank you so much for being so flexible and supportive.

I have a couple of things for CHI98 from the call - which will need to be 
done in the next couple of weeks.  They are:
1.  Create the following email addresses:
chi98-mentors@acm.org - please point that to Robin Jeffries
chi98-dev@acm.org - please point to Scooter Morris (for the Development 
Consortium)
Move or put in a pointer from CHI98 to the stuff at 
http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi97/pubform and
    if you move it please change to chi98 - we are changing some things on 
it so you might want to wait
    for the call
Move or put a pointer from CHI98 to the student volunteer handbook (from 
CHI97)
Load the Committee contact roster - for now it should only include work 
numbers and fax and the
   alias addresses - if you need work done on this first, please let me know 
and I'll have the conference
   office make up a roster, for how it should be listed.
We mention an online CHI98 Student form - we'll have one in the call, but 
can you dummy in the one
     from CHI97?

Thanks Keith - I know everyone appreciates your wonderfulness!  take care, 
diane




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Hi Gary and Mike - below is the text of the contract I have worked out for 
Keith Instone to support the electronic environment for ACM SIGCHI.  As we 
agreed the first support would go to CHI98 and we have worked the contract 
out based on this. I would like to get this contract signed, sealed and 
delivered by CHI97, so we can provide full disclosure of this at the 
business meeting - with Keith being a volunteer for the SIG it is important 
that we disclose the fact that we have hired this support to avoid 
conflicts, like we have done with Rosemary Wick Stevens.

Mike, we have faxed the contract to you.  If you agree, please sign the 
signature page and fax back to us so we can execute the contract quickly. 
 Gary - any comments you have are more than welcome.  As we have constructed 
the position Keith reports to me for direction - like Tricia, who we just 
hired to support conferences.  I assume I will be working closely with you 
Gary to determine priorities and manage projects....your thoughts?

The contract is as follows:






Independent Contractor Agreement

1.      Parties.  The Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction 
(SIGCHI) of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), located at 1515 
Broadway, New York, NY  10036, contracts for the professional services of 
Keith Instone (Contractor) located at 13811 Devils Hole Road, Bowling Green, 
OH  43402 (SS# 300-46-6874) an independent contractor.

2.  Responsibilities. Contractor shall carry out the following 
responsibilities:
Support on-line communications for ACM SIGCHI which includes mailing lists, 
external (public) Web and internal (to the Committee) Web.

3.      Compensation.  The compensation for this contract is $35 per hour. 
   Payment shall be made within 15 days of receipt of invoice.  It is 
understood that initially the contract will be for approximately 8 hours a 
week, but additional time will be discussed on an ongoing basis and mutually 
agreed to.

ACM/SIGCHI shall pay all invoices in a timely manner not to exceed 15 days. 
 Late payments will be assessed a 10% finance charge.

This compensation includes all work done prior to the signing of this 
contract regarding the duties described in the attached job description.

This is the total compensation and is a professional fee.  Taxes, Insurance, 
Worker's Compensation contributions, sick pay, vacation pay, holiday pay, 
paid time off, and all other fees, licenses, or legal obligations are 
Contractor+s sole responsibility.

4.      Ownership of Work Product.  Any work product of this contract is the 
property of ACM/SIGCHI and must be returned to ACM/SIGCHI upon premature 
termination of the contract.

5.      ACM Policies and Procedures.  Contractor agrees to adhere to ACM 
policies and procedures in the execution of their duties.

6.      Term.  This agreement takes effect upon authorization by the ACM 
Program Director, and terminates one year later.  Contract can be extended 
with a simple addendum.

7.      Termination. The Chair of ACM SIGCHI, the ACM Program Director, or 
Contractor may terminate this agreement for whatever cause with one month+s 
 written notice. If either party terminates this agreement, ACM/SIGCHI will 
be liable for all professional fees earned up to and including the date on 
which the notice of termination is submitted, plus the professional fee 
earned up to the actual date of termination. This contract may not be 
terminated without paying the balance of any earned compensation or 
authorized outstanding expenses.

8.      Reimbursement of Expenses.  Expenses such as postage, shipping, 
telephone, fax, copying, travel, and other direct costs associated with 
meeting the responsibilities of this agreement will be reimbursed by 
ACM/SIGCHI upon receipt of a completed reimbursement request accompanied by 
original receipts.  In such a case where an original receipt cannot be 
surrendered, a copy of this receipt will be submitted with an explanation. 
ACM/SIGCHI shall reimburse contractor  for all authorized expenses related 
to this contract at cost in a timely manner not to exceed 30 days.  Late 
reimbursements will be assessed a 10% finance charge.

Expenses (other than mileage reimbursement to meetings) will not be incurred 
without prior authorization. Mileage reimbursement will be made in 
accordance with ACM policy.

9.      Conflict of Interest.  No conflict of interest exists between any 
parties involved including volunteers or other individuals authorized to 
sign contracts on behalf of ACM.

10.     Whole Agreement.  This is the whole agreement.  Any amendments or 
modifications shall be made in writing and agreed to by both parties.

11.     Arbitration.  Any dispute between the parties arising out of this 
agreement shall be settled by arbitration in New York, NY, by one mutually 
agreed upon arbitrator, in accordance with the Commercial Arbitration Rules 
then in effect of the American Arbitration Association.  Judgment upon the 
award
may be entered in any court of competent jurisdiction to restrain any 
anticipatory or continuing breach by the other party of its obligations 
under this agreement.

12.     Option to Adjust Services.  The option exists to adjust services. 
 Modifications in rate and responsibilities may be made as determined and 
mutually agreed upon by ACM Program Director and contractor according to 
changes, additions, or deletions to the services described in the attached 
proposal.  Any changes, additions, or deletions will not be binding until 
same have been approved in writing by the ACM Program Director, and 
Contractor.

There is provision for tasks beyond the scope of this agreement to be 
negotiated on a task-by-task basis.

13.     Waiver of Breach.  Breach by either party may be waived without 
affecting the rights of future breach.

14.     Relevant law.  The Uniform Commercial Code shall govern this 
agreement.



The following signatures indicate acceptance of this agreement:


______________________________________________________________
Mike Atwood                             Date
ACM SIGCHI Chair


______________________________________________________________
Diane Darrow                                                 Date
ACM Program Director


______________________________________________________________
Keith Instone                           Date
Usable Web



thanks, diane

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Subject: SIGCHI Website policies: InfoDir*
Cc: perlman
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Oh goody, we need a policy about who can work on the website.
It should be published.

I think I recall you making a list of people who work on
the website (i.e., under www.acm.oirg/sigchi),
but I don't recall see ing any policies about
	1. who can work on it
	2. who (on the EC) is accountable for what they do
	3. who must approve (what types of) changes

The first time I looked for a new infodir,
the EC discussed these issues,
but the final resolution was that
the VC Publications is responsible.

Now, perhaps unwisely, I set up a chi-kids
web page sigchi/kids, and the chi-kids listowner
wants to be able to edit the page(s).
She doesn't know how, so she sends me the
name of a new person every week or so;
each one is unknown to me, but is in charge
of yet another bad web site (i.e., possibly
unqualified?).  I think that any person who
does get approved must do so through the InfoDir
and coordinate with the InfoDir.

This is independent of the issue of who will
be the next InfoDir.

For the chi-kids site, I may be able to provide
a form that they can fill in to add new links to the pages.
But I think we do need a policy statement about
who is allowed on the site.

We might model this after the policy I cobbled
for listserv owners, but I don't think we need
to be restricted in any way.

Here are some issues:
	SIGCHI Membership Required?
	Expertise in Web, UNIX?
	Reports to EC or EEC Member?
For content, there are issues:
	What needs approval?
	What styles must be followed, if any?

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>Oh goody, we need a policy about who can work on the website.
>It should be published.
>
>I think I recall you making a list of people who work on
>the website (i.e., under www.acm.oirg/sigchi),

I have not compiled my list of "info providers" (ACM term)
for SIGCHI yet. In the past, we have been lucky: the
conferences etal have done a decent job on their subsites.

>Here are some issues:
>	SIGCHI Membership Required?
>	Expertise in Web, UNIX?
>	Reports to EC or EEC Member?
>For content, there are issues:
>	What needs approval?
>	What styles must be followed, if any?

Off the top of my head, i cannot think of any more
issues.

For starters, let me catalog what we currently have:
gotta have some info before you can make a good policy.


Keith


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA



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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:18:35 -0500
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From: Keith Instone 
Subject: Early report on SIGCHI stuff
Status: RO

Here is a first stab at figuring out who is doing what for SIGCHI
and its Web stuff. This is mainly guess work, since I do not think it
has been documented anywhere. I did a lot of grepping thru system
files to gather this info.

Some things I cannot figure out, like how has "chi-loc" been updating
their web pages (last mod Feb 20 97) without logging in since Feb 96?
And what the heck is Rodney doing with several accounts? And who the
hell is Srinivas Raghavan and why does he have write access to most
of the SIGCHI web? And why is "gmo" in the sigchi group when user "gmo"
does not even exist?

I see lots of potential for cleaning up here.

Do you any other people, groups, or areas to add?

Keith


Account   Name                 Purpose (?)              Last login (3/12)
instone   Keith Instone        Info Dir                 3/12
perlman   Gary Perlman         VC Pubs                  3/12
scottrob  Scoot Robertson      Ex ID                    10/30/96
spguest   Steve Guest          CHI 96 proceedings       3/11
eddy      Eddy Boeve           CHI 97                   3/6
steven    Steven Pemberton     Bulletin                 3/3
chi97     CHI97 Submissions                             1/3
chi97tec  Rodney Fuller        CHI 97 Tech Comm         3/12
fuller    Rodney Fuller                                 8/16/96
chi-vols  Rodney Fuller                                 5/8/96
scooter   Scooter Morris       Ex ID                    10/5/95
raghaven  Srinivas Raghavan                             1/28
olson     Gary Olson           DIS 97                   12/13/96
chifoo    Jenny Greenleaf      CHIfoo                   1/15
delaere   Kevin DeLaere        BuckCHI                  never
chi-loc   Kenny Kutney         Local SIGs               2/15/96
tang      John Tang            Tech transfer            2/27/96
mainwar   Scott Mainwaring     CSCW 96                  11/8/96
robertso  George Robertson     UIST 97                  3/12
djk       David Kurlander      UIST 96?                 10/6/96

Group     Purpose         Members
chi-loc   Local SIGs      chi-loc,scottrob,instone
chi96     CHI 96          spguest,instone,scottrob,instone
chi97     CHI 97          eddy,scottrob,steven,instone
cscw      CSCW            mainwar,scottrob,instone
techtr    Tech Transfer   tang,scottrob,instone
uist      UIST            djk,instone,robertso
sigchi-v  Volunteers      fuller,scottrob,chi-vols,instone
sigchi    Main group      instone,steven,scooter,perlman,barish/ACM,scottrob,
                            raghavan,gmo?,olson,chifoo
uist97    UIST 97         instone,robertso
buckchi   BuckCHI         delaere
chisub    CHI 97 Submit   chi97,eddy

Directory     Purpose &=sub   Owner       Group *=write  Last Mod
officers      Officers        perlman     sigchi*        3/12
listserv      Email info      perlman     sigchi         3/12
webhci        WebHCI &        instone     sigchi*        3/10
conferences   Conferences     scottrob    sigchi*        3/8
video                         perlman     sigchi         3/8
chi97         CHI 97 &        steven      chi97*         3/5
news                          perlman     sigchi*
publications                  perlman     sigchi*
chi98         CHI 98 &        instone     sigchi
RCS                           perlman     sigchi*
documents                     scottrob    sigchi*
infodir                       perlman     sigchi*
kids                          perlman     sigchi*
education                     perlman     sigchi*
local-sigs                    chi-loc     chi-loc*
bulletin      Bulletin &      steven      sigchi*
membership                    scottrob    sigchi*
webx          Discussion sw   root        sigchi*
dis97         DIS 97 &        instone     sigchi*
cscw96        CSCW 96 &       mainwar     cscw*
bin                           perlman     sigchi*
chi96         CHI 96 &        instone     chi96*
volunteers                    scottrob    sigchi*
old                           perlman     sigchi
hci-sites                     scottrob    sigchi*
include                       perlman     sigchi*
chi95         CHI 95 &        instone     sigchi*
techtransfer  Tech xfer &     tang        techtr*
images                        scottrob    sigchi*
cdg                           perlman     sigchi*
chivas                        root        sigchi*
chi97crash                    eddy        sigchi*
educhi                        scottrob    sigchi*
mailing-lists                 scottrob    sigchi*
xx/uist       UIST 97 &       djk         uist*
yy/buckchi    BuckCHI &       delaere     buckchi

xx/ = /usr2/info/conferences/uist/
yy/ = /usr2/info/chapters/
others = /usr2/info/sigs/sigchi/ prefix

& = subsite that does not fit in with general SIGCHI design
* = writeable by members of that group


Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA



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Gary --

Thanks for keeping this issue raised to the ACM folks.  I hope you get a
reasonable response from Wayne Graves.  In any event, I will talk to Joe
DeBlasi next Wednesday (that's the earliest he has time!) about the search
for a program director for 'CHI and staff support, in general.  If there is
anything you want me to relay to Joe, let me know.

Thanks
 -- Mike


>Encoding: 93 TEXT
>Date:         Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:01:00 PDT
>Reply-To: Donna Baglio 
>Sender: ACM SIGCHI Extended Executive Committee Mailing List
>              
>From: Donna Baglio 
>Subject:      Re: Web statistics
>X-To:         Gary PERLMAN 
>X-cc:         baglio , instone ,
>              mac , perlman ,
>              support 
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>
>Gary,
>
>I have spoken to our Director of MIS regarding your concerns.  He will be
>calling you tomorrow to discuss all the issues you mention in your e-mail.
>
>Donna
> ----------
>From: Gary PERLMAN
>To: chi-eec
>Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
>Subject: Re: Web statistics
>Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM
>
>On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
>I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
>I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
>in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
>finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
>catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.
>
>Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
>
>> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
>> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
>> From: Gary PERLMAN 
>> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
>> To: support@acm.org
>> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
>> Cc: perlman
>>
>> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic
>publications.
>>
>> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>>
>> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>>
>> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
>> and when people are accessing the online information.
>> I have been unable to find the logs.
>>
>> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
>
>> > Hi there,
>> >
>> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
>> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
>> >
>> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
>> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
>> > we should continue or not.
>> >
>> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
>> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
>> > page accesses.
>> >
>> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
>> >
>> > Many thanks.
>> >
>> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
>> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
>> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Steven Pemberton
>> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
>> >
>> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
>> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
>> >     To: support@acm.org
>> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
>> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
>> >
>> >     Hello,
>> >
>> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
>> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
>> >
>> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
>> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
>> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
>> >
>> >     Many thanks!
>> >
>> >     Steven Pemberton
>> >
>>
>

___________________________________________________________________________
Mike Atwood
NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA
Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com



From perlman Thu Apr 24 09:45:28 1997
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Subject: Re: Web statistics
To: atwood@nynexst.com (Mike Atwood)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:45:26 -0400 (EDT)
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I think that the general think to convey is that while we appreciate
the efforts by the ACM staff, there are still serious deficiencies
in the timeliness and quality of services they provide to us
to allow us to provide services to our members.  Part of this is
that SIGCHI is the tail that is wagging the dog, and it's hard
to teach an old dog new tricks (block that metaphor!).  ACM _is_
making progress, and I am very keen on sticking with them
through this rather long period of establishing new serives
so that (1) SIGCHI gets served well (eventually) and (2) all
of ACM gets served well, when they figure out it's what they want.

Here is my list of current problems, which I do not expect you
to share with Joe, but which will give you some background.

Gary

HTTP logs:
	We would like to analyze the HTTP access logs
	to understand how people have been using:
		CHI conference proceedings
		SIGCHI Bulletin
		SIGCHI Website
		HCI Bibliography
	We have been unable to find the logs or even ascertain
	if they are being kept, despite several emails to support@acm.org
	which started on April 11.  My understanding from previous
	email is that ACM is not keeping log information, but we want it
	turned on, and I think it would be in SIGCHI's interests to
	pay for additional disk space or perhaps set up scripts to
	summarize the logs once a week before they are deleted.

Listserv Web Archives:
	The lastest version of LISTSERV features a
	web-based interface to the notebook archives
	we keep for open discussion lists.
	We have been waiting for these for a month or two,
	but the installation for most of our lists is
	being held up while ACM staff refine the system.
	Some lists, however, have accessible archives, so it is
	not clear why we can have web archives for
	all the lists that are properly configured.
	The web interface provided by LISTSERV is
	not great, but it's much nicer than querying by email,
	so it would be a big improvement for users.

Online catalogue
	I sent another message noting all the problems in the online
	catalogue a few weeks ago, and ACM responded quickly
	to update the CHI and related pages.  But when placing
	an order over the weekend, I found that:
		1. The CHI proceedings page has ???s on it
			and garbage characters.
		2. Several items I ordered did not make it into my order,
			a problem I repeated today with the UIST'96
			CD proceedings.
		3. I could not complete my order because the system
			hanged for 10 minutes and I gave up.
	I reported these problems to ACM on Monday.
	Browsing around today, I noticed that the CHI video page:
		http://www.acm.org/catalog/videos/chi.html
	is completely out of date (although the chi videos are
	listed with the conference proceedings).  ACM needs some
	sort of quality control, obviously.

HCI Bibliography:
	The setup of the HCI Bibliography domain hcibib.org
	at ACM has been rocky.  The domain was established
	February 10, but the staff has been slow to respond
	and every job has been absurdly slow and with problems.
		1. the domain name server supplied to us
			by ACM staff seems to be the wrong one,
			and some people trying to connect to
			www.hcibib.org get connected to
				a. the right place
				b. an acm directory
				c. the acm home page
				d. a missing page
			ACM has been slow to supply us with the
			right information, although they did
			supply us with some clearly incomplete
			information.
		2. the ftp server has not been set up as requested,
			although it seems that each time I check for it,
			it works differently, so they seem to be
			working on it.
		3. an email alias, director@hcibib.org, was set up
			just yesterday, and it seems to work
		4. I am still waiting for an hcibib group to be created

> Gary --
> 
> Thanks for keeping this issue raised to the ACM folks.  I hope you get a
> reasonable response from Wayne Graves.  In any event, I will talk to Joe
> DeBlasi next Wednesday (that's the earliest he has time!) about the search
> for a program director for 'CHI and staff support, in general.  If there is
> anything you want me to relay to Joe, let me know.
> 
> Thanks
>  -- Mike
> 
> 
> >Encoding: 93 TEXT
> >Date:         Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:01:00 PDT
> >Reply-To: Donna Baglio 
> >Sender: ACM SIGCHI Extended Executive Committee Mailing List
> >              
> >From: Donna Baglio 
> >Subject:      Re: Web statistics
> >X-To:         Gary PERLMAN 
> >X-cc:         baglio , instone ,
> >              mac , perlman ,
> >              support 
> >To: CHI-EEC@ACM.ORG
> >
> >Gary,
> >
> >I have spoken to our Director of MIS regarding your concerns.  He will be
> >calling you tomorrow to discuss all the issues you mention in your e-mail.
> >
> >Donna
> > ----------
> >From: Gary PERLMAN
> >To: chi-eec
> >Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
> >Subject: Re: Web statistics
> >Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM
> >
> >On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
> >I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
> >I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
> >in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
> >finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
> >catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.
> >
> >Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> >
> >> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> >> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> >> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> >> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> >> To: support@acm.org
> >> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> >> Cc: perlman
> >>
> >> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic
> >publications.
> >>
> >> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
> >>       /sigchi/bulletin/
> >>
> >> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
> >>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
> >>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
> >>
> >> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> >> and when people are accessing the online information.
> >> I have been unable to find the logs.
> >>
> >> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> >
> >> > Hi there,
> >> >
> >> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> >> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >> >
> >> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> >> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> >> > we should continue or not.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> >> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> >> > page accesses.
> >> >
> >> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> >> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> >> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Steven Pemberton
> >> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >> >
> >> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >> >     To: support@acm.org
> >> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >> >
> >> >     Hello,
> >> >
> >> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >> >
> >> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >> >
> >> >     Many thanks!
> >> >
> >> >     Steven Pemberton
> >> >
> >>
> >
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Mike Atwood
> NYNEX Science & Technology, 500 Westchester Ave. White Plains, NY 10604 USA
> Office: +1 914 644 2582, Fax: +1 914 644 2561, internet atwood@nynexst.com
> 
> 
> 


From perlman@oclc.org Mon May 19 18:33:58 1997
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>From gswift@netcom.com Fri May 16 19:33:49 1997
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:33:40 -0700
From: gswift@netcom.com (Gary Swift)
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Hello,

I applied for an ACM Chapter Internet Services Account on behalf
of the Los Angeles chapter of SIGCHI on Sept. 9, 1996, and after
not receiving a reply have enquired twice since then.  We still
have not received even an acknowledgement that the application was
received.

Could someone PLEASE reply regarding the status of our application?
Does ACM no longer provide space for local chapter Web sites under
http://www.acm.org/chapters?

Mr. Perlman, I understand that you maintain the general SIGCHI web
pages.  Could you advise as to what the delay in processing our
application is?

Looking forward to a reply -- any reply.

Sincerely,
Gary Swift
Los Angeles SIGCHI council.

--- forwarded application email follows ----

>From gswift Sun Oct 13 14:34:29 1996
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From: gswift (Gary Swift)
Message-Id: <199610132134.OAA01454@netcom4.netcom.com>
To: chapters@acm.org
Subject: Application for ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
Cc: gswift
Status: RO

Hello,

We submitted the following application for space on the ACM Web server
for the Los Angeles SIGCHI group last September 4.  We have not yet
received any response.

What is the status of our application?

Thanks,
Gary Swift
gswift@netcom.com

---- resend follows ----

>From gswift Wed Sep  4 18:01:11 1996
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From: gswift (Gary Swift)
Message-Id: <199609050101.SAA05920@netcom21.netcom.com>
To: chapters@acm.org
Subject: Application for ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
Cc: gswift
Status: RO


To whom it may concern:

Enclosed is a completed application for an Internet Services
Account for the Los Angeles Chapter of SIGCHI.

Thanks,
Gary Swift
gswift@netcom.com

--------


                            Application for
                 ACM Chapter Internet Services Account

 ACM chapters are provided with disk storage and access to
 certain Internet services (such as the WEB Server). The
 storage can be used for their home pages. There is no charge
 for the storage or for the use of the Internet services. This
 account does not provide any connection capabilities. Access
 to the account can be done via the Internet through a local
 provider.

 ACM currently has two machines, each running a different
 operating system. There is PASCAL running under VMS, and
 TURING, running under UNIX. The storage and services for this
 account will be provided on the TURING machine.

 Application Date:

 Chapter Information
    Chapter Name    : LA SIGCHI
    Address         : 5865 Rolling Rd.
    City            : Woodland Hills
    State           : CA
    Postal Code     : 91367
    Country         : USA
    Phone           : 818 985 2994

 Chapter Information Director:

 In order to expedite the processing of the application and
 start the use of the account, we recommend there be an
 Information Director for the chapter. We expect that the
 Information Director at least have access to email. Access to
 the Internet is also recommended. All interface with ACM and
 the chapter during this application process will be done with
 the Information Director.

 Information Director Name: Gary Swift
 Email Address            : gswift@netcom.com
 Day Phone                : 310 455 3107

 To access the account you will need an ID. This ID must be 8
 characters or less in length.  Please indicate the preferred
 ID for your chapter: lasigchi
                      ------

 Your chapter will be assigned a subdirectory under the
 chapters directory on the TURING machine (http://www.acm.org
 /chapters/xxx). Please indicate
 the preferred name for your subdirectory: lasigchi
                                           ------

 You will be provided a password, some simple instructions to
 manage your files under UNIX and some other instructions.

 To expedite this application, please email to
 chapters@acm.org.

 -----------------------------------------------------

 For official use only:

 Authorization date:

 To: ACM-NS
 Please provide the requested account on the TURING machine.

 Please let us know when the ID is valid, and the password
 assigned. We will inform the chapter and provide them with
 some additional instructions.

 Version date: February 13, 1996




From perlman@oclc.org Mon May 19 18:36:45 1997
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Subject: Re: Application for ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
To: graves@acm.org
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:32:45 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: chapters@acm.org, gswift@netcom.com, perlman@acm.org, instone@acm.org
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This request from 8-9 months ago seems pretty clear
but seems to have not been answered.
Ordinarily, I'd expect such a request to be filled
within a week.  Please expedite it.

If chapters@acm.org is a black hole, into which
requests flow but none ar answered, then something
should change.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> Hello,
> 
> I applied for an ACM Chapter Internet Services Account on behalf
> of the Los Angeles chapter of SIGCHI on Sept. 9, 1996, and after
> not receiving a reply have enquired twice since then.  We still
> have not received even an acknowledgement that the application was
> received.
> 
> Could someone PLEASE reply regarding the status of our application?
> Does ACM no longer provide space for local chapter Web sites under
> http://www.acm.org/chapters?
> 
> Mr. Perlman, I understand that you maintain the general SIGCHI web
> pages.  Could you advise as to what the delay in processing our
> application is?
> 
> Looking forward to a reply -- any reply.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gary Swift
> Los Angeles SIGCHI council.
> 
> --- forwarded application email follows ----
> 
> >From gswift Sun Oct 13 14:34:29 1996
> Return-Path: 
> Received: (from gswift@localhost) by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom)
> 	id OAA01454; Sun, 13 Oct 1996 14:34:27 -0700
> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 14:34:27 -0700
> From: gswift (Gary Swift)
> Message-Id: <199610132134.OAA01454@netcom4.netcom.com>
> To: chapters@acm.org
> Subject: Application for ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
> Cc: gswift
> Status: RO
> 
> Hello,
> 
> We submitted the following application for space on the ACM Web server
> for the Los Angeles SIGCHI group last September 4.  We have not yet
> received any response.
> 
> What is the status of our application?
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Swift
> gswift@netcom.com
> 
> ---- resend follows ----
> 
> >From gswift Wed Sep  4 18:01:11 1996
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> 	id SAA05920; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:01:08 -0700
> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:01:08 -0700
> From: gswift (Gary Swift)
> Message-Id: <199609050101.SAA05920@netcom21.netcom.com>
> To: chapters@acm.org
> Subject: Application for ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
> Cc: gswift
> Status: RO
> 
> 
> To whom it may concern:
> 
> Enclosed is a completed application for an Internet Services
> Account for the Los Angeles Chapter of SIGCHI.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Swift
> gswift@netcom.com
> 
> --------
> 
> 
>                             Application for
>                  ACM Chapter Internet Services Account
> 
>  ACM chapters are provided with disk storage and access to
>  certain Internet services (such as the WEB Server). The
>  storage can be used for their home pages. There is no charge
>  for the storage or for the use of the Internet services. This
>  account does not provide any connection capabilities. Access
>  to the account can be done via the Internet through a local
>  provider.
> 
>  ACM currently has two machines, each running a different
>  operating system. There is PASCAL running under VMS, and
>  TURING, running under UNIX. The storage and services for this
>  account will be provided on the TURING machine.
> 
>  Application Date:
> 
>  Chapter Information
>     Chapter Name    : LA SIGCHI
>     Address         : 5865 Rolling Rd.
>     City            : Woodland Hills
>     State           : CA
>     Postal Code     : 91367
>     Country         : USA
>     Phone           : 818 985 2994
> 
>  Chapter Information Director:
> 
>  In order to expedite the processing of the application and
>  start the use of the account, we recommend there be an
>  Information Director for the chapter. We expect that the
>  Information Director at least have access to email. Access to
>  the Internet is also recommended. All interface with ACM and
>  the chapter during this application process will be done with
>  the Information Director.
> 
>  Information Director Name: Gary Swift
>  Email Address            : gswift@netcom.com
>  Day Phone                : 310 455 3107
> 
>  To access the account you will need an ID. This ID must be 8
>  characters or less in length.  Please indicate the preferred
>  ID for your chapter: lasigchi
>                       ------
> 
>  Your chapter will be assigned a subdirectory under the
>  chapters directory on the TURING machine (http://www.acm.org
>  /chapters/xxx). Please indicate
>  the preferred name for your subdirectory: lasigchi
>                                            ------
> 
>  You will be provided a password, some simple instructions to
>  manage your files under UNIX and some other instructions.
> 
>  To expedite this application, please email to
>  chapters@acm.org.
> 
>  -----------------------------------------------------
> 
>  For official use only:
> 
>  Authorization date:
> 
>  To: ACM-NS
>  Please provide the requested account on the TURING machine.
> 
>  Please let us know when the ID is valid, and the password
>  assigned. We will inform the chapter and provide them with
>  some additional instructions.
> 
>  Version date: February 13, 1996
> 
> 
> 


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From: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN)
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Subject: setup of local SIGCHI chapter account
To: perlman@oclc.org (Gary PERLMAN)
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Oops.  I botched my reply and changed the subject instead of
the cc list.  Here it is again:

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

I suspect that the request got lost between the cracks.
ACM has quite a few logical addresses such as chapters@acm.org,
support@acm.org, and many others.
Sometimes these go to the same people, sometimes very different.
This was one of the "very different" cases,
and your request from last September was apparently never passed
on to support@acm.org, which goes to the people who administer accounts.

To support and chapters:
	Please work out the details of coordinating action on requests,
	if this has not been fixed since last September.

To lasigchi:
	Now that you are online, you should probably sent requests
	to support@acm.org.  You might want to make some mailing
	lists with our state-of-the-art LISTSERV.  For BuckCHI,
	we created:
		buckchi-info     information requests (same recipient as chi-buckchi)
		buckchi-officers elected and other officials
		buckchi-members  members and other people on the mailing list
		buckchi-infodir  alias for the information director
	If you need help making these, I can help, but you could also
	look over the info at www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv in the list
	owner's area.  Eventually, I hope we can have a resource kit
	specifically for the local chapters.

> Re:
> As requested, an account has been created on turing.acm.org
> to support your work on the lasigchi chapter WWW site.
> 
> Thank you, Chris.  I don't understand what the delay was
> re our earlier applications, but your response was quick
> and appreciated.  We now have a couple of pages on
> http://www.acm.org/chapters/lasigchi
> 
> Perhaps you (or Gary?) can make a link to our site on
> http://www.acm.org/chapters/prochap.html under CA for
> LASIGCHI?
> 
> Best regards,
> Gary Swift
> Information Director, LA-SIGCHI
> 
> P.S. THank you too for your reply, Mr. Perlman
> 





From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
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Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
To: support@acm.org
Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
Cc: perlman
Status: RO

SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic publications.

(1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
	/sigchi/bulletin/

(2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
	/sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
	/sigchi/chi96/proceedings/

We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
and when people are accessing the online information.
I have been unable to find the logs.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

From perlman Fri Apr 18 09:28:15 1997
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Subject: Re: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: support@acm.org, clore@acm.org
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I am still waiting for a response to this question.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic publications.
> 
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
> 	/sigchi/bulletin/
> 
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
> 	/sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
> 	/sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
> 
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
> 
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications
> 


From perlman Fri Apr 18 12:53:24 1997
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:53:20 -0400
From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9704181653.AA31312@turing.acm.org>
To: instone
Subject: SIGCIH web pages
Cc: perlman
Status: RO

You may have noticed that I added counters to some of our pages.

/acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/bin/counter.dat
	will give you a summary of the counters
Here are the hits on pages I've been tracking for a we\ek.
2091	sigchi/
408		publications/
99		video/
84		listserv/
61		education/
38		conferences/
24		news/ (I reset this, so it's really 94)

I am after support@acm to find out if and where the http logs exist.

I've been thinking about a reorg of the SIGCHI page
to make some cohesive groups of links.
Right now, there is little organization,
even though I reodered them a while back:

More About SIGCHI                 |general |               |
Membership                        |general |               |
Involvement                       |general |               |
Officers & Committees             |        | organizational|informational
Mailing Lists                     |        | organizational|informational
Local SIGs                        |        | organizational|informational
Conferences                       |        |               |informational
Publications                      |        |               |informational
Education                         |        |               |
Documents, Policies, Procedures   |general |               |informational
Other HCI-related sites           |        |               |informational
What's new at this site?          |general |               |

I think we should have the following sections:
	general
	organizational
	informational
	topical - new, to include: education, kids, webhci, ...
and I propose that we remove:
	what's new - always out of date, arbitrary what gets added
to be replaced by, if anything, something that is generated automatically.

I would be a reuluctant designer, as I am not especially good
at visual presentation.  Do you have any ideas about how
we could get the job done by someone?

I'd do something like:
	* reduce the vertical space to get to useful links
	* put general stuff at the top right of the screen
	* have some simple grouping scheme for other stuff
but I think a graphic designer could do much better.

From perlman Sat Apr 19 13:57:50 1997
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Message-Id: <9704191757.AA18062@turing.acm.org>
Subject: Re: SIGCIH web pages
To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
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I took a stab.
	www.acm.org/sigchi/new.html
It is not formatted the way I would like,
but it is organized the way I would like.
And it is much better on a 640x480 screen
(i.e., it takes up less vertical space).

> You may have noticed that I added counters to some of our pages.
> 
> /acminfo/1/sigs/sigchi/bin/counter.dat
> 	will give you a summary of the counters
> Here are the hits on pages I've been tracking for a we\ek.
> 2091	sigchi/
> 408		publications/
> 99		video/
> 84		listserv/
> 61		education/
> 38		conferences/
> 24		news/ (I reset this, so it's really 94)
> 
> I am after support@acm to find out if and where the http logs exist.
> 
> I've been thinking about a reorg of the SIGCHI page
> to make some cohesive groups of links.
> Right now, there is little organization,
> even though I reodered them a while back:
> 
> More About SIGCHI                 |general |               |
> Membership                        |general |               |
> Involvement                       |general |               |
> Officers & Committees             |        | organizational|informational
> Mailing Lists                     |        | organizational|informational
> Local SIGs                        |        | organizational|informational
> Conferences                       |        |               |informational
> Publications                      |        |               |informational
> Education                         |        |               |
> Documents, Policies, Procedures   |general |               |informational
> Other HCI-related sites           |        |               |informational
> What's new at this site?          |general |               |
> 
> I think we should have the following sections:
> 	general
> 	organizational
> 	informational
> 	topical - new, to include: education, kids, webhci, ...
> and I propose that we remove:
> 	what's new - always out of date, arbitrary what gets added
> to be replaced by, if anything, something that is generated automatically.
> 
> I would be a reuluctant designer, as I am not especially good
> at visual presentation.  Do you have any ideas about how
> we could get the job done by someone?
> 
> I'd do something like:
> 	* reduce the vertical space to get to useful links
> 	* put general stuff at the top right of the screen
> 	* have some simple grouping scheme for other stuff
> but I think a graphic designer could do much better.
> 


From steven@cwi.nl Tue Apr 22 08:22:19 1997
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From: Steven Pemberton 
To: support@acm.org
Cc: mac@acm.org, instone@acm.org, baglio@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
Subject: Web statistics
Status: RO

Hi there,

Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
simultaneously on paper and on the web.

This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
we should continue or not.

I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
page accesses.

Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?

Many thanks.

By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!

Best wishes,

Steven Pemberton
Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin

    Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
    From: Steven Pemberton 
    To: support@acm.org
    Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
    Subject: ACM Search facilities

    Hello,

    I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
    facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)

    I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
    steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
    order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.

    Many thanks!

    Steven Pemberton

From perlman@turing.acm.org Tue Apr 22 09:10:08 1997
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Subject: Re: Web statistics
To: chi-eec@acm.org
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:10:06 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: support@acm.org, mac@acm.org, instone@acm.org, baglio@acm.org,
        perlman@acm.org
In-Reply-To: <9704221224.AA14300=steven@schoener.cwi.nl> from "Steven Pemberton" at Apr 22, 97 02:24:17 pm
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On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
> 
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic publications.
> 
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
> 	/sigchi/bulletin/
> 
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
> 	/sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
> 	/sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
> 
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
> 
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> > 
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> > 
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> > 
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> > 
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> > 
> > Many thanks.
> > 
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> > 
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> > 
> >     Hello,
> > 
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> > 
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> > 
> >     Many thanks!
> > 
> >     Steven Pemberton
> > 
> 

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Sender: ACM SIGCHI Extended Executive Committee Mailing List
              
From: Gary PERLMAN 
Subject:      Re: Web statistics
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              perlman@ACM.ORG
To: CHI-EEC@ACM.ORG
In-Reply-To:  <9704221224.AA14300=steven@schoener.cwi.nl> from "Steven
              Pemberton" at Apr 22, 97 02:24:17 pm
Status: O

On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
>
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic publications.
>
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> >
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> >
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >
> >     Many thanks!
> >
> >     Steven Pemberton
> >
>

From baglio@hq.acm.org Tue Apr 22 10:02:41 1997
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From: Donna Baglio 
To: chi-eec , Gary PERLMAN 
Cc: baglio , instone , mac ,
        perlman , support 
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 09:40:00 PDT
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Gary,

I will be meeting with our Director of MIS to discuss this.  I will update 
you after that meeting.

Donna
 ----------
From: Gary PERLMAN
To: chi-eec
Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM

On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
>
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic 
publications.
>
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> >
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> >
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >
> >     Many thanks!
> >
> >     Steven Pemberton
> >
>

From baglio@hq.acm.org Tue Apr 22 10:50:49 1997
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From: Donna Baglio 
To: chi-eec , Gary PERLMAN 
Cc: baglio , instone , mac ,
        perlman , support 
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 09:40:00 PDT
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Gary,

I will be meeting with our Director of MIS to discuss this.  I will update 
you after that meeting.

Donna
 ----------
From: Gary PERLMAN
To: chi-eec
Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM

On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
>
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic 
publications.
>
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> >
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> >
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >
> >     Many thanks!
> >
> >     Steven Pemberton
> >
>

From baglio@hq.acm.org Tue Apr 22 16:22:54 1997
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From: Donna Baglio 
To: chi-eec , Gary PERLMAN 
Cc: baglio , instone , mac ,
        perlman , support 
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 16:18:00 PDT
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Gray,

Wayne Graves, our Director of MIS is out of the office.  I have left him a 
message regarding this and plan to speak to him tomorrow.  I will update you 
after our meeting.

Donna
 ----------
From: Gary PERLMAN
To: chi-eec
Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM

On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
>
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic 
publications.
>
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> >
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> >
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >
> >     Many thanks!
> >
> >     Steven Pemberton
> >
>

From baglio@hq.acm.org Wed Apr 23 18:03:30 1997
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Cc: baglio , instone , mac ,
        perlman , support 
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Gary,

I have spoken to our Director of MIS regarding your concerns.  He will be 
calling you tomorrow to discuss all the issues you mention in your e-mail.

Donna
 ----------
From: Gary PERLMAN
To: chi-eec
Cc: support; mac; instone; baglio; perlman
Subject: Re: Web statistics
Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 9:10AM

On April 11, I sent the following message to support@acm.org.
I repeated the request on April 18 to support@acm.org and to clore@acm.org.
I am concerned that ACM is not meeting the needs of SIGCHI,
in part because along with the "log problem", ACM has still not
finished set up the HCI Bibliography site, and bugs in the ACM online
catalog did not allow me to place an order for the items I wanted.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> From perlman Fri Apr 11 00:04:44 1997
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:04:43 -0400
> From: Gary PERLMAN 
> Message-Id: <9704110404.AA03097@turing.acm.org>
> To: support@acm.org
> Subject: QUESTION: Where are the HTTP archives?
> Cc: perlman
>
> SIGCHI is currently conducting some experiments on electronic 
publications.
>
> (1) The SIGCHI Bulletin is being published on the Web at:
>       /sigchi/bulletin/
>
> (2) The CHI Conference proceedings are one the web at:
>       /sigchi/chi95/proceedings/
>       /sigchi/chi96/proceedings/
>
> We would like to analyze the HTTP logs to understand how
> and when people are accessing the online information.
> I have been unable to find the logs.
>
> Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

> > Hi there,
> >
> > Since January 1996 we have been publishing the SIGCHI Bulletin
> > simultaneously on paper and on the web.
> >
> > This is a 2 year experiment, and I am required by the ACM Publications
> > Board to write a report at the end of the period to evaluate whether
> > we should continue or not.
> >
> > I would like to prepare a preliminary report for late this Summer, to
> > present to the SIGCHI EC, and therefore will need statistics about web
> > page accesses.
> >
> > Could you please remind me where I can find the access statistics?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > By the way, in February I mailed support@acm.org on a related subject,
> > and don't seem to have had a reply. I include it below. Could you let
> > me know the answer as soon as possible please? Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Steven Pemberton
> > Editor-in-Chief, SIGCHI Bulletin
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 13:24:01 MET
> >     From: Steven Pemberton 
> >     To: support@acm.org
> >     Cc: instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
> >     Subject: ACM Search facilities
> >
> >     Hello,
> >
> >     I am editor of the SIGCHI Bulletin, and I would like to add search
> >     facilities to the Bulletin web site (www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin)
> >
> >     I see that acm.org uses glimpse. Could you please outline to me the
> >     steps I have to go through to use the acm.org glimpse facilities in
> >     order to let users search the SIGCHI Bulletin pages.
> >
> >     Many thanks!
> >
> >     Steven Pemberton
> >
>

From owner-chi-eec@ACM.ORG Thu Apr 24 14:16:51 1997
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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Subject:      ACM Network Services Update
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I just got off the phone with Wayne Graves, who manages ACM's
network services, about several issues of interest to many of us.
Although the list of problem areas is significant,
I think it is remarkable how much the environment has improved,
with the addition of the new web server and listserv, for example.
ACM is hard at work adding new database-based services,
which will address (I hope) some lingering problems,
but we will have to be patient while the new services
are installed (i.e., we might have to do without short-term patches
so that ACM staff has the tie to work on the long-term solutions).

Wayne suggested that if we have a problem that is not being addressed,
that I contact him directly (by phone).  Sometimes, messages to
support@acm.org get lost between staff, and the staff does not
have the resources to install a new tracking system at this time.
If you think a request is not being addressed in a timely manner,
please let me know so that I can try to facilitate.

We discussed the following areas:

HTTP logs:
        We would like to analyze the HTTP access logs
        to understand how people have been using:
                CHI conference proceedings
                SIGCHI Bulletin
                SIGCHI Website
                HCI Bibliography
        ACM HAS been keeping HTTP logs, but not on turing,
        the machine our web site is housed on.
        I told Wayne that we are most interested in
        access information dating back to about March 1996,
        after which the SIGCHI Bulletin went online.
        Wayne is looking into how far back the logs go.
        Wayne said that a daemon would be set up to
        send us log information (e.g., all sigchi entries)
        at some period to be determined (e.g., weekly),
        which we could then analyse with various tools.
        Longer term, that and other information is supposed to
        be placed into a database from which we will
        be able to do ad hoc queries.

Listserv Web Archives:
        The lastest version of LISTSERV features a
        web-based interface to the notebook archives
        we keep for open discussion lists.
        Parts of this are currently being worked on,
        and web-based archive access will then be
        in place for all archived (e.g., open) lists.

Online catalogue
        ACM is revamping the online catalog, and is planning
        on releasing a new generated-from-database catalog
        by mid-summer.  There are bugs in the current ordering
        system and I could not get an order submitted online.
        In the meantime, there is not enough staff to work
        on updates.  ACM recently updated the entries for chi-related
        publications, so they are at least listed.

HCI Bibliography:
        The setup of the HCI Bibliography domain hcibib.org
        at ACM has been rocky, in part because of some historical
        problems with the ACM domain registration.
        We are working on resolving these problems.
        Web access should be set up properly by May 1.
        ftp access is almost set up.
        An email alias, director@hcibib.org, has been set up.

Web Search
        ACM is planning on providing the Oracle ConText system
        for web-based searching, but that will not be in place
        for months.  Some searching capabilities have been set
        up by volunteers, such as glimpse, which might be used
        as a short-term solution.  There is little in the way
        of ACM staff resources to help with ad hoc changes.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

From clore@acm.org Thu Apr 24 15:41:09 1997
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Gary:

A file has been placed under you home directory named "access.sigchi".
This file is a log of all the web hits to "/sigchi" going back to the
middle of february.  It is in the common log format.  There is a log
analyzer from netscape that you might be interested in using.  It is
available on turing at /usr/local/bin/ns_analyze.

Let us know if you have any questions.
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Big file!

How far back can you go?

We'd like to analyze data back to March 1996, but we may only need
it for a short time.  I'd like to know how far back we can go,
and then report that to the people who care, and I'd then get back to you.

> Gary:
> 
> A file has been placed under you home directory named "access.sigchi".
> This file is a log of all the web hits to "/sigchi" going back to the
> middle of february.  It is in the common log format.  There is a log
> analyzer from netscape that you might be interested in using.  It is
> available on turing at /usr/local/bin/ns_analyze.
> 
> Let us know if you have any questions.
> Michael Allen Clore     |"It is unworthy of excellent (people) to lose
>  ACM Network Info Mngr  | hours like slaves in the labor of calculation"
>  Fax/Data: 520-290-4181 |-Baron Gottfried Wilhelm Von Leibniz(1646-1716)
>  Voice: 520-290-4147 Internet: clore@acm.org, http://www.acm.org/~clore 
> 


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Status: RO

Here is the volunteer to help with the CHI web that I mentioned
at BuckCHI.

>From: "James Willock" 
>To: 
>Subject: Renovation of CHI Site
>Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 23:05:33 -0800
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-Priority: 3
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>
>Hello There,
>
>At CHI 97 there was mention of a meeting to revamp the CHI pages.
>
>I am a GUI designer and am interested  in getting involved. Please let me
>know if any decisions have been made or if more meetings are planned.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>James Willock
>

Keith Instone                   http://web.cs.bgsu.edu/instone/
Computer Science Department     instone@cs.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University
Bowling Green, OH 43403 USA



From clore@acm.org Fri May  9 16:33:20 1997
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Gary:

Regarding the WWW log file that I recently provided.  When an end-user
selects an issue of the CHI Bulletin, the web browser is being redirected
to www1.acm.org:82.  Because I provided data from the www.acm.org/ log, you
won't find any (or at least many) hits to the CHI Bulletin.  I just noticed
this today.  We'll have to give you some more log files.  Also, you asked
about going farther back in time,  I'll see what we can do.


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From: Keith Instone 
Subject:      SIGCHI agenda item: online infrastructure
To: CHI-EC@ACM.ORG
Status: RO

I asked Barbee to add this to the agenda for Wednesday's call. You
can read about it here and ask me questions during the call.


As some of you know, I have been hired by SIGCHI to help build
its online infrastructure (Web, email, etc). Since I can only commit
about 8 hours a week to this job, I have restricted myself to helping
CHI 98. They have a lot of immediate needs and tools built for them
can be reused for CHI 99 and beyond.

So far there have been some one-shot tasks, such as building the
CHI 98 web site.

But other jobs have lent themselves to some automation.

When I noticed a problem with all of the CHI 98 mailing lists, I wrote
a small program to correct them for me. Later, I will package these
conference-email-list-management tools together so they can be added
to Gary's arsenal and reused.

I have built a small private Web site for conference volunteers to
access to look up roster information from a "database". The tools I wrote
are primitive but general so they could be reused to automate a SIGCHI
officer directory, for example, until a better solution comes along.

The other big project has been the CHI 98 Reviewer Database. I have the
data from CHI 97 but am rewriting all of the code on acm.org so that
it can live beyond the next conference. Right now it sits within CHI 98
web space and is customized for the next conference (because of a huge
time constraint) but eventually I recommend that it become the "CHI,
the society" reviewer database and used for other things.

There are other examples of things that can be "pulled out" from the
annual conference routine and done at the society level more efficiently.
One is the conference proceedings format, which seems to be re-invented
every year. Making this in various formats for the Web site each year
is a lot of work, plus it becomes confusing when other CHI- sponsored events
refer to the "CHI conference proceedings format". There
is not a central, permanent place for them to point to right now, so they
have to settle for what I have for CHI 98. The CHI 97 site had more formats
in its day, and CHI 96 probably still has its version online, and so on.

That is some of what I have been up to as an employee of SIGCHI. I already told
Gary that I cannot continue to serve in the volunteer "Information Director"
role and will step down as soon as he finds someone else.

Starting in July I will no longer be at BGSU and will be able to spend more
time working for SIGCHI. I won't be able to commit to "full-time" as some
people have asked me to, but I will still be making progress on building
SIGCHI's online infrastructure.

Keith



-----------------------------------------------
Keith Instone             chi98@turing.acm.org
              Online Communications for CHI 98
              http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi98/
-----------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------
Keith Instone             chi98@turing.acm.org
              Online Communications for CHI 98
              http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi98/
-----------------------------------------------

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From: Gary PERLMAN 
Subject:      quick note on Web access
To: CHI-EEC@ACM.ORG
Status: RO

I've been keeping some counters on some of our pages since Mid April.
Here they are in descending order of access:

HITS    FILE                   COMMENTS

6759    sigchi/                our main page
1852    publications/          publications (leading to bulletin & proceedings)
1143    conferences/           conferences (leading to conference info)

a big drop in accesses to the "next tier"

479     hci-sites/             this is our list of lists, we could do more
418     membership/            this page is almost never updated, but gets hits
375     listserv/              info on our maling lists
334     education/             a special interest area LINKED on the main page
299     news/                  how many only read the main page newsbox?
298     video/                 showing our newly remastered videos
263     documents/             people are probably disappointed here
250     cdg/                   curriculum development group report
185     officers/              names and email addresses
160     officers/slate97.html  the online election slate
128     volunteers/            almost never updated
122     news/updated.html      news, organized by when updated
96      sigchi/edwards.html    last minute advertising for the Edwards class
82      documents/bylaws.html  SIGCHI bylaws, linked to the election slate
69      listown/               list owners info
65      kids/                  special interest area NOT LINKED on the main page
52      news/category.html     news, organized by category
30      news/edate.html        news, organized by event date
21      documents/devfund.html SIGCHI development fund

I think some opportunities here, maybe some responsibilities, to put
more into certain pages, such as membership and volunteers and hci-sites,
and perhaps also to promote special interest areas such as education,
kids, and webhci (only the first of which is featured on the home page).
One idea I had was to create a home page with a section devoted to
special interest areas in the hopes of increasing access and interest.
(See: www.acm.org/sigchi/new.html)  Anyone have any other ideas?

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications

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Congratulations to the new officers, and especially to the outgoing
officers (free at last!).  Also thanks to those who stood for election.
Please tell me if and when you want to get off the SIGCHI mailing lists.
Newly-elected officers are not eligible to be removed from SIGCHI lists :-).

I have posted the results on the SIGCHI site, and after
waiting for months for any comments, I put up a new layout.
The new layout puts more at the top of users screens and promotes special
interest areas, so Kids and WebHCI should be getting many more hits.
But like I wrote in the revision log, we can always revert back to
the previous version if people complain.

What with my current ACM activities:
        BuckCHI Chair (don't tell my wife)
        HCI Bibliography
and I think I am about to agree to update the HCI Education survey,
I don't think I would like to try to lessen my activities on the SIGCHI
web site and perhaps on the LISTSERV.  I can continue to serve as the
de facto SIGCHI Email manager, and can maintain the /officers/ and
/listserv/ web pages, but I would not mind passing these on.
I don't know if I can or should continue updating SIGCHI news:
        http://www.acm.org/sigchi/news/
I currently own dozens of SIGCHI mailing lists, and serve as editor
for chi-announcements (for which, you may not know, you should thank me
for redirecting about 20 inappropriate postings so far).
SIGCHI policy has been that all open lists be monitored by
SIGCHI EC folk, and assignment are going to need updating soon.

With two young children (Mark is 4 and George is 7 months tomorrow),
I can't get away for face-to-face EC meetings, so I really can't serve
except in a limited technical role.  Perhaps I can serve as the
SIGCHI Adjunct Chair who read the Listserv manual. :-)
I am writing up a final report for the next VC-Publications,
but that focuses mainly on publications issues, not the Information
Director tasks that I have also been involved in.  Most of my ideas
are outlined in the SIG on Information Infrastructure:
        http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi97/proceedings/sig/gp1.htm
I don't think the Information Director should report to the VC-Pubs,
as it has, and I think it was an historical accident, given the interests
of the past two VC-Pubs (Jacob Nielsen and myself).  The role could
just as easily fit under VC-Communications.  And I think the InfoDir
can serve many VC areas and many Adjunct areas, as noted in:
        http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi97/proceedings/sig/gp1.htm#U8
Given the breadth of application, I think the Information Director
is primarily and should remain a technical position to serve the
SIGCHI EC and EEC, and should report to the Executive-VC.
The role might be split into coordinated sub-areas
(e.g., Website, Listserv, other), but the InfoDir should
be able to serve as a technical liaison between the EC/EEC
and the technical issues (which might be performed by technical
volunteers or staff, as appropriate).  I'm happy to serve as
an email list-owner or web-cobbler volunteer, but I think the EEC
will need a real Information Director to coordinate these
and other SIGCHI information infrastructure (e.g., databases).

This is summarized in the following "graphic":

SIGCHI EEC    Exec-VC     InfoDir      Wizards (web, email, etc)

   goals    facilitator  communicator  bit-twiddlers

So, I'll be around and can show people how things were done
and even explain why.  And I can continue to do things so
we can continue to send email and not have broken HTML on
our web page, and I can probably help out until the dust settles,
like in 23 months or so.

Gary Perlman, ACM SIGCHI Vice-Chair for Publications (outgoing)

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Thought of BuckCHI at the UPA meeting last week. There were quite a few
people from the Cleveland area. Might be fun to organize something together
with them. At the very least, they could be added to the "friends of
BuckCHI" list to get email about hosting the Shneiderman satellite event,
and so on. (unlike CHI, UPA passes out details on each participant, so they
will be easy to contact.)

Anyway, that is not the real reason for the email. I started "working" on
the local SIGs page yesterday under the guise of my SIGCHI employment. That
got me thinking about what you are planning on doing as your
responsibilities wind down, and so on. Do you have a set date when you no
longer want to take responsibility for the SIGCHI site? Not that I want to
take over! But I assume no one else has stepped forward. Do you want to
pass off certain things over time?

I do not know your Pubs replacement very well, so I have not started up a
dialog with him yet. Nor with the new program director (who I guess is my
boss). Have not heard much from the hand-off meeting either.

I might need to come down and visit you in person you want to unload too
much too quickly.

Keith
PS As for BuckCHI web, I am ready to take it all over; just say the word.

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>I am okay on maintaining the SIGCHI lists,
>although I won't be doing any big initiatives.

Definitely, oh listserv guru! Do not abandon us on that.

>Perhaps the most controversial thing I do is
>write what goes into the SIGCHI News box,
>which I updated as I wrote this.
>I've never heard any comments or received any items.

Yes, the news. I have been doing some very minor editing to correct
mistakes and the like. Not much. I have not gone out of my way, tho, since
I knew you were around. Just having you say you won't be around to do
those things would change the way I would have to approach the job.

So I will start small, with just the local sigs area. For now.

>Dan Olsen is responsible, but is happy if someone else does things.
>I advised him to push to cetralize the InfoDir issues to the Chair and in
>particular the Executive Vice Chair.

Thanks.

>> PS As for BuckCHI web, I am ready to take it all over; just say the word.
>
>Let's keep that in limbo.

OK.

Keith

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I made this big report for the EC meeting last week. They talked about it a
little bit, but since it was a budget-focused meeting, they did not address
everything. (I was not invited to the meeting.) Bob Mack as VC Ops is the
point man for these issues; he will be getting in touch with you eventually
to gather more information. Your feedback is welcome, as always.

Keith

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Report on the state of SIGCHI's Online Communications
By Keith Instone
Date: December 9, 1997

This is my report on the state of SIGCHI email and Web services for the
December
1997 Executive Committee meeting. Hopefully this will provide enough
information
to discuss the future of SIGCHI's online communications so that the proper
budget
and other planning can take place.

I use the term "Online Communications" to group together Web services and email
support, both of which are crucial to the successful operation of SIGCHI.

This report was written by me and me alone, as acting Information Director and
the "hired hand" to support SIGCHI's electronic environment. Gary Perlman, past
Vice Chair for Publications and the one volunteer who has done by far the most
for SIGCHI's online communications, was not consulted for this report, mainly
because of time constraints. The Executive Committee would find his view of the
state of SIGCHI's electronic environment equally informative, I believe.

The bulk of this report comes in the form of appendices:

A. Original job description for the hired position
B. Infomation Director job description
C. Email manager job desciption
D. People supporting SIGCHI's online communications
E. My 8-part framework of SIGCHI's needs
F. Recent work WRT the 8-part framework

Each will be introduced as it is mentioned below.

BACKGROUND: UNDERSTANDING THE PAST

I helped ACM develop the position of "Information Director" (ID), a
volunteer who
creates, manages and maintains an organization's online presence. (Some
SIGs are
now using the term "Information Services Director" which is a better indication
of the job duties.) Scooter Morris was SIGCHI's first ID and Scott
Robertson took
over in early 1996, I believe.

But Scott had to quit in late 1996 and Gary Perlman, as Vice Chair for
Publications, took over many of the day-to-day ID repsonsibilities. He also
started writing up job descriptions for the ID and a separate job "Email
Manager".

The Email Manager's first responsibility was the transition from xerox.com to
ACM's Listserver, which Gary did wonderfully. Appendix C is a document from
that
time that outlines what needed to be done. Gary continues to do many of these
duties, even though he is no longer on the EC.

To support Gary's search for a new ID in late 1996, he wrote the ID job
description, Appendix B.  At the end of 1996, I agreed to serve as an
interim ID.
Basically, I was willing to help Gary but did not have the time to take
over the
full responsibilities. I believe Gary agreed simply because some help was
better
than no help, and because of my extensive experience with bits and pieces
of the
SIGCHI online environment (including Hypermedia chair for CHI '95 and CHI 96)
would make the training minimal.

In early 1997, SIGCHI decided to hire a half-time person to help manage and
build
its electronic environment. I agreed to be hired in this position, under the
agreement that I would limit my work to about 8 hours per week for the short
term, and focus on CHI 98 needs, since they were most pressing. I was still
holding down a full-time job at BGSU at the time. I gave myself the job
title of
"CHI 98 Online Communications".

The original job description for the hired position is attached as Appendix A.
Curiously, it never had a job title, so I will refer to it as the "Director of
Online Communications" (DOC) in this report.  The duties listed here correspond
closely with the volunteer duties of the ID, so it was never clear from the
beginning which job was supposed to do what. Since I was also the ID, it
was not
a problem at the time, since the assumption was that Gary and I together would
make sure any problems were handled.

Right after my hiring, I called for a new ID to be found. I was willing to only
stick around until another volunteer could be recruited. But this was right at
the time of elections and finding a new ID was lost in the transition.

In July of this year I left BGSU and was able to devote more time to being DOC.
As small SIGCHI Web and email problems have arisen, either Gary or I have taken
care of them. More of this is detailed in Appendix E, where I try to provide a
framework for understanding SIGCHI's needs in these areas. I have been keeping
track of my work for SIGCHI, in both positions, and present some hourly work
estimates according to the framework in Appendix F.

Another part of understanding SIGCHI's electronic environment is knowing
what the
various volunteers are doing for SIGCHI. Appendix D is my attempt at
reverse-engineering the roles of various people. No such list has ever been
kept
and I have probably missed something or someone as I tried to figure out
what was
going on. The long list of apparently unused accounts that I found is an
indication of this unorganized state of affairs.

WORKING TOWARDS A BETTER FUTURE

I see two major issues that must be addressed by the Executive Committee. I
hope
significant disussions, decisions and other progress can be made at the EC
meeting.

1. The relationship betwen the ID and DOC must be clarified. What is the DOC
responsible for? And the ID? Does the ID oversee the DOC? Does the DOC oversee
other volunteers? And so on.

One of the basic questions that must be answered first is: Is the volunteer
position of Information Director necessary any more? Perhaps the DOC should
replace the ID and do everything that the volunteer used to do.

If there will continue to be an ID, a replacement for me must be found as
soon as
possible.

2. SIGCHI's committment to a hired person should be re-evaluated. After 6
months
on the job, I can give some advice about what else needs to be done. And that
answer is A LOT.

The CHI 98 conference alone is taking up the majority of my time. If I had more
time to devote to being DOC (I have other consulting jobs that I must pursue),
there would be plenty for me to do. The SIGCHI Web site is under-maintained and
in severe need of a major overhaul. There are many large-scale projects
that are
outlined in Appendices B and E that would greatly add to SIGCHI's value to its
members.

SIGCHI is getting by with a slightly-less than half-time DOC and an overworked
volunteer (Gary). A full time person would be kept busy, either by doing
the work
him/herself or by managing more volunteers. Also, if the ID and DOC duties are
merged, some consideration should be made about making this an official ACM
position, where the person is an employee of ACM, perhaps even located at
ACM HQ.
There are many benefits to being located near the SIGCHI Program Director, ACM
Publications, SIG services and other ACM entities.

Although finding a single person to handle the email duties is reasonably easy,
the needs for a top-notch Web site (for both the organization and the
conference)
are quite diverse: content developer, programmer, graphic designer, etc. I have
been able to get by with my wide-ranging set of skills, but the best sites are
done by a variety of people working as a team. If SIGCHI wants to raise the
level
of its Web sites, it should consider hiring a company to take over its Web
presence.

It all has to do with evaluating SIGCHI's online communications and
establishing
how valuable they are.

CONCLUSION

There are many minor details involving SIGCHI's online communications that have
not even been mentioned here. But the two issues raised above must be dealt
with
before the others can be addressed. I hope that the EC make significant
progress
on these issues at their meeting.

One final note: my contract with SIGCHI ends in March of 1998. I will
continue to
devote as much time as I can to CHI 98 needs and other problems as they
arise in
my hired role. But I have not decided what I want to do following that
contract.
So I am eager to hear what comes out of the EC meeting so that I can begin to
discuss my future situation with SIGCHI.

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APPENDIX A: Original Job Description for Hired Position
Date: February, 1997
By Diane Darrow

JOB DESCRIPTION - Support for ACM SIGCHI Electronic Environment

Summary:  ACM SIGCHI has an elaborate electronic environment which is
already operational.  The objective for creating this position is to provide
*regular* support to that environment so that the organization can use this
as a business tool and solidly count on its regular maintenance as well as
updating, when appropriate.

Task Areas:

1.   Email

SIGCHI mailing lists are critical tools for managing communication
among members of the SIGCHI community. Announcements to all members,
conference submissions and reviewing, and committee meetings and
voting are just a few of the activities that take place using SIGCHI
mailing lists.

Each mailing list will have a
maintainer who will be responsible for the accuracy and completeness
of the list. List maintainers will be able to provide welcome files
(e.g., with the list charter) and other files to users. SIGCHI needs
someone to watch over the listserv resource and transfer process and
make sure that the lists are working properly and that the maintainers
and users get the help they need.

Responsibilities would include:
  * providing guidance on effective use of the ACM listserv (i.e.,
    know the listserv documentation)
  * recruiting list maintainers for the open lists (e.g.,
    announcements, educators, etc.)
  * adding and deleting mailing lists from the listserv.
  * adding and deleting mail aliases from lists that do not have
    automatic subscribe/unsubscribe permissions (e.g. the SIGCHI
    executive committee).
  * communicating with mailing list maintainers and users to help them
    do their jobs.
  * responding to mailing list problems and working with ACM to
    correct them.
  * working with the information director to help design Web-based
    tools for mailing list help and management.

2.  Conference Support
a.  creation and maintenance of aliases and email mailing lists.
     - working with Conference Organization
          (including the Conference office for automatic
         updates with roster updates)
b.  Build and maintain Website to support the public needs and to support
the operational needs of the Conference
     1.  Load all promotional pieces including CFP and AP
c.  Collect and provide feedback to organization on suggested improvements
to the electronic
     support environment.
d.  Provide advice about/support to the loading of electronic documents
(Proceedings/Summary)

3.  The organization's Website
All of the above functions...just replace the word "Conference" with
"Organization"
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APPENDIX B: Information Director Job Description
Document date: November 1996
By Gary Perlman
URL: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/infodir.html


ACM SIGCHI Information Director Job Description

The ACM SIGCHI Information Director manages the information at the SIGCHI
Web site. The position is currently open. If you feel that you are qualified
for the position (see below) and are enthusiastic about providing a service
to thousands of SIGCHI members and visitors to the SIGCHI site, please send
email to the interim Information Director infodir_sigchi@acm.org

Table of Contents

   * Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director
   * Desirable Skills
   * Benefits for the Information Director

Responsibilities of the SIGCHI Information Director

General Responsibilities (per ACM)
     Each ACM forum and information service is managed by an appropriate
     Information Director. Maintaining accurate data in a forum or
     information base is the responsibility of the Information Director. An
     Information Director is also responsible for collaborating with the
     ACM-NS (Network Service) Information Project leaders, and other
     Information Directors, to develop new and appropriate forums and
     information services. In addition, an Information Director may act as a
     liaison between his/her constituency and the ACM-NS. (ACM-NS
     Information Project Leaders should now be the ECCC (Electronic
     Community Coordinating Committee) Vice Chair for Information Services.)
Web Administration: WebKeeper
     The SIGCHI web site has been moved to a UNIX server (turing.acm.org)
     and is ready for regular maintenance (updates and additions). This will
     be done by the SIGCHI information director and ACM staff. Maintenance
     will include adding new information, updating old information, and in
     general, keeping the site informative and useful.

     In 1996, we added the Web Crossing (WebX) software for Discussion
     Forums.
Mailing List Administration
     For many years, the SIGCHI mailing lists have been at Xerox PARC (e.g.,
     announcements.chi@xerox.com). This has required considerable work on
     the part of Nick Briggs and Don Patterson. These responsibilities will
     be taken over by the SIGCHI Email Manager, who might be the same person
     as the Information Director.
Future Responsibilities
     The 1995-97 SIGCHI EC is interested in making ACM SIGCHI the center of
     its members' HCI focus, in part by providing useful online information.
     The SIGCHI information director will aid in the installation of the
     following information resources:
        o member directory
        o consultants directory
        o job bank
        o standards resource
        o tools resource (e.g., something like PIGUI, the FAQ on Platform
          Independent Graphical User Interfaces)
More Information
        o More information can be found at the ACM pages for information
          directors: http://www.acm.org/infodir/.
        o The HTTP config file is in: /etc/cern_httpd80.conf
        o The HTTP logs are in: /usr/local/www/logs/raw/cern80/
        o Additionally, the following people are important contacts:
             + Scott Robertson (scottrob@advtech.uswest.com), the previous
               SIGCHI Information Director
             + Gary Perlman (perlman@acm.org), the current SIGCHI Vice-Chair
               for Publications (the SIGCHI information director reports to
               the SIGCHI Executive Committee through the VC-Pubs)
             + Michael Clore (clore@acm.org), the current ACM Network
               Information Manager (the ACM NIM is the person who manages
               the ACM Web server)

Desirable Skills

   * Internet: Having easy telnet access to the ACM server and knowing how
     to transfer files will be critical for maintaining the SIGCHI Web site.
   * UNIX: The SIGCHI Web server is a DEC Ultrix machine. Knowing a UNIX
     editor (vi and emacs are on the ACM machine) will make modifying Web
     pages much easier. The news SIGCHI pages are under RCS revision
     control, so having some knowledge of RCS would be useful.
   * HTML: The SIGCHI Web pages are written in HTML. Good knowledge of forms
     and CGI scripting will be necessary to make use of Web interfaces to
     information. Having knowledge of HTML validation will make life easier
     for the many users of the site. Here are some HTML validation links:
        o http://www.unipress.com/weblint/
        o http://www.halsoft.com/html-val-svc/
        o http://www.khoros.unm.edu/staff/neilb/weblint/validation.html

Benefits for the Information Director

   * A computer account on turing.acm.org.
   * No financial benefits; this is a volunteer position.
   * The gratitude of many SIGCHI members.
   * A SIGCHI ribbon you can wear proudly at SIGCHI conferences
   * It's fun, if you are an information junkie.

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APPENDIX C: Email Manager Job Description
Document date: December 1996
By Gary Perlman
URL: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/mailinglists.html


SIGCHI Email Manager

SIGCHI mailing lists are critical tools for managing communication among
members of the SIGCHI community. Announcements to all members, conference
submissions and reviewing, and committee meetings and voting are just a few
of the activities that take place using SIGCHI mailing lists.

The SIGCHI mailing lists were most recently described in the SIGCHI
Bulletin, 26:2, April 1994
(http://www.acm.org/sigchi/bulletin/1994.2/email.html). The SIGCHI mailing
lists will be moving to the new ACM listserv in late 1996, and all the list
names will change in the process. Along with the changes, there will be
opportunities for improving the quality and quantity of services SIGCHI
provides.

We need a volunteer to manage this process before the lists migrate to the
acm.org server in late 1996. Each mailing list will have a maintainer who
will be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the list. List
maintainers will be able to provide welcome files (e.g., with the list
charter) and other files to users. SIGCHI needs someone to watch over the
listserv resource and transfer process and make sure that the lists are
working properly and that the maintainers and users get the help they need.

Responsibilities would include:

   * providing guidance on effective use of the ACM listserv (i.e., know the
     listserv documentation)
   * recruiting list maintainers for the open lists (e.g., announcements,
     educators, etc.)
   * adding and deleting mailing lists from the listserv.
   * adding and deleting mail aliases from lists that do not have automatic
     subscribe/unsubscribe permissions (e.g. the SIGCHI executive
     committee).
   * communicating with mailing list maintainers and users to help them do
     their jobs.
   * responding to mailing list problems and working with ACM to correct
     them.
   * working with the information director to help design Web-based tools
     for mailing list help and management.

Helpful skills include:

   * access to and facility with internet services. Much of the work will be
     done via email, but the SIGCHI Email Manager may need to use telnet
     access to ACM's UNIX machine (for which UNIX experience would be a
     plus)
   * familiarity with the listserv software at ACM (or a willingness to
     learn it immediately) See: http://www.acm.org/infodir/listserv/.
   * familiarity with the issues related to ACM SIGCHI Mailing Lists:
     http://www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/chiemail.htm (draft plan for moving
     the SIGCHI mailing lists)
     http://www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/email.htm (tables of old and
     proposed list names)

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APPENDIX D. People Supporting SIGCHI's Online Communications
Date: December 9, 1997
By Keith Instone

1. SIGCHI-related Web Accounts on turing.acm.org

Account   Person             Activities
instone   Keith Instone      Acting ID, Web/SIGCHI, CHI '95, CHI 96,
                             Local SIGs
perlman   Gary Perlman       Fill-in ID, BuckCHI local SIG, HCIBib
spguest   Steve Guest        CHI 96 proceedings
eddy      Eddy Boeve         CHI 97 site
steven    Steven Pemberton   CHI 97 proceedings, Bulletin
olson     Gary Olson         DIS 97
chifoo    Jenny Greenleaf    CHIfoo local SIG
mainwar   Scott Mainwaring   CSCW 98
robertso  George Robertson   UIST 97
italychi  Maria F. Costable  ItalyCHI Local SIG
chi98     Keith Instone      CHI 98
trichi    Diane Wilson       TriCHI Local SIG
lasigchi  Gary Swift         LA SIGCHI Local SIG
kenneth   Kenneth Anderson   ToCHI

Accounts found related to SIGCHI but apparently no longer used: scottrob,
chi97,
chi97tec, scooter, raghaven, delaere, chi-loc, tang, fuller, chi-vols, djk.



2. Major Email Management Activities

Richard Anderson: Local SIG email lists
Gary Perlman: many email lists, moderates CHI-ANNOUNCEMENTS, etc
Eddy Boeve: CHI 97 email lists (about to delete them)
Keith Instone: CHI 98 and 99 lists, CHI 98 reviewer database
Steven Pemberton: Bulletin aliases

Several volunteers have smaller list assignments, such as Keith for CHI-Web and
the CHI 98 Student Volunteer Co-Chairs for a few lists they use.

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APPENDIX E. Breakdown of SIGCHI Online Communication Needs
Date: December 9, 1997
By Keith Instone

SIGCHI's online communication needs involve a pair of requirements along
three dimensions: Internal and External, Email and Web, CHI Conference and
SIGCHI
Organization.


INTERNAL VS. EXTERNAL

Internal and External is the audience dimension. The audience of an online
communication resource determines how it is managed and who participates.

Some parts of the electronic environment support communication between
"internal"
people, such as the elected officers, or a conference committee, or perhaps
even
a select group of reviewers. The purpose of these resources are to help
facilitate getting some aspect of work done. These resources will generally be
closed to include only the participants and will not be advertised.

External resources are used to communicate with "outsiders" such as the members
as a whole, anyone in the HCI field, potential reviewers, and so on. Sometimes
the resources are for "advertising" purposes, such as a mailing list of
potential
conference attendees, or for general access like the SIGCHI Web site. Other
external resources are for supporting communication between external audiences,
such as a discussion list. These resources are generally open to the public to
view and or join as they wish.

EMAIL VS. WEB

Email and Web is simply how this communication is implemented. Sometimes
email is
a better communication means, such as when we need to contact reviewers to
remind
them to send in their reviews. Other times the Web is more appropriate,
especially when making long-term resources available for people to browse.

SIGCHI relies heavily on ACM resources for both. ACM's Listserv is used for
a lot
of mailing lists and aliases. Creating a Listserv list involves sending in a
request to ACM support staff. Knowledge of the intricicies of the Listserv are
needed to use appropriate settings for the lists. When errors occur on a list
(such as when one of the list member's email address breaks), Listserv
sends the
list owner a message.

Other email communication has been done with custom scripts on ACM's Unix
machine, turing. Turing acts as our Web server and accounts on it are
created for
various needs, such as SIGCHI conferences that are responsible for the own Web
sites. ACM's Web accounts are used to provide access to internal Web sites.

CONFERENCE VS. ORGANIZATION

CHI Conference and SIGCHI Organization is the main division of who the work is
done for. The amount of work for the annual conference is roughly equivalent to
all of the other SIGCHI work combined. For sake of simplicity, all of the
smaller
conferences, like CSCW ad UIST, are part of "SIGCHI Organization".

The CHI conference has an annual schedule, such as placing the Advance
Program in
January and creating email aliases for the next event in February. Since each
iteration of the conference causes a lot of turnover in the volunteers, it is
important to integrate as much as possible into the conference
infrastrucutre so
that a lot of work does not have to be redone each year. The general model
is to
implement something for a specific conference and then later determine what can
be transferred to the SIGCHI Organization. The first example of this was
the CHI
Conference Publication Format, which has been historically re-invented each
year
but now soon appears on the SIGCHI (not CHI 98) external site.

The SIGCHI Organization needs its electronic environment to support its ongoing
processes and to help keep the organization running smoothly by providing easy,
open, communication between members. One reason that the amount of work by the
Information Director/Director of Online Communications for the SIGCHI
Organization are about the same as for the CHI conference is because many
volunteers take responsibilities for focused aspects of the organization's
electronic environment needs. For example, the Bulletin editor places his own
electronic versions online, the Local SIGs chair manages his own local SIGs
mailing lists, the SIGCHI Email Manager moderates the high-volume public lists,
and each conference is repsonsible for its own Web site and mailing lists. In
this respect, shold act as a manager, to help these volunteers get what
they need
from ACM, to offer advice when needed, and to make sure each of these
pieces fit
in with the larger SIGCHI picture. Someone should also be available to step in
and take over volunteer responsibilities at any time.


8-AREA FRAMEWORK

That gives us 8 areas of responsibilities, each elaborated below with examples
from the current SIGCHI situation.

1. Internal Email for the CHI Conference

There is a conference committee list of all volunteers and staff helping to
organize the CHI conference. Special email lists for Entertainment Domain
assistants, Paper Associate Chairs, and Student Volunteers also exist to help
those groups communicate with each other.

Creating, maintaining and monitoring the mailing lists are all needed. The
mailing lists must be monitored for failed deliveries, which could be just a
one-time occurrence or could be a sign of a serious problem.

2. External Email for the CHI Conference

Each area of the CHI 98 conference team that needs to have contact with
potential
attendees has a "chi98-xxxxx@acm.org" alias that is advertised in the call and
elsewhere. This alias is used to provide a nice interface (rather than using
personal email addresses) and lets pairs of volunteers (such as both Panel
Chairs) be reached at the same time. Since we have been doing this since
CHI '95,
there is now consistency built in, so hopefully regular attendees can guess
at an
email address if they have to.

Note that the main purpose is for external communication, but these aliases are
also handy for a committee member to reach others on the committee.

The CHI 98 Reviewer Database also generates a lot of mail to reviewers. Email
generated from the Reviewer database must be monitored because reviewer email
addresses change or break often.

External email must be designed (named), created, maintained and monitored. The
aliases must be continually monitored for failed deliveries, which could be
just
a one-time occurrence or could be a sign of a serious problem.

3. Internal Web for the CHI Conference

The internal Web for CHI 98 contains contact information (roster) on committee
members and access to the Reviewer Database for technical program chairs.
Various
technical program chairs used the Reviewer Database to match submissions with
reviewers.

The Reviewer Database (written in Perl) has many aspects, one of which is its
internal Web. This is where chairs enter in submission information and find
appropriate reviewers. The Reviewer Database supports generating mailing
lablels
for reviewers and several other aspects of dealing with reviewers, making the
volunteer papers, videos and other chairs job much easier.

Creating and maintaining the internal conference site requires programming and
database skills. Applications at the internal site may have to be developed
from
scratch. Understanding how the conference runs itself is also crucial to
developing a site that supports its operation.

4. External Web for the CHI Conference

The external Web site for the conference includes electronic versions of the
paper documents produced by the conference, such as Call for Participation and
Advance Program. Most of these documents will need to be reworked for the
online
medium and should not just be placed online as a copy of the paper version.

Additional aspects of the CHI 98 Web include a Student Volunteer
Headquarters for
current news on SVs, additional information on submitting to the conference
(such
as a guide to successful video submissions). Other committee members are
responsible for developing the major portion of the content for these
additional
features. For example, the Video Chairs wrote the video guide and this person
formatted it and fit it into the rest of the site.

With the Reviewer Database, potential reviewers can volunteer for various
participation categories. They must provide contact information and rankings of
various topic areas that they wish to review.

A new addition for CHI 98 will be the Conference Planner, a version of the AP
that will allow users to build custom schedules of the conference program. This
will be written in Perl.

Designing, building and maintaining the conference Web sit includes making
inline
versions of paper documents as well as developing additional material for the
site. Working with others (volunteers) to develop the content for the site and
building applications for the external site are both important skills that are
needed.

5. Internal Email for the SIGCHI Organization

The most obvious example of internal email is the CHI-EC list where agenda
items
are sent out and reports delivered in support of the regular meetings of the
Executive Committee. Note that although this list is publicly advertised
(in the
Bulletin, for example), its main purpose is for internal discussion, so that is
why it is placed in this category.

Creating, maintaining and monitoring internal email lists are needed. The
mailing
lists must be monitored for failed deliveries, which could be just a one-time
occurrence or could be a sign of a serious problem.

In cases where volunteers are willing to take responsibility for portions of
internal email management, a manager who oversees the volunteers, helping out
where necessary, and taking over when needed, is required.

6. External Email for the SIGCHI Organization

External email lists include CHI-Announcements, CHI-Education and CHI-Web.
Announcements is a currently a moderated list where each submission must be
approved by a moderator. Most of the other lists are discussion-oriented on a
single topic. All external lists are open to subscription by anyone. Users will
often have trouble signing up for or removing themselves from these lists, so
some assistance for end users will be necessary. For discussion lists, the
content is supposed to be monitored by an EC representeative, but someone must
also monitor the failed deliveries, deleting broken adresses and trying to keep
the lists in decent working order.

Creating, maintaining and monitoring (failures) on the external email lists is
needed. Someone should help users join, leave and use the lists. For moderated
lists, the content should be moderated to insure only approriate message are
sent.

In cases where volunteers are willing to take responsibility for portions of
external email management, someone should act as a manager, overseeing the
volunteers, helping out where necessary, and taking over when needed.

7. Internal Web for the SIGCHI Organization

There is currently no internal Web for SIGCHI. One possibility is a "roster of
VIPs" that contains contact information for the elected officals, adjunct
chairs,
key volunteers, and staff. Another could be groupware software to use for
discussion and holding meetings online. Another could be details of how to
manage
the SIGCHI site and email lists (there are currently versions of this on the
external site).

8. External Web for the SIGCHI Organization

The external site for the organization includes information on SIGCHI and its
various aspects, such as Local SIGs, the Bulletin and conferences. It includes
contact information on the elected officals and adjunct chairs and information
about the external email addresses it manages. The site contains a few "special
interest areas" that focus on special topics of interest to SIGCHI members,
such
as Kids and Computers.

Work needs to be done on designing, building and maintaining the external site.
This means keeping the information and links correct. Additional information
should be added as deemed necessary.

In cases where volunteers are willing to take responsibility for portions
of the
external site, someone should act as a manager, overseeing the volunteers,
helping out where necessary, and taking over when needed.

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====
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====
APPENDIX F: Keith Instone's Work Placed Within Framework
By Keith Instone
Date: December 9, 1997

                          3/97  4/97  5/97  6/97  7/97  8/97  9/97 10/97
11/97 12/97
Conference Internal Email   1     1     1     2     1     2     2     1
2     0
Conference External Email   4     3     6    10     5     8     6     1
5     4
Conference Internal Web     3    13    17    20    20    35    24    10
12     2
Conference External Web    12    10    10    21     8    12    20    14
25     8

SIGCHI     Internal Email   0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0
1     0
SIGCHI     External Email   0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0
0     0
SIGCHI     Internal Web     -     -     -     -     -     -     -     -
-     -
SIGCHI     External Web     0     0     0     0     0     3     1     1
4     0

Work performed both as DOC and ID. In hours.

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Usable Web           +1 419 823-3319 or -1036
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From steven@cwi.nl Mon Jan  5 06:31:58 1998
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To: rianderson@acm.org, instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org, chi-ec@acm.org
Subject: Translations of the SIGCHI Website
Status: RO

Hi all,

Richard Anderson and I have been working on a plan for serving
national language versions of the SIGCHI website according to the
user's domain.

Below is a proposed message to interested parties describing the plan
and calling for translators.

Comments gratefully received.

Best wishes,

Steven Pemberton

Dear friends,

For the last few months we have been working with the SIGCHI Executive
Committee and ACM's Computing Support Staff to develop a plan for
having multi-lingual versions of the SIGCHI web site. This was an
expressed wish of many at the Internationalisation Special Interest
Group at CHI 97, and has also been discussed by SIGCHI's
Internationalisation Working Group which reported in a recent SIGCHI
Bulletin.

This message is to tell you about the plans, and call for volunteers
to translate and manage the different language versions.

THE AIM

What will happen is this. Dependent on the domain that a person comes
from when visiting the SIGCHI home page, a version of the page for
that country will be served. So for instance, the domain ".fr" will
serve a page for France.

In some countries, maybe even most, more than one language is spoken,
and if there are versions of the SIGCHI site in those languages, the
home page will welcome the user, and offer a choice. So someone from
Belgium (.be) will be offered the Dutch and French versions.

Each page will also offer a menu of all languages available, so that
for instance a German speaker working in France can still quickly
reach the German version.

Each home page will warn readers that not all pages may be
translated. If a given page hasn't been translated, the English
version will be served by default.

THE IMPLEMENTATION

For each *language* that there is a translation for, there will be a
directory in the SIGCHI hierarchy: sigchi/it, sigchi/fr, sigchi/de and
so on.

In the first instance this will be just a copy of the English SIGCHI
directory. Volunteers will be free to translate as much or as little
of this as they have time for, although at least the home page will be
translated.

Additionally there will be directories for each *domain* that has
supported languages. Some of these will coincide with the language
versions (such as /it and /fr), some of them will just contain a home
page offering a choice of languages (/be will offer Dutch and French;
/ca will offer English and French). If a domain is not supported, the
standard SIGCHI homepage will be served.

Each domain home page will just be a translation of the SIGCHI home
page, possibly with extra remarks about the translations, the
possibility that not all pages will be translated, and a link to a
local activities page for that domain.

Users will not be aware of different URLs for different versions. Any
given URL will work in the language you have chosen. Each page that
has a different language version will contain a menu offering the
language choice.

THE WORK

What we are looking for is people who are interested in helping us
develop the multi-lingual SIGCHI site, and managing the translation
process for their language. It would be best of course if you had a
group of people who would be willing to help.

The English version of the site will be the master version. We will be
automating it so that when an English page changes, a message with
details of the changes will be emailed to all translators. We would
hope that the changes get translated as quickly as possible.

THE PLAN

In order to get this up and running, we need some versions apart from
the English one! Anyone interested in managing a language version will
get a user account on the SIGCHI machine, and we will create an
initial directory.

In the short term the language versions will only be accessible via a
different URL (for instance http:/www.acm.org/sigchi/it/), but ACM
staff are working on the automatic redirection according to domain,
and we hope that it will be up and running soon.

Please contact us if you would like to get involved!

Richard Anderson and Steven Pemberton

From perlman@turing.acm.org Mon Jan  5 10:05:16 1998
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Subject: Re: Translations of the SIGCHI Website
To: Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl (Steven Pemberton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:05:05 -0500 (EST)
Cc: rianderson@acm.org, instone@acm.org, perlman@acm.org, chi-ec@acm.org
In-Reply-To:  from "Steven Pemberton" at Jan 5, 98 12:30:36 pm
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Some issues you probably have thought about:

At OCLC, we have had a few multilingual versions of web pages,
including some products.  Although the initial translation of
material is expensive and difficult, the maintenance of the
translation has been more of a problem.  That is, the translations
do not keep up with the base version.  In a current project,
making sure people understand the maintenance issues and costs
up front has been an ongoing struggle for me.  But I have been
able to set up a website architecture that at least lets us
localize all changes and not make the same translations
many times over.  I have not been able to convince people
that, given previous maintenance problems, that we need to
prioritize what needs to be translated, so that there is
a procedure to follow when the translations lag behind.
In a volunteer effort, I suspect that translations will
lag behind, sometimes seriously, and that there should be
a plan for when that happens.

Much of the SIGCHI site is seldom updated (and seldom visited).
So some priorities should be easy.  The most visited pages,
which is a little hard to tell because my hit counter has a bug
that loses the count occasionally, are Conferences and
Publications.  Of course, the main page is visited more.
Arguably, Conferences is more important that Publications,
because all the publications are English (videos are less
dependent on language, though).  And arguably, Local-SIGs
is one of the most important to translate.
The News box has the most changing text on the home page,
and since it is generated from a database, some special
provisions would have to be made for translations.

Some pages are generated, and therefore easier to translate
and maintain, at least in the long run: Officers and News,
although I have found it difficult to get anyone to provide
updated content for either of these (Richard and Steven are
notable content providers).  Conferences could be automatically
generated from a database easily, but it would be important,
I think, to have translated pages for CHI conferences,
particularly ones outside Canada and the U.S. (Duh!).

Now to the section in which I offend people...

Can you get log info about what domains are accessing which pages?
Granted, that might change if translated pages were available,
but you might want to focus on more frequently visiting languages,
or base priorities on number of members in various countries.

German might be a lower priority because so many German-speaking
people speak English good (and even correct grammatical errors).

Different dialects can require different translations,
although some translation is prbably better than none.

I fear that little maintenance will be done by volunteers,
except maybe Dutch volunteers, but you never know.  There are
many small companies doing translation; perhaps SIGCHI could
give them a link on every translated page.

> Hi all,
> 
> Richard Anderson and I have been working on a plan for serving
> national language versions of the SIGCHI website according to the
> user's domain.
> 
> Below is a proposed message to interested parties describing the plan
> and calling for translators.
> 
> Comments gratefully received.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Steven Pemberton
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> For the last few months we have been working with the SIGCHI Executive
> Committee and ACM's Computing Support Staff to develop a plan for
> having multi-lingual versions of the SIGCHI web site. This was an
> expressed wish of many at the Internationalisation Special Interest
> Group at CHI 97, and has also been discussed by SIGCHI's
> Internationalisation Working Group which reported in a recent SIGCHI
> Bulletin.
> 
> This message is to tell you about the plans, and call for volunteers
> to translate and manage the different language versions.
> 
> THE AIM
> 
> What will happen is this. Dependent on the domain that a person comes
> from when visiting the SIGCHI home page, a version of the page for
> that country will be served. So for instance, the domain ".fr" will
> serve a page for France.
> 
> In some countries, maybe even most, more than one language is spoken,
> and if there are versions of the SIGCHI site in those languages, the
> home page will welcome the user, and offer a choice. So someone from
> Belgium (.be) will be offered the Dutch and French versions.
> 
> Each page will also offer a menu of all languages available, so that
> for instance a German speaker working in France can still quickly
> reach the German version.
> 
> Each home page will warn readers that not all pages may be
> translated. If a given page hasn't been translated, the English
> version will be served by default.
> 
> THE IMPLEMENTATION
> 
> For each *language* that there is a translation for, there will be a
> directory in the SIGCHI hierarchy: sigchi/it, sigchi/fr, sigchi/de and
> so on.
> 
> In the first instance this will be just a copy of the English SIGCHI
> directory. Volunteers will be free to translate as much or as little
> of this as they have time for, although at least the home page will be
> translated.
> 
> Additionally there will be directories for each *domain* that has
> supported languages. Some of these will coincide with the language
> versions (such as /it and /fr), some of them will just contain a home
> page offering a choice of languages (/be will offer Dutch and French;
> /ca will offer English and French). If a domain is not supported, the
> standard SIGCHI homepage will be served.
> 
> Each domain home page will just be a translation of the SIGCHI home
> page, possibly with extra remarks about the translations, the
> possibility that not all pages will be translated, and a link to a
> local activities page for that domain.
> 
> Users will not be aware of different URLs for different versions. Any
> given URL will work in the language you have chosen. Each page that
> has a different language version will contain a menu offering the
> language choice.
> 
> THE WORK
> 
> What we are looking for is people who are interested in helping us
> develop the multi-lingual SIGCHI site, and managing the translation
> process for their language. It would be best of course if you had a
> group of people who would be willing to help.
> 
> The English version of the site will be the master version. We will be
> automating it so that when an English page changes, a message with
> details of the changes will be emailed to all translators. We would
> hope that the changes get translated as quickly as possible.
> 
> THE PLAN
> 
> In order to get this up and running, we need some versions apart from
> the English one! Anyone interested in managing a language version will
> get a user account on the SIGCHI machine, and we will create an
> initial directory.
> 
> In the short term the language versions will only be accessible via a
> different URL (for instance http:/www.acm.org/sigchi/it/), but ACM
> staff are working on the automatic redirection according to domain,
> and we hope that it will be up and running soon.
> 
> Please contact us if you would like to get involved!
> 
> Richard Anderson and Steven Pemberton
> 


From perlman Mon Mar 30 10:31:39 1998
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Subject: Re: broken images in web directory listings
To: kanthou@hq.acm.org (Haritini Kanthou)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:31:38 -0500 (EST)
Cc: issupport@hq.acm.org, perlman, clore
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The http.conf file for the sigchi server is nt set up correctly.

Load into your browser:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/images/
The page will contain:

Index of /sigs/sigchi/images/

[BROKEN IMAGE] Name     Last modified     Size  Description
----------------------------------------------------------------------
[BROKEN IMAGE] Parent Directory
... (listing of directory

The first broken image is:
	http://www.acm.org/mc-icons/blank.gif
The second broken image is:
	http://www.acm.org/mc-icons/back.gif

The source to the top of the page is:
Index of /sigs/sigchi/images/

      Index of /sigs/sigchi/images/
      

             Name                   Last modified     Size  Description

      
[DIR]  Parent Directory

So, there are references to images in:
	http://www.acm.org/mc-icons/
a directory that does not exist on the acm server.

So the icons for the SIGCHI server (and the chapters/buckchi,
but not for the hcibib.org server) refer to the wrong directory.
I don't know where the sigchi server's http.conf files exist,
but the files like:	
	cern_httpd8001.conf
	cern_httpd81.conf
on turing.acm.org refer to directories that exist:

# Configure Icons for directory listings
#
AddBlankIcon http://www.acm.org/images/icons/blank.gif
AddUnknownIcon http://www.acm.org/images/icons/unknown.gif ???
AddParentIcon http://www.acm.org/images/icons/back.gif  UP
AddDirIcon http://www.acm.org/images/icons/dir.gif DIR


> 
> Gary,
> 
> I am not sure I understand--when I tried the images that
> appear on the page
> 
> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/images/
> 
> all worked.  Can you please clarify which images you are
> trying to access.  Are any of them listed in the toolkit,
> at
> 
> http://www.acm.org/about_acm/toolkit.html
> 
> Please let me know how I can help you.
> 
> Regards,
> Haritini
> webeditor@acm.org
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary PERLMAN [SMTP:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 2:54 PM
> To: issupport
> Cc: instone; clore
> Subject: Re: broken images in web directory listings
> 
> These are not CHI images.  They are ACM images.
> 
> Gary
> 
> > Dear Gary,
> >
> > Shouldn't this be directed to CHI's Info Director, Keith Instone.  I am   
>     
> 
> > copying him on this.
> >
> > William Phillips
> > ACM IS Dept.
> >
> > email: support@acm.org
> > http://www.acm.org
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary PERLMAN [SMTP:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 1998 7:42 PM
> > To: support
> > Subject: broken images in web directory listings
> >
> > When I pull up a directory listing on the ACM site:
> >         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/images/
> > I get some broken images:
> >         http://www.acm.org/mc-icons/back.gif
> >         http://www.acm.org/mc-icons/blank.gif
> >
> 
> 


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My comments and data (your report looks good, btw):

1. Cognitus: altho they do give "lip service" to ease-of-use in their
proposal (last item, no supporting documentation), their speciality is
working with other professional associations (hair surgeons and ambulance
drivers, for example). Unfortunately, their proposal does not elaborate on
what is special about organizations like us or what they know that others
cannot provide. A quote like "we have dealt with volunteer-driven
organizations before and can fit in with your existing volunteer
activities" would have made me wet my pants.

So, I would change "UCD expertise" to "professional organizations" on the
bullet hilite for them. That is their specialty.

2. Diamond Bullet: They have a CHI 98 TUTORIAL, not a paper. It is on web
design, naturally. Also, usability is THE driving force for this company
and they have started a special web site, www.usabilityfirst.com, to
promote it.

So, I would hilite "CHI 98 tutorial, Usability First" for them.

And now some better numbers for your math:

1. SIGCHI site is currently about 30 pages. We have two small databases
(for officers page and news). I would guess that 10 of the pages changes on
a regular (monthly) basis, 20 less often.

The 30 pages does NOT include 2 major things:

--Volunteer-driven pages, like the Special Interest Areas and Bulletin. The
SIAs and other things started up by content-specialist volunteers should
continue to be done by those volunteers, IMHO.

The Bulletin web stuff is BIG. Whether the new editor continues them or
they get put under the vendor umbrella is a big decision.

--Reviewer Volunteer Center is the first big SIGCHI-site application, moved
from the CHI 98 site. It is only 5 pages and 3 CGIs, but the CGIs are
sophisticated (> 2000 lines of Perl). It is built on a 600+ entry database.
It will take me at least another month to get this "cleaned up" for someone
else to take over. AND this is only half of the project: the other half is
part of the "CHI 99 private site", the part where chairs query the database
and match submissions to reviewers.

2. CHI 98 Conference site was about 30 pages at "CFP time". It had 1 simple
CGI form (SVs). At "AP time" is grew by another 50 pages with another form
CGI (housing). Plus the conference program, which is a database of 150
items (sessions), and a CP slicer/dicer/planner CGI (1300 lines of Perl).

About 1/4 of the CHI 98 site changes on a regular basis. All pages changed
at least once during its lifetime. Even an old "papers call" page changed
as different deadlines passed.

As a very rough estimate, I did the 30 CHI 99 "preliminary" CFP pages in
about 25 hours. That was quicker than expected, since I used the CHI 98
templates and re-used A LOT. (I say preliminary because some stuff is
missing, the less important things that can wait until after CHI 98.)

You could use 1 hour per page as a rough estimate, plus about 2 hours of
CGI work to fine-tune the SV form. So 30 HTML hours plus 2 CGI hours could
be a standard cost to compute for each vendor to do the preliminary CHI
conference CFP site. That would be very rough, since that does not include
any graphic or design work (I copied the 98 design) or maintenance, but it
is a start.

The conference private site is yet another part. It is only a few pages,
but a lot of CGI: programs to do the roster (a DB) and many lines of code
for the "reviewer matching" side of the Revieweer Volunteer Center. A LOT
will have to be added for CHI 99, since they have bigger plans than CHI 98
did. But much could also be reused. If *I* am going to do this side for CHI
99, I would re-use my own code, but if a vendor were to take this on as one
of their first big projects, I would recommend they start with my database
but roll their own code. My code on this end is VERY rough; it works, but
is not pretty. I consider it a working prototype to demonstrate
functionality, but not much more than that. I feel lucky that a pototype
worked for CHI 98 but 99 should have better.

That is all I have. See you at CHI.

Keith







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Usable Web           +1 419 823-3319 or -1036
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Keith, I tried to piece together specific work items, especially the database
and cgi programs, which is where I suspect costs are going to accumulate.
I will wait for your comments, and David's regarding tone, etc., and of course
Gerrit's on CHI 99 plans beyond the website basics.

To be clear: I'm not including in the request SIGCHI website, email lists
outside the conference or the Bulletin, as per, I believe, our EC deliberations.

Thanks

Bob

- - - - - - - -  DRAFT OF NOTE BEGINS HERE - - - - - - - - - - -

The SIGCHI executive committee has reviewed your proposal for managing the
SIGCHI electronic infrastructure, and have decided to focus our  professional
services on our mission-critical conference website. The services required are
similar to the original proposal, but more focused. Accordingly,  we would
appreciate from you an estimate based on  requirements for the conference
website.

Our current 1998 conference website is located at
"http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi98/". We anticipate the CHI 99 website (under
construction) to be of similar magnitude and structure. Would you please
estimate the hours and total costs of managing the conference website, given
the following facts about the current 1998 website:

PAGES
1. Initial design 30 pages (up to "Call for Participation")
2. Additional      50 pages (i.e., the conference program, including one or
more Web forms)

About 1/4 of the CHI 98 site pages changed regularly. All pages changed at
least once during the year.

CONTENT
3. Conference committee provided graphic elements to include in the pages as
image files
4. Text content provided by conference committee (including proofing) as text
source files, not in HTML form

DATABASE and CGI PROGRAMMING
5. Conference Committee Operations Website: 100 people.
    Currently we use one  PERL cgi program and a ??? database to store, update
and use these names in email and Web listings.
     The database would be substantially updated, and the cgi program probably
needs to be rewritten.
6. Conference Reviewer Volunteer Center:     600+ people.
    Currently we use three  PERL cgi programs and a ??? database to store,
update and use these names in email and Web listings.
     We would not necessarily expect rewriting these programs, but  the
database would be updated, and there might be some modification of the cgi
program.
7. Conference Student Volunteer registration Web form:
     ??? database and PERL cgi program which can be reused.
8. Conference Attendees Registration and housing Web form:
    Currently a ??? database, and a PERL program that can be reused.
9. Conference Program database: 150 + items
     Currently ??? database, and a PERL  cgi program (1300 lines PERL) that can
be reused.

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Gary, Steven, Keith:

I'm going to call Wayne Graves about SIGCHI's requests to ACM for computer
support, and wanted to make sure my requests are clear. I've summarized the
various requests I know about (with Keith's help). Could you please verify that
I've represented your problems correctly?

The items so far:

1. Statistics on access to on-line SIGCHI Bulletin (need for mandated ACM
reports, among other things)
2. User access to SIGCHI Bulletin as function of membership, needs to be
updated (new issues, SIGCHI members only, old issues, anyone)
3. HCI Bibliography not accessible on hcibib.org (CGI program not running?)
4. Generate searchable email list archives for all SIGCHI.
5. Search HCI Bibliography on non-Turing machine:
     Can ACM do it? Can Gary get access to modify search program?  Can
bibliography be consolidated on Turing?
6  Notification of server problems (e.g., related to LISTSERV)
7. Faster turnaround on giving SIGCHI members access to CHI 99 conference Web
site.

Thanks gentlemen

Bob Mack
914 784-7830

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Looks good to me...

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Looks fine to me. Harry

Gary PERLMAN wrote:
> 
> Tell me what you think of this page generated from the HCI Bibliography.
> 
> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/publications/newindex.html
> 
> Some features:
>         more info
>         updated regularly
>         automated
>         links to more detailed information
> 
> I've done the same sort of thing to several other pages:
>         hci-sites
>         intercultural
>         kids
>         education
> I'd like to release the new page this week, but am happy to
> take suggestions, or just go back into my hole.
> 
> Gary

-- 
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Looks good to me, Gary.

--Cathleen

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Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> Tell me what you think of this page generated from the HCI Bibliography.
>
> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/publications/newindex.html
>
> Some features:
>         more info
>         updated regularly
>         automated
>         links to more detailed information
>
> I've done the same sort of thing to several other pages:
>         hci-sites
>         intercultural
>         kids
>         education
> I'd like to release the new page this week, but am happy to
> take suggestions, or just go back into my hole.
>
> Gary



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Not really, at least not "official" standards. There are links to
guidelines people write up, but you probably already have a handle on
that. Standards agencies put up pages, but they don't put up their
standards documents, since they major source of operating income is
selling the paper documents.

Here's some links, first, accessibility guidelines from TRACE and W3C
are public:

Accessib=
ility
Guidelines for HTML Pages - Vanderheiden
W3C's Accessibility
Guidelines for Web Pages

Here are some general standards references, not specific to HCI, but
about standards bodies themselves:

IISP
ISO
ITU (CCITT)
IEC
ANSI
IEEE
IITF
X3/JTC1 TAG
X3
T1
DISA
AAMI (Medical Systems
Standards)
National Standards Systems Network
World Wide Web Consortium

And here are some HCI specific standards things:

IBM's
Summary of HCI Standards
Summary
of ISO 9241 (IBM Site)
G=FC=
nther
Gediga - The IsoMetrics usability inventory: An operationalization of
ISO 9241/10
ISO 9241
Ergonomic requirements for office work with visual display terminals
(VDTs)
W3C's Accessibility
Guidelines for Web Pages

None of these are all that good. If you find some good links, please
send them to me. I haven't had enough time to do a lot of surfing
lately. Sorry for the dumps out of an html file, it was just easier...

Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>=20
> Do you have a good list of WWW links to HCI standards?
> I'd like to add the category to the hci-sites page:
>         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hci-sites/
>=20
> > Looks fine to me. Harry
> >
> > Gary PERLMAN wrote:
> > >
> > > Tell me what you think of this page generated from the HCI Bibliogr=
aphy.
> > >
> > > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/publications/newindex.html
> > >
> > > Some features:
> > >         more info
> > >         updated regularly
> > >         automated
> > >         links to more detailed information
> > >
> > > I've done the same sort of thing to several other pages:
> > >         hci-sites
> > >         intercultural
> > >         kids
> > >         education
> > > I'd like to release the new page this week, but am happy to
> > > take suggestions, or just go back into my hole.
> > >
> > > Gary
> >
> > --
> > Harry E. Blanchard, PhD -- AT&T Labs
> >      Room 1J-325, 101 Crawfords Corner Rd.,
> >      Holmdel, NJ 07733-3030 USA
> > Phone: (732) 949-9745      FAX: (888) 866-4891
> > Internet: hblanchard@att.com
> >

--=20
Harry E. Blanchard, PhD -- AT&T Labs
     Room 1J-325, 101 Crawfords Corner Rd.,
     Holmdel, NJ 07733-3030 USA
Phone: (732) 949-9745      FAX: (888) 866-4891
Internet: hblanchard@att.com

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I'm about to release a new page:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/intercultural/
to support the chi-intercultural mailing list.
Although the list is archived, it has not been set
up for interactive browsing, like chi-educators:
	http://www.acm.org/archives/chi-educators.html
Having a browsable archive is very valuable,
so valuable that ACM advertises the feature
in promoting its new web site, but I've been
asking for this to be added to some SIGCHI lists
for over a year now.

Other lists for which a browsable archive would be welcome:
	chi-Announcements
	chi-Bibliographic
	chi-II
	chi-Jobs
	chi-Students
	chi-Social-Action
	chi-Intercultural
(I repeated the last one to make sure my original request is not lost).

Gary Perlman, SIGCHI Email Mangler

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I have two infodir requests.

1. Some CHI lists have searchable and browsable archives
	(e.g., chi-kids), but not all main lists.
	Michael Clore knows how to set these up.
	I'd like to see them set up as my stint
	as Email Mangler ends (no, I mean "before").

2. I am using glimpse for BuckCHI site search and
	HCIBIB searches.  The versions of the ACM
	servers are inconsistent and outdated and buggy.
	I'd like to see these updated.
	I've exchanged email with Clore about this too,
	and I think all he needs is for it to be a priority.
	I would be happy to add it to the SIGCHI site,
	maybe with sub-searches for CHI proceedings,
	the Bulletin, and the main CHI site,
	but it would be nice to have the best version.
	My stongest motivation is for the HCIBIB,
	though, as boolean searches do not work right.

Gary

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FYI.

>From: Steven Liu 
>Subject:      Volunteer SIG CHI Information Director position
>X-Cc:         "rlamck@us.ibm.com" 
>To: CHI-EC@ACM.ORG
>
>Bob Mack asked that I introduce myself to SIH CHI executive committee. I
>am very eager to join the SIGCHI Executive Committee as a SIGCHI
>Information Director, especially being involved in the future direction
>and development of its web site. HAUSER Inc., the company I'm currently
>working for, is excited and is willing to support me in this endeavor.
>
>My Vision:
>
>It is unfortunate that although there are many excellent web guideline
>books, I have not yet come across a web site that illustrates and
>combines good interaction and design.  Since, SIGCHI is the leading
>committee in UI research, interaction and design process it should lead
>the growth of this industry. For example, SIGCHI web should be the blue
>print of a good interaction and design process.  To accomplish this
>vision I am proposing that we should employ the "User Centered Design
>Process". Briefly, this process is composed of 5 phases: analysis,
>conceptualize, design, prototype and implementation.  It is my belief
>that the most important foundation to any web site is the analysis that
>is performed before any development takes place. For example, it is
>important to know:
>
>*       The main objectives
>*       Have a statement of purpose
>*       Identify your target audience
>*       Identify the content
>
>I would be honored and delighted to lead this vision and help it to
>fruition.
>
>My Background:
>
>I received my Master of Science degree in Cognitive Systems (December
>'93) and a Bachelor of Science degree in Cognitive Science (June '92) at
>the University Of California at San Diego. Previous to becoming a
>project manager at Hauser, I worked in advanced R&D organizations in
>PepsiCo and AT&T GIS Human Factors Laboratories. Most recently, I was a
>user interaction team leader at PepsiCO's web application POS2000
>project. POS2000 is a tightly integrated system (Hardware & software)
>that support 35,000 PepsiCo restaurant units (Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and
>KFC) worldwide. Created participatory teams that performed UCD (User
>Centered Design) process to analyze, design and prototyped "back of the
>house" web applications.  Documented usability scenarios, usability test
>results, and user interface specifications.
>
>I have published papers in the Human Factors Society and AT&T GIS
>Journals. I am actively involved in numerous organizations, including
>the Association for Computing Machinery's SIGCHI, Human Factors &
>Ergonomics Society, the Society for Information Display, Usability
>Professional Association, the Association for Software Design and ACM
>Multimedia.
>



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Greetings Gary:

Two quick things:

1. I'm appending a note announcing our new SIGCHI Information Director, Steven
Liu. I had included you on the announcement but to the wrong address. Sorry
abou that.

2. Could you please  request a new mailing list be set up, called
CHI-SERVICE-AWARDS with me as moderator? This should be open, and archived if
possible.
 I'll only use the list for a couple of months for soliciting opinions on how
to award SIGCHI volunteers.

Thanks Gary.

Bob Mack
914 784-7830


= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = New Information Director



Robert Mack
09/09/98 11:43 AM
To: Steven@liu.com
cc: Riederman@hq.acm.org, atwood@basit.com, atwood@cis.drexel.edu,
instone@usableweb.com, perlman@turing.acm.com
From: Robert Mack/Watson/IBM @ IBMUS
Subject: SIGCHI Information Director / Your acceptance of the position


Great news Steven!

Thank you for accepting the position.  As I mentioned before, as Chair of the
SIGCHI Executive Committee, Mike Atwood makes the actual  appointment. David
Riederman is ACM Program Director for SIGCHI, and you, David and I will be
working closely together.   Keith Instone and Gary Perlman are former
Information Directors, and still active in key aspects of the SIGCHI electronic
infrastructure.  You and I need to confer, and I will call you in the next
couple of days. In the meantime, please mark your calender for a couple of
important upcoming EC meetings:

1. Sept 28 (MONDAY) EC Conf Call 3:30 EST (~ 1 1/2 hours, and you'll get notice
as we closer on phone number to call, conf call ID, agenda, etc.)
2. Nov  13, 14, 15 is the  Fall Budget Business meeting in Seattle (details
forthcoming) .

In general, as I mentioned in earlier conversations, we have EC conference
calls the last Monday of each month, and three in-person business meetings per
year,
which ACM SIGCHI pays for:  annual CHI conference (Spring),  Summer, and  late
Fall (focus on budget).  You should also be on the CHI-EC mailing list. Over
time, you'll obviosly  figure out what our on-going threads of communication
are about.

I'll tell you more when I call, but please mark your calender with these dates,
and you'll get further instruction.

The other thing I plan to do is invite the other applicants for Information
Director to join you and me in working on SIGCHI electronic infrastructure
issues. I'll copy  you to this note.

Thanks once again on behalf of SIGCHI and the EC for accepting this position.

Talk to you soon.

Bob Mack
Vice Chair, Operations
914 784-7830

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From: Gary PERLMAN 
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Subject: SIGCHI Infodir
To: Steven@liu.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:04:39 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: perlman, rlamck@us.ibm.com, instone@usableweb.com, Riederman@hq.acm.org,
        atwood@basit.com, atwood@cis.drexel.edu
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Greetings Steven,

Please feel free to ask questions.

I probably know the most about the main part of the site,
Keith about the CHI9* directories,
and Steven Pemberton about the Bulletin area.
I am relatively well-versed with glimpse, the
search engine loaded on ACM.ORG machines,
and by virtue of having read the manual,
an expert on listserv.

Some things to keep in mind about the main site:
 * most of the pages use sever-side includes for headers and footers
   (e.g., we can remove the CHI98 button from all pages by changnig one line)
 * the bodies of many pages are generated from flat-file databases
   using shell scripts and similar tools
Some implications are that general design changes should be
made to the "right place" usually defined in a Makefile.
Downloading, editing, and uploading files should be avoided,
unless you want to change procedures, which is up to you.

I have been generating and maintaining the "linkfull" pages:
	officers
	publications
	hci-sites
	education
	intercultrual
	kids
and do most of the updates to the News Box.
Let me know how you want to deal with these.
There are many independent options: 
 * change the format of the headers and footers
 * change the format of the content
 * change the content
 * etc.
These can be addresses independently.

There is a SIGCHI infodir page:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
where some, but not all, information has been kept.
Some of it is way out of date.

> Robert Mack
> 09/09/98 11:43 AM
> To: Steven@liu.com
> cc: Riederman@hq.acm.org, atwood@basit.com, atwood@cis.drexel.edu,
> instone@usableweb.com, perlman@acm.org
> From: Robert Mack/Watson/IBM @ IBMUS
> Subject: SIGCHI Information Director / Your acceptance of the position
> 
> 
> Great news Steven!
> 
> Thank you for accepting the position.  As I mentioned before, as Chair of the
> SIGCHI Executive Committee, Mike Atwood makes the actual  appointment. David
> Riederman is ACM Program Director for SIGCHI, and you, David and I will be
> working closely together.   Keith Instone and Gary Perlman are former
> Information Directors, and still active in key aspects of the SIGCHI electronic
> infrastructure.  You and I need to confer, and I will call you in the next
> couple of days. In the meantime, please mark your calender for a couple of
> important upcoming EC meetings:
> 
> 1. Sept 28 (MONDAY) EC Conf Call 3:30 EST (~ 1 1/2 hours, and you'll get notice
> as we closer on phone number to call, conf call ID, agenda, etc.)
> 2. Nov  13, 14, 15 is the  Fall Budget Business meeting in Seattle (details
> forthcoming) .
> 
> In general, as I mentioned in earlier conversations, we have EC conference
> calls the last Monday of each month, and three in-person business meetings per
> year,
> which ACM SIGCHI pays for:  annual CHI conference (Spring),  Summer, and  late
> Fall (focus on budget).  You should also be on the CHI-EC mailing list. Over
> time, you'll obviosly  figure out what our on-going threads of communication
> are about.
> 
> I'll tell you more when I call, but please mark your calender with these dates,
> and you'll get further instruction.
> 
> The other thing I plan to do is invite the other applicants for Information
> Director to join you and me in working on SIGCHI electronic infrastructure
> issues. I'll copy  you to this note.
> 
> Thanks once again on behalf of SIGCHI and the EC for accepting this position.
> 
> Talk to you soon.
> 
> Bob Mack
> Vice Chair, Operations
> 914 784-7830
> 


From instone@usableweb.com Tue Sep 15 15:22:27 1998
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Status: RO

>I've used netmind for about 6 months to monitor changes in
>a local page.  It's been pretty innocuous.

I used netmind for the first time last week, with hopes of making it
availble to users of Usable Web later.

>It seems that this could be added to parts of the
>SIGCHI site (home, Bulletin, hci-sites, etc.),
>HCIBIB, BuckCHI, usableweb, etc.
>
>Before unleashing it on a bunch of pages,
>I thought we could coordinate how this
>service might be best applied.

Agreed. I have not thought about how it could be best applied. Have you??

Should our new InfoDir be involved? I already set him on the task of
learning the SIGCHI web.

>While on this sort of topic, I have been meaning
>to address the issue of the HCI-VL name,
>which I lost track of.  Did you suggest changing
>the name of HCI-Sites to HCI-VL?  If so, do you
>think it would be a good idea (i.e., what would be
>the benefits)?  HCI-Sites is getting a lot of hits
>on its main page (the only one I track with a counter),
>rivaling the SIGCHI home page with about 1000 hits per week.

A lot are coming from my redirection. Have not analyzed the logs lately,
but I will (got a good stat analyzer for my site). Last time I checked, the
flow thru me was pretty steady: I still have active links to me called
"Launching Pad" so I doubt they will be changing any time soon.

At this point I do not care about a name change. I am happy enough with
sending people to a better place. An advantage would just be to make it
more offical, so the SIGCHI site is listed as the offical site in the WWW
VL listing, etc.

Keith


Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/



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From: "Steve P. Guest" 
To: Gary PERLMAN 
Cc: "Michael J. Tauber" 
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Hi Gary
Just to keep you up to date on this issue.  Plans have gone a little 
astray due to the fact that I was politetly asked to go back to the UK by 
an INS official.  Seems that I broke a small rule that we didn't know 
about.  In the UK I only have our lap-top with me.  It has almost no disk 
space and telephone calls in the UK cost.  So I limit my on-line time.

When the INS process by application to return - then I will be able to get
back on our desktop with more gigabytes then I can use.  Then again I
still seem to fill it up ;-)

So with Michael out of commission also I will get back to this asap.

Funny that some of these faults are so simple.  The whole site was 
checked extensively with a link and HTML verification package before it 
was put up.  Can't understand how these slipped past.  If you feel these 
issues need immediate attention then if Keith could use his checker or 
just patch that would be great.  If he can keep me informed of any 
changes then when I get the archive from Michael I will reflect them there.

Michael is this OK with you also?

Thanks
Steve

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> I think it is likely that the problems are in your archive.
> 
> Keith Instone could fix them in a couple of minutes.
> 
> Gary
> 

Steve P. Guest, CHI 96 Technology Support Chair and CHI 97 Demos Co-Chair
GroupWorks, 15600 NE 8th St #B1-754, Bellevue WA 98008
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From perlman Mon Sep 28 09:32:33 1998
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Subject: Re: SIGCHI Infodir
To: perlman@turing.acm.org (Gary PERLMAN)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:32:29 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: Steven@liu.com, rlamck@us.ibm.com, instone@usableweb.com,
        Riederman@hq.acm.org, atwood@basit.com, atwood@cis.drexel.edu
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When Steven is to become the SIGCHI InfoDir,
 * the alias for infodir_sigchi@acm.org should be updated by ACM staff
 * the mailing list for CHI-AC-Information should be updated (by me?)
 * the officers page should be updated (I can do that)
 * various SIGCHI listservs should be updated (chi-ec, for sure)
Mike, please let people know when the transition is official.

Gary

> Greetings Steven,
> 
> Please feel free to ask questions.
> 
> I probably know the most about the main part of the site,
> Keith about the CHI9* directories,
> and Steven Pemberton about the Bulletin area.
> I am relatively well-versed with glimpse, the
> search engine loaded on ACM.ORG machines,
> and by virtue of having read the manual,
> an expert on listserv.
> 
> Some things to keep in mind about the main site:
>  * most of the pages use sever-side includes for headers and footers
>    (e.g., we can remove the CHI98 button from all pages by changnig one line)
>  * the bodies of many pages are generated from flat-file databases
>    using shell scripts and similar tools
> Some implications are that general design changes should be
> made to the "right place" usually defined in a Makefile.
> Downloading, editing, and uploading files should be avoided,
> unless you want to change procedures, which is up to you.
> 
> I have been generating and maintaining the "linkfull" pages:
> 	officers
> 	publications
> 	hci-sites
> 	education
> 	intercultrual
> 	kids
> and do most of the updates to the News Box.
> Let me know how you want to deal with these.
> There are many independent options: 
>  * change the format of the headers and footers
>  * change the format of the content
>  * change the content
>  * etc.
> These can be addresses independently.
> 
> There is a SIGCHI infodir page:
> 	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
> where some, but not all, information has been kept.
> Some of it is way out of date.
> 
> > Robert Mack
> > 09/09/98 11:43 AM
> > To: Steven@liu.com
> > cc: Riederman@hq.acm.org, atwood@basit.com, atwood@cis.drexel.edu,
> > instone@usableweb.com, perlman@acm.org
> > From: Robert Mack/Watson/IBM @ IBMUS
> > Subject: SIGCHI Information Director / Your acceptance of the position
> > 
> > 
> > Great news Steven!
> > 
> > Thank you for accepting the position.  As I mentioned before, as Chair of the
> > SIGCHI Executive Committee, Mike Atwood makes the actual  appointment. David
> > Riederman is ACM Program Director for SIGCHI, and you, David and I will be
> > working closely together.   Keith Instone and Gary Perlman are former
> > Information Directors, and still active in key aspects of the SIGCHI electronic
> > infrastructure.  You and I need to confer, and I will call you in the next
> > couple of days. In the meantime, please mark your calender for a couple of
> > important upcoming EC meetings:
> > 
> > 1. Sept 28 (MONDAY) EC Conf Call 3:30 EST (~ 1 1/2 hours, and you'll get notice
> > as we closer on phone number to call, conf call ID, agenda, etc.)
> > 2. Nov  13, 14, 15 is the  Fall Budget Business meeting in Seattle (details
> > forthcoming) .
> > 
> > In general, as I mentioned in earlier conversations, we have EC conference
> > calls the last Monday of each month, and three in-person business meetings per
> > year,
> > which ACM SIGCHI pays for:  annual CHI conference (Spring),  Summer, and  late
> > Fall (focus on budget).  You should also be on the CHI-EC mailing list. Over
> > time, you'll obviosly  figure out what our on-going threads of communication
> > are about.
> > 
> > I'll tell you more when I call, but please mark your calender with these dates,
> > and you'll get further instruction.
> > 
> > The other thing I plan to do is invite the other applicants for Information
> > Director to join you and me in working on SIGCHI electronic infrastructure
> > issues. I'll copy  you to this note.
> > 
> > Thanks once again on behalf of SIGCHI and the EC for accepting this position.
> > 
> > Talk to you soon.
> > 
> > Bob Mack
> > Vice Chair, Operations
> > 914 784-7830
> > 
> 
> 


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Status: RO

Seems like time to axe the CHI 98 button on SIGCHI pages. It would be nice
to replace the button with something else. UIST is next month and one
possibility. I think HCI Bib needs more publicity. There could be one
button devoted to next CHI and one button that rotates amoong other things.

The hardest part is making the buttons.

Keith



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From perlman@turing.acm.org Tue Oct  6 11:44:10 1998
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Subject: Re: chi 98 button on sigchi site
To: instone@usableweb.com (Keith Instone)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: perlman@acm.org, infodir_sigchi@acm.org
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Steven, in case you were wondering, the menu at the top of each
page is in include/menu.html, included with SSI.  That's except
for the home page, which does not have a link to itself.

Keith, maybe SIGCHI could have a static conference section:
	CHI CSCW DIS IUI UIST
maybe with space for the date.  See this mockup:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/test.html
Sort of ugly, but maybe a starting point.

As for the HCIBIB, I think it would be good to feature.
The hci-sites page gets about the same traffic,
so that might be a good place for "the site of the month".

PSP is nice for making buttons.

Gary

> Seems like time to axe the CHI 98 button on SIGCHI pages. It would be nice
> to replace the button with something else. UIST is next month and one
> possibility. I think HCI Bib needs more publicity. There could be one
> button devoted to next CHI and one button that rotates amoong other things.
> 
> The hardest part is making the buttons.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
> Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/
> PO Box 7411     BowlingGreen OH 43402
>                 +1 419 823-3319 -1036
> 
> 
> 


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From: Keith Instone 
Subject: turing sigchi group
Cc: infodir_sigchi@acm.org, perlman@acm.org
Status: RO

We need the sigchi group updated in turing's /etc/group.

It is currently:

sigchi:*:68:instone,steven,scooter,perlman,scottrob,raghavan,gmo,olson,chifoo,it
alychi,private98,bobmack,mynatt,chi99,mrivera,sweiss,barish1

and should be:

sigchi:*:68:instone,steven,perlman,bobmack,chi99,barish1,stevenl


TIA.

Keith

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To: Steven Liu 
From: Keith Instone 
Subject: Re: How do you access and make changes to  the SIGCHI server?
Cc: perlman@acm.org
Status: RO

>Could you inform me as to how I can access the SIGCHI web info?  I have
>access to Turing account..

You need to be in the group "sigchi" before you can make any significant
changes. I will ask support@acm.org to add you.

There is some older information available from

http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/

>Would it be possible that I could call you (I need to get some background
>info about the CHI web site as well as how to make changes to it?.
>Please let me know what time would be good for you?

You can try to call me whenever you want (no time is a good time for the
next several weeks, at least) but I will be gone Friday-Sunday this weekend
and most upcoming Mondays and Wednesdays.

Gary Perlman really knows MUCH more about it since he has been doing
day-to-day maintenance of the SIGCHI site for a long time now.

You can call me and I can tell you all I know in about 10 minutes. You
should call Gary when you need more details.

Keith

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From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Oct 22 21:23:22 1998
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Subject: Re: How do you access and make changes to  the SIGCHI server?
To: instone@usableweb.com (Keith Instone)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:23:16 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi Steven,

It would help me help you if I knew what you know about:
	sh/ksh
	make
	rcs
	perl
	HTML
	CGI
	SSI

> >Could you inform me as to how I can access the SIGCHI web info?  I have
> >access to Turing account..
> 
> You need to be in the group "sigchi" before you can make any significant
> changes. I will ask support@acm.org to add you.
> 
> There is some older information available from
> 
> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
> 
> >Would it be possible that I could call you (I need to get some background
> >info about the CHI web site as well as how to make changes to it?.
> >Please let me know what time would be good for you?
> 
> You can try to call me whenever you want (no time is a good time for the
> next several weeks, at least) but I will be gone Friday-Sunday this weekend
> and most upcoming Mondays and Wednesdays.
> 
> Gary Perlman really knows MUCH more about it since he has been doing
> day-to-day maintenance of the SIGCHI site for a long time now.
> 
> You can call me and I can tell you all I know in about 10 minutes. You
> should call Gary when you need more details.
> 
> Keith
> 
> Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
> Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/
> PO Box 7411     BowlingGreen OH 43402
>                 +1 419 823-3319 -1036
> 
> 
> 


From StevenL@hauserdesign.com Fri Oct 23 14:49:23 1998
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Hi Gary,

Thanks for taking sometime out.  As to your questions:   

Sh/ksh:  Are your using Korn shell or Bourne shell.  Its been a long
time since I have heard of these names (back in college).  I remember a
little of it but it should not take long to get up to speed ..
Make :   Basically this is a command to compile
RCS:  Cannot remember what this is?
Perl, CGI: Not familiar with these language
HTML:  Have used it
SSI?  Do not know what this is ??

Gary,  I have a programming background but have not used Perl or CGI.  I
am not sure how extensive you use these language but I am sure I can
pick these languages. Quickly.... 

Hopefully, this well help you to inform me about updating the SIGCHI web
site.... Maybe I should call you??

Thanks 

Steven@liu.com  
  


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Gary PERLMAN [SMTP:perlman@turing.acm.org]
		Sent:	Thursday, October 22, 1998 6:23 PM
		To:	Keith Instone
		Cc:	Steven@liu.com; perlman@acm.org
		Subject:	Re: How do you access and make changes
to  the SIGCHI server?

		Hi Steven,

		It would help me help you if I knew what you know about:
			sh/ksh
			make
			rcs
			perl
			HTML
			CGI
			SSI

		> >Could you inform me as to how I can access the SIGCHI
web info?  I have
		> >access to Turing account..
		> 
		> You need to be in the group "sigchi" before you can
make any significant
		> changes. I will ask support@acm.org to add you.
		> 
		> There is some older information available from
		> 
		> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
		> 
		> >Would it be possible that I could call you (I need to
get some background
		> >info about the CHI web site as well as how to make
changes to it?.
		> >Please let me know what time would be good for you?
		> 
		> You can try to call me whenever you want (no time is a
good time for the
		> next several weeks, at least) but I will be gone
Friday-Sunday this weekend
		> and most upcoming Mondays and Wednesdays.
		> 
		> Gary Perlman really knows MUCH more about it since he
has been doing
		> day-to-day maintenance of the SIGCHI site for a long
time now.
		> 
		> You can call me and I can tell you all I know in about
10 minutes. You
		> should call Gary when you need more details.
		> 
		> Keith
		> 
		> Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
		> Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/
		> PO Box 7411     BowlingGreen OH 43402
		>                 +1 419 823-3319 -1036
		> 
		> 
		> 
		

From perlman Mon Oct 26 16:36:02 1998
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To: StevenL@hauserdesign.com (Steven Liu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:35:59 -0500 (EST)
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> Thanks for taking sometime out.  As to your questions:   
> 
> Sh/ksh:  Are your using Korn shell or Bourne shell.  Its been a long
> time since I have heard of these names (back in college).  I remember a
> little of it but it should not take long to get up to speed ..

We usually use ksh for scripts.  I don't think there is much csh.

> Make :   Basically this is a command to compile

It's more than that.  It uses file timestamps and depencies in
"makefile"s to determine if a "target" needs to be updated.
It's used a lot of the site to update pages based on database
files (usually flat-file databases).

> RCS:  Cannot remember what this is?

Revision control system.  Most files are under revision control.
To make a change, you check out a file and lock it:
	co -l news.db
make your changes and update the site:
	make
and check the file back in when yo are done:
	ci news.db
	co news.db # checks out a read-only copy

> Perl, CGI: Not familiar with these language

CGI is the protocol for running scripts such as forms.
Perl is the most common scripting language used for CGI scripts.
It combines all of shell, sed, awk, grep, kitchen sink, etc.

> HTML:  Have used it
> SSI?  Do not know what this is ??

SSI = Server Side Includes.
They allow including HTML "comments" that do things on the server side,
such as include files (e.g., a common menu on each screen), timestamps
(e.g., last modified) and calls to programs (e.g., access counters).

> Gary,  I have a programming background but have not used Perl or CGI.  I
> am not sure how extensive you use these language but I am sure I can
> pick these languages. Quickly.... 

Also perhaps relevant is glimpse, which searches hierarchies of files
by building an index first.

Maybe the easiest way is for you to indicate what you want done
and I can suggest what steps to do to do it (rather than me make
the change).  That way, you can focus on what you want to do
and not be constrained by how it was done or could be done.

Suggested reading: O'Reilly's Webmaster in a Nutshell (with CD-ROM).

> Hopefully, this well help you to inform me about updating the SIGCHI web
> site.... Maybe I should call you??

From perlman Tue Oct 27 20:39:14 1998
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Subject: Re: Need to get in touch with you...
To: StevenL@hauserdesign.com (Steven Liu)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:39:10 -0500 (EST)
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I assume you meant 12:00pm (i.e., noon).

Webmaster in a Nutshell is a good reference,
but you may want more detailed books.
I like the O'Reilly books in general.

To change the volunteers page:

I went to the volunteers directory:
	/acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/volunteers/
The file to change is index.html.
Keith seems to have left it writable since May 3, 1998.
I locked the file:
	rcs -l index.html
so I could check in a copy of the file into index.html,v
in the RCS directory.  You can view the revision log:
	rlog index.html
You should be able to check out a writable copy by locking it:
	co -l index.html
During that time, no one else can make changes
(not that anyone would).

I looked for a makefile (and Makefile) to see if
index.html was generated.  Also, there were no
comments in the file indication generation,
so I assume the file is hand-cobbled.

turing has both vi and emacs for editing files.
I noticed that you are set up with /bin/sh as your shell!
First, run:
	/usr/bin/chsh
to change your login shell.  turing has /bin/ksh and
/bin/tcsh (csh with editing).  Then, I suggest adding:
	/acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/bin/
to your path.  I'll refer to this directory as $CHI/bin/.

To remove the InfoDir item, delete lines 21
and lines 122-129 in index.html.

The bottom of the file includes the hand-modified
modification date.  This is not a good idea.
It should be replaced with a standard footer:
Run this:
	$CHI/bin/pagefooter volunteers/ index.html
That will include SSI stuff to add a modification date and counter.

When you are done.  Check in the file to remove the lock.
	ci -u index.html
(Run:
	man ci
to read the manual entry).  The file will now be read only.

Okay, how about mess ups?  First, editing a live file that
people can grab on the web is probably a bad idea.
Once you check our index.html, copy it to myindex.html
and edit that.  You would access it with the URL:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/volunteers/myindex.html
(The Web server automatically looks for index.html,
so the index.html name is not needed).  When you are happy
with myindex.html, copy it over to index.html and check it in.

Mangled a file?  Do an rlog on the file and find the revision number
of the "best" version.  Then check out that version:
	co -r1.6 index.html
and you are back to where you started.

> Hi Gary,
> 
> I will try to call you around 1:00 am (PST) (3:00 EST) ...... For now I
> guess hands on training will do till I get "Webmaster in a nutshell". 
> Could you inform me as to how to remove the item about "Information
> Director" from the website: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/volunteers/
>  
> I'll try to get this done before I call you..
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Steven@liu.com
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	Gary PERLMAN [SMTP:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> 	Sent:	Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:50 AM
> 	To:	StevenL@hauserdesign.com
> 	Subject:	Re: Need to get in touch with you...
> 
> 	I leave to pick up kids at 5pm EST (2pm PST).
> 	My schedule tomorrow is pretty open.
> 
> 	Gary PERLMAN, OCLC Online Computer Library Center
> 	6565 Frantz Road,  Dublin, Ohio  43017  USA
> 	Voice: +1-614-761-5058  Fax: +1-614-793-0915
> 	perlman@acm.org  http://www.acm.org/~perlman/
> 
> 	> Hi Gary,
> 	> 
> 	> Can I call you either today around 3:00 pm (PST)?  IF that is
> not
> 	> appropriate please give me a time I could call you...  I also
> need your
> 	> phone #?
> 	> 
> 	> Thanks 
> 	> 
> 	> Steven@LIU.COM  
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	> 	From:	Gary PERLMAN [SMTP:perlman@turing.acm.org]
> 	> 	Sent:	Monday, October 26, 1998 1:25 PM
> 	> 	To:	StevenL@hauserdesign.com
> 	> 	Subject:	Re: Need to get in touch with you...
> 	> 
> 	> 	Sure.  When?
> 	> 
> 	> 	> Hi Gary,
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 	> Would it be possible if I could teleconference with
> you for
> 	> about 10 -
> 	> 	> 15 minutes.  I need to know how to make changes to the
> general
> 	> web-site.
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 	> Thanks in advance
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 	> Steven@liu.com
> 	> 	> 
> 	> 
> 


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>To: infodir_sigchi@acm.org, Keith Instone 

(Just infodir_sigchi@acm.org is sufficient, since I still get email to that
address.)

> 1) add the missing blue dots to the map;

I am now downloading a graphics editor for my new kick-arse Mac, one of the
last things to transition after a recent upgrade. So I will be able to add
dots soon.

>> 2) add "January 99: Starting a SIGCHI Local Group in the Netherlands
>    (upcoming)" to the top of the list of local sigs Bulletin columns;
>
> 3) change the ToRCHI URL to www.torchi.org;
>
> 4) add a link to ConnCHI's website at www.engr.uconn.edu/SIGCHI;

Done.

> 5) let me know whether I should still request the local sig aliases myself
>    (as asked via recent email) and help local sigs with problems they have
>    getting a response from ACM support (as asked via email from Roger
>    Tilson that I forwarded to you recently).

>I am wondering whether my requests to ACM for information aliases for local
>sigs should be handled now -- or at some future time -- by the Information
>Director.  ????  If so, I suspect the requested headers will need to change
>abit, yes?  (I am soon to request new aliases for prospective chapters in
>Austria and Michigan.)

That depends on how comfortable Steven L is with the listserv stuff. You
are always welcome to forward problems with ACM (like disk space) to the
Information Director and we will try to assist whoever is in need. ACM does
not necessarily listen any better to us than you, tho. If it gets out of
hand, we call in the "big troops", Bob Mack and he tries to shake things up.

I would definitely remove ME from the local SIG mailing list header and add
Steven as either

Steven Liu 

or

Steven Liu 

(whichever he prefers).

One final note: the local SIGs page is now editing like most other SIGCHI
pages (with RCS), so whenever someone else wants to take over maintenance,
I will give way.

Keith


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Well I've been waiting for some deep insight about Keith's suggestion on my
part, but it hasn't arrived yet so I'll simply that say I agree with Gary
that it's probably going to be hard to drum up interest on what the SIGCHI
Web site should be via a forum like Keith suggested. I attended Gary's SIG
one year and it was not well attended indeed.  I would add to Gary's  point
that I think need drives innovation. We're going to be adding some pages
relating to awards and "tutorials to go" program for local SIGs neither of
which will be innovative, but both of which serve a need, and should
reinforce SIGCHI's Website as a place visit and benefit from. I think doing
more to support local SIGs on the Web is a leverage point, and I think we
could target these groups for suggestions. SIGCHI business meetings lately
have been held in places where we can visit local SIG folks, and we learn a
lot from them about how SIGCHI might support them.

We might also consider a booth at CHI 99, with some kind of hook into the
issue "How could the SIGCHI elec infrastructure work
better for you". I manned the SIGCHI booth and it was sort of wimpy. We
could beef it up, and focus in on some issues like the Web site.  I'm about
to shoot a note off to someone asking about improving the SIGCHI booth, and
if you have thoughts on doing something here vis a vis the infrastructure,
let me know.

I do think we have a special opportunity to stage a conference event along
lines Keith suggests for CHI 2000, especially if we become a society. The
Web site will change as will a lot of other things about SIGCHI, and I
think we have an opportunity  to piggyback on that.  CHI 2000  sounds like
a long way off, but it's not. With longer time to plan we could consider
something more formal like a workshop,  and a theme like "using the Web to
facilitate technical and social networking of HCI professionals" (or some
such). Maybe we can get Jared (and Jakob) with us rather than competing.
I'd be willing to work on this, with more lead time.

Keith, are you getting much from the CHI-WEB email list? (I tried to
subscribe, but something happened, and I'll try again).

That's my two cents. Thanks Keith for raising the issue.  I'll chew on it
some more.

Bob Mack




Gary PERLMAN  on 11/23/98 02:29:10 PM

To:   instone@usableweb.com (Keith Instone)
cc:   bobmack@acm.org, perlman@acm.org, infodir_sigchi@acm.org (bcc: Robert
      Mack/Watson/IBM)
Subject:  Re: SIGCHI electronic services SIG at CHI 99?





It might not have been popular because it was not of interest.

I recall it was very funny when some people came in in 97 and
we welcomed them enthusiastically only to find out they were
looking for chairs to bring into Jared's room.

I think, realistically, that we will need to wait for people
to say "I wish there was osme way to have a web page or start a
discussion list." and chime in then.

I've come to the conclusion that having infrastructure to
promote infrastructure is not time well spent.

What has worked out well is to attend SIGs of interest and
to suggest making use of infrastructure to the organizers.
This has resulted in the CHI intercultural page and the
partial resurrection of the associated listserv.  The kids
page and list have also benefited.

> Bob, Gary, Steven L:
>
> It is time to start thinking about some sort of SIG at CHI 99 about
SIGCHI
> electronic infrastructure: web site, mailing lists, etc. Gary and I did
one
> for CHI 97
>
> http://www.acm.org/sigchi/chi97/proceedings/sig/gp1.htm
>
> but it was not popular because Jared Spool was across the hall. )^:
>
> I certainly do not have the time to lead any such effort to organize a
SIG,
> but I would be willing to contribute where I can (like a short piece on
how
> the web  is being used to recruit reviewers and match with submissions,
and
> what HFES ITG is up to wrt CHI-WEB).
>
> So, if one or more of you want to take the lead, I will follow.
Otherwise,
> I won't bring it up again. All of the "real" SIG slots filled up for CHI
> 98, so I would not assume something decent could be organized off the
cuff
> at the last minute.
>
> Keith
>
> Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
> Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/
> PO Box 7411     BowlingGreen OH 43402
>                 +1 419 823-3319 -1036
>
>
>






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Subject: Re: FW: steven to-do
To: Steven@liu.com
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:26:01 -0500 (EST)
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First, I apologize for the inconsistency of the procedures.
A good rul is that files are under revision control,
and that target files are build with make, which
uses makefiles.  So you need to look at the makefile.
The first item is usually the thing that you want
to do, so you just type make in the news directory
and everything should update.
	cd news
	make
Some makefiles have comments in them that explain things.
The makefiles should also be under revision control.

Oh yes, to make an item show up on top, note that
they are sorted by the update field.  Or you
can use blinking to see how much hate mail it can generate
(just kidding, but I wonder how much it would).

Don't forget to check the files back in:
	ci -u news.db
checks it in, but keeps a read-only version checked out.
Keeping a version checked out is very important for the
html files so that people can continue to read them.

If you want to own a file, and it is not locked out by someone else,
try using "makemine"
	/acminfo/2/sigs/sigchi/bin/makemine files
will do some tricks (move, copy, delete) to make the file yours.
If a file is locked by someone else, you might need to use RCS.
	rcs -u file
should release the lock someone has on the file (I think).

Right now, I am not doing very much for the site.
When news expires, I try to keep some thinks there active
so that there is a reason to go to the page.
I only get occasional requests for how to use listserv.
It's a stream of consciousness sort of thing for me;
I get over 100 emails with content a day + 25-50 junk
that gets filtered out.  I cobble the HCIBIB every day
or so, so I am often on turing.  So, it's not a burden.
If you want me to NOT do something on the site, please
let me know.  

Did you want to make the site searchable?  See:
	http://www.acm.org/chapters/buckchi/
That was my first glimpse application; I could do better,
but the BuckCHI site is not really worth it.

Maybe I should go around the site and add comments to the makefiles.

> Hi Gary,
> 
> Gary could you inform me if there is anything that you would like to stop
> doing for the SIGCHI electronic infrastructure?  Please read the attached
> email from David…  Although I am a little comfortable I might need some
> assistance (if you do not mind it).
> 
> Gary, I looked at the SIGCHI news.db and changed the Salary Survey to
> active.  What do I need to do to activate (refresh) the database to display
> it on the web? There is a lot of people who would like to look at the
> survey…..
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> Steven Liu
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Riederman [mailto:riederman@hq.acm.org]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:02 PM
> To:	'Steven Liu'
> Subject:	RE: steven to-do
> 
> Steven,
> Please let me know once you've had an opportunity to check w/ Gary.
> Thanks,
> David
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Steven Liu [SMTP:Steven@liu.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:29 PM
> > To:	'David Riederman'; 'Steven Liu'
> > Cc:	'Robert Mack'
> > Subject:	RE: steven to-do
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I thought I was doing most  of it.. I already spoke to Keith and he has
> already removed his name from the infodir role.  I still need to ask Gary
> what he would like to stop doing?
> >
> > Any other questions please let me know
> >
> > Steven Liu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	David Riederman [SMTP:riederman@hq.acm.org]
> > Sent:	Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:46 AM
> > To:	'Steven Liu'
> > Cc:	'Robert Mack'
> > Subject:	FW: steven to-do
> >
> > Steven,
> >
> > Please let me know if you are comfortable taking over these
> responsibilities from Keith at this time.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Keith Instone [SMTP:instone@usableweb.com]
> > > Sent:	Friday, December 18, 1998 9:12 AM
> > > To:	David Riederman
> > > Subject:	steven to-do
> > >
> > > Things I am still doing that Steven L is welcome to take over at any
> time:
> > >
> > > 1. Owner and maintainer of the EC and EEC lists. I am still on them to
> > > watch out for problems.
> > >
> > > 2. Maintain the Local SIGs web page. Richard sends in updates about once
> a
> > > month.
> > >
> > > 3. Answer info_dir email! Email that comes in from the web site either
> has
> > > to be answered directly (often involving some research) or else
> forwarded
> > > on to an appropriate person to deal with it.
> > >
> > > 4. Ask Gary Perlman about stuff he wants to stop doing. Gary does a lot
> > > more than I! I do the local SIGs page by myself but Gary and I share
> > > responsiblity on many other pages.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith Instone   instone@usableweb.com
> > > Usable Web      http://usableweb.com/
> > > PO Box 7411     BowlingGreen OH 43402
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Here it is again, with Steven Pemberton's correct email address.

I set up a glimpse search of the SIGCHI site.

The 30-minute attempt is at:

	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/gs.cgi

It indexes over 4000 files / 121 megabytes.
Indexing takes about 3 minutes of CPU time.

It comes back with a list of pages that match.
It goes into those pages, looking for the
page title to display.  Here is a search to try:
	international;market
or if you prefer to click:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/gs.cgi?terms=international;market
I tried searching for "the" and it did not come back after a minute.
"Usability" took about a minute to come back with 981 files.
"usability;cost;benefit" cam back with 23 files in 2 seconds.
"Gary Perlman" came back in 4 seconds with 95 files.
"pemberton" gets 306 files in 3 seconds
"instone" gets gets 285 files in 4 seconds

There are lots of obvious options:
	limit to proceedings (only 1995-1997 is fully online)
	limit to bulletin
	limit to top level pages

It was harder than I anticipated.
The site has a lot of history on it.
There are working/temporary/private files
all over the place for various reasons.
Some of these just contain noise.
Some might be private data, not properly
protected (i.e., SIGCHI-only files should
not be world-readable).

I tried to filter out most inappropriate files.
The following patterns stop a file or directory from
being indexed.
	/RCS/
	.cgi
	.ksh
	.pl
	/db
	/include/
	/private/
	/$glimpsedir/
	/review/
	/reviews/
	/reviewers/
	/submissions/
	/OLD*
	/old*
	/save
	/webx/
	/CMC/
	/EC/
	/Temp*
	/temp*
	/tmp*
	*~
	*.gif
	*.jpg
	*.rtf
	*.dic
	*.txt
	*,v
	/webhci.old/
	/masse/
	/pwd*
	/CHI99OLDSITE/
	/bin/
	/cache/
	/chi97crash/
	/log/
	/logp/
	/log-plan/
	/sld*
	/survey/
	/evolution/
	/chivas/
	/.xvpics/
	/data/
	/data2/

The search has some bugs that make some searches fail.
I looked for Steven Pemberton's article "Flags are Not
Languages", and this is what happened:
	pemberton;flags -> no hits
	flags;languages -> 4 hits, all appropriate
I think it's in how I set up the indexing or the search
script, but I think it can be fixed.

Along with the file protection issue
and the issue of the bug in the script,
there is the glimpse search syntax:
	;	AND
	,	OR
	.	ANY CHAR
I've never found a good solution,
but we could replace spaces with ";"
to convert adjacency to AND.

If we get another search tool,
someone would need to set it up and maintain it,
and we would still have the inapprpriate file access issue.
I would expect that we would not have a search on the site
for a year or more if we wait for something better.
	"The best is the enemy of the good" - Voltaire

The indexing script is gi.ksh and the search script is gs.cgi,
both in te SIGCHI home directory.

Gary



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I noticed that the counter for the SIGCHI home page is no longer registering.
Then I noticed that you had edited the page on Sunday:

revision 1.5
date: 2000/08/06 20:03:53;  author: coyote;  state: Exp;  lines: +239 -137
Added the Chi Achevment and Awards link to the General information Area

The entry means that you added 239 lines and deleted 137.
This is impressive, because the file started at about 140 lines.
Then I noticed that the font size changes on the page were lost.

Apparently, you are using an HTML editor (Netscape 4.73) that changes
a lot that should not change.

Then, I just realized that you edited the output file instead of the source.
The source has many references to server-side includes, which are dynamic.
These have been replaced by the values at the time you edited the output.
I thought we discussed this on the phone -- never edit the output,
only the source.

I rolled out your changes.  And I added the link to the awards,
although with a link to them in the news, and a link to them
from the Documents page, I think it might be overkill.
The added link did not have a title attribute like the other links.
(Netscape, does not handle most HTML 4.0 tags used for accessibility;
okay, it doesn't handle any.)

So, I suggest you edit the real source files, not the files
we served after SSI, and perhaps get an HTML editor that does
not modify all the HTML without asking.

Or, if you have a one line change like this, ask me to do it
for you.  It could save us both some time.

Gary

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Hi Gary:

Hope springs eternal.

Stephen and I are going to visit ACM HQ and talk to Wayne Graves about a
wide-ranging set of IS support issues for SIGCHI. We would welcome your
participation if you can manage it. You can join us in person, and SIGCHI
will pay your travel expenses, or if you want to teleconference in, we can
do that as well.

We're undertaking an assessment of the SIGCHI Web site infrastructure
needs, and either ACM will  support us, or we'll bite the bullet (diamond
or otherwise) and build what we need. I know you've conveyed your
requirements before, and here we go again, but if you'd like to join us,
we'd welcome your support.

We are aiming to do this the last week in August (week beginning the 28th),
although we have not confirmed with ACM yet. If you can't make it sometime
during that week, and feel strongly that you want to participate, we'll
look for another time, but Stephen and I are hoping to determine what ACM
can do sooner than later, so we can make plans to pursue it or find another
solution.  We have not confirmed what day this week is good for ACM, but
thought we'd pin ourselves down first.

If you want to discuss this by phone, please tell me a good time to call
you.

We also plan to compile a list of issues, and circulate them amongst the
EC, so you should see this soon.

Thanks

Bob Mack
SIGCHI Vice Chair Operations
IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
30 Saw Mill River Road
Hawthorne, NY 10532
914 784-7830  (phone)
914 784-6307  (fax)



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Gary:

Thanks for the walkthrough of tasks and tools! It was extremely useful (as
always), and your continuing help for SIGCHI is appreciated.

Regards,

Bob Mack
SIGCHI Vice Chair Operations
IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
30 Saw Mill River Road
Hawthorne, NY 10532
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Actually, it would help if you sent a letter acknowledging that
appreciation to my director.  As you may know, SIGCHI (nor any other
official organization) has ever formally acknowledged the HCI Bibliography
or the link pages on the SIGCHI site. (Ben Shneiderman gave me a personal
award, you may recall).  Without any form of acknowledgement, it becomes
more difficult for me to justify the effort.  Not a lot, because I can
point to over a million page hits in the past two years, but some.

Should you decide you would like to, you could send a letter to:
	Mike Teets
	OCLC
	6565 Frantz Rd.
	Dublin OH 43017

Gary

> I don't plan on participating.  Let me know if there is anything I can do.
> 
> Gary
> 
> > Gary,
> > 
> > ACM IS has agreed to meet with each SIGs Information Directors in order
> > to iron out wrinkles in our interaction, etc.  If you are interested
> > in joining Stephen Arnold and Bob Mack in New York for this meeting,
> > SIGCHI will happily pay your way.  We continue to appreciate the pages
> > you maintain and the work you do.
> > 
> > Let me know.
> > 
> > Marilyn
> > 
> 
> 


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I've lost my list of issues, but I know that ACM did get
the new versions of glimpse installed, which helped out the
HCIBIB a lot.  The search service has received 24130 requests
(1591 in the past week), and the HCIBIB home page has had
12859 visits since April 10.  This rivals the popularity
of the newly updated HCI-Sites page, which I think has had
over 10K hits in two months.

That reminds me that I really would like to be able to see
webserver stats on these pages.  It would be nice, but it's
not even close to critical.

I am still waiting for the searchable indexes to be set up
for the SIGCHI discussion and announcement lists.

I can't remember if there are any other information
infrastructure issues.

Gary

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I've found the ACM site to be unusually hard to use.
The hardest areas to use include the member account areas
(it's been difficult to get SIGCHI officers to successfully
start an account and set up and maintain email forwarding;
the online bookstore has migrated from an out of date set
of pages to a slow-loading and confusing collection of
generated pages.  The ACM home page has been simplified
from the JavaScript laden new version of a year ago, but is
still behind the curve on internationalization and accessibility
(run the acm pages through http://www.cast/org/bobby).

I wonder if any usability testing is done on any ACM pages.
I wonder if any usability testing will be done on resources
provided to chapters.

Given the track record of the past and present, I have to question
the ability of ACM to provide useful and usable resources.
I would be pleased to see more useful resources from ACM,
but to offer a reasonable level of functionality with the high
level of usability that such resources would require for volunteers
would require a substantial effort.  I hope such an effort is planned.

In the meantime, we will probably continue to use our own
calendar, email balloting, membership processing, mailing lists
etc for BuckCHI.  The main problem with these is their usability
for non-Webmasters.  The same problem exists on the SIGCHI pages
where most people do not have the technical skills to make simple
changes without breaking HTML.  So I think there is an opportunity
for ACM here.

I don't mean to be overly negative, but want to emphasize that
usability of tools is critical for non-experts to use them.
If the tools are not usable and/or they don't produce usable web
pages, then much of the effort will be wasted.

Gary Perlman, BuckCHI InfoDir (and de facto SIGCHI site maintainer)

> ACM is developing a Local Chapter Resource Center -- a place (one-stop
> shopping) for chapter officers to go to receive all ACM Chapter Resources.
> 
> Here is what the Resource Center is slated to provide:
>   - Calendar of Events: chapters will be able to post and update local
>     events and meetings;
>   - Electronic Balloting: will enable chapter members to vote for
>     officers electronically;
>   - Chapter Membership Processing, New and Renewals: chapters members
>     will be able to join and renew their local chapter membership on-line,
>     through the new ACM Oracle WEB Database ACM is transitioning to, via
>     credit card only;
>   - Maintaining Chapter Membership Database - chapter members will be able
>     to update their membership information, through the new ACM Oracle WEB
>     Database;
>   - Chapter's Officer's Network; a mailing list
>   - Mailing Label requests
>   - FAQ's
> 
> Some of you already have some of the above (e.g., electronic balloting,
> membership databases, online membership processing, ...).  T'would be great
> if you could share some info about what you have or need or are trying to
> develop with other Local SIG leaders via this mailing list and with Fran
> Sinhart, ACM's Local Activities Coordinator (sinhart@hq.acm.org).
> Interaction of this nature will help ensure what ACM develops will work for
> your local sig; plus, you might be able to get tools or other assistance
> from other local sigs; plus, ...
> 
> Richard
> 
>    ___________________________________________________________________
>                            Richard I. Anderson
>                   Usability/Design/Discovery Adventures
>              voice: +1 415 383-5689 x2   fax: +1 415 383-5187
>        riander@well.com  rianderson@acm.org  rianderson@baychi.org
>                63 Woodside Lane, Mill Valley CA 94941 USA
>                     http://www.well.com/user/riander/
> 


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Hi Stephen,

I don't know if I am answering for a UNIX and Web expert,
novice, or something in between, so I'll start with brief info.

There is an out of date infodir page:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/infodir/
As it was last modified in October of 1996, perhaps it is best ignored.

Most of the top level pages use server-side includes
for inserting common parts of pages and for inserting
update info about other pages.

Many pages have shell scripts to build parts to insert,
mostly documented in mkefiles, if you know make.
All parts should be under rcs control.

The news databases is under news/news.db.
Check it out, modify it, run make, check the news,
and check the news file back in.

Email list management may be way out of control.
I maintained the alias lists in listserv/eec.db
and info about mailing lists in lists.db.
On the website, there is a fair amount of info about
listserv at:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/
particularly under:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/listserv/#owners
Listserv is complex and there is a lot to know.
I'd estimate 20-40 hours to learn it well.

Gary

> 
> Where do I find this information?
> 
> Tips and hints on creating and modifying pages (Steven and/or Gary
> Perlman should document this): basically we use templates and embedded
> stuff that should not be messed with.
> 
> News database that Gary Perlman manages which is used to update the
> SIGCHI home page.
> 
> Email list management.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> 


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Marilyn,

I've spoken to Wayne Graves and the IS staff is preparing an update of activity for the SIGCHI leaders.

Donna 



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine [SMTP:tremaine@cs.princeton.edu]
> Sent:	Monday, December 11, 2000 2:12 PM
> To:	Donna Baglio; Marilyn Tremaine; RobertMack@us.ibm.com; Gary PERLMAN
> Subject:	[Fwd: RE: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]]
> 
> Donna,
> 
> You indicated at the SGB that I should go to you and Pat when we
> were having difficulties getting things done at ACM.  We have
> allowed time to pass because we know that ACM had a big server
> failure, but this should have all been fixed by now and it is not.
> 
> This is student final paper time.  We get an intensive amount of
> hits on these web pages for students searching the HCI Bibliographic
> service.  It is untenable that this should be down so long.  Certainly
> a commercial service that we pay for would not survive with this
> type of down time performance.
> 
> regards,
> Marilyn
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:33:23 -0500
> From: "Perlman,Gary" 
> To: "'tremaine@cs.princeton.edu'" ,"Perlman,Gary" 
> CC: "'bobmack@acm.org'" ,"'support@acm.org'"
> 
> My files have still not been restored.
> The server has not been set up properly.
> >From the point of view of SIGCHI, BuckHCI, and HCIBIB,
> nothing has happened in the past three weeks.
> 
> I have pages that ordinarily get hundreds of hits a week
> that are missing (e.g., suggested readings in HCI).
> 
> Is this somehow tied to the Presidential election?
> I wonder.  But seriously, I need the files and I
> would like a date by which I will get them.
> 
> I will soon start looking for a new server for
> HCIBIB and BuckCHI, and perhaps SIGCHI could get
> better service from some student's personal linux machine
> than SIGCHI sites get from ACM.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine [mailto:tremaine@cs.princeton.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:18 AM
> To: perlman@oclc.org
> Subject: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> 
> 
> Status from Bob Mack

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Marilyn,

I've spoken to Wayne Graves and the IS staff is preparing an update of activity for the SIGCHI leaders.

Donna 



> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Monday, December 11, 2000 2:12 PM
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> 
> Donna,
> 
> You indicated at the SGB that I should go to you and Pat when we
> were having difficulties getting things done at ACM.  We have
> allowed time to pass because we know that ACM had a big server
> failure, but this should have all been fixed by now and it is not.
> 
> This is student final paper time.  We get an intensive amount of
> hits on these web pages for students searching the HCI Bibliographic
> service.  It is untenable that this should be down so long.  Certainly
> a commercial service that we pay for would not survive with this
> type of down time performance.
> 
> regards,
> Marilyn
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:33:23 -0500
> From: "Perlman,Gary" 
> To: "'tremaine@cs.princeton.edu'" ,"Perlman,Gary" 
> CC: "'bobmack@acm.org'" ,"'support@acm.org'"
> 
> My files have still not been restored.
> The server has not been set up properly.
> >From the point of view of SIGCHI, BuckHCI, and HCIBIB,
> nothing has happened in the past three weeks.
> 
> I have pages that ordinarily get hundreds of hits a week
> that are missing (e.g., suggested readings in HCI).
> 
> Is this somehow tied to the Presidential election?
> I wonder.  But seriously, I need the files and I
> would like a date by which I will get them.
> 
> I will soon start looking for a new server for
> HCIBIB and BuckCHI, and perhaps SIGCHI could get
> better service from some student's personal linux machine
> than SIGCHI sites get from ACM.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine [mailto:tremaine@cs.princeton.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:18 AM
> To: perlman@oclc.org
> Subject: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> 
> 
> Status from Bob Mack

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Hi Marilyn,

Actually, the HCIBIB is still seachable, but I can't update it.

Similarly, we could send out a meeting announcement to our BuckCHI mailing
list, but we can't update the BuckCHI home or meetings pages.  Yesterday,
I had to send mail to a person with a listing for the BuckCHI jobs page
indicating that we can't update our pages.

You may recall that I declined to visit ACM on behalf of SIGCHI to discuss
the future of the SIGCHI web site.  I am irritated enough to tell you now
that it was because I had little faith that ACM staff were the right
people to ask about running any web services.  Now I have less.

My first order of business after the dust settles will be to get the
HCIBIB and BuckCHI off of ACM servers.  Before the dust settles, I may be
on chi-announcements asking if anyone has recent versions of 10-20 files
people used to be able to access.  Ughh.

Gary

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> You indicated at the SGB that I should go to you and Pat when we
> were having difficulties getting things done at ACM.  We have
> allowed time to pass because we know that ACM had a big server
> failure, but this should have all been fixed by now and it is not.
> 
> This is student final paper time.  We get an intensive amount of
> hits on these web pages for students searching the HCI Bibliographic
> service.  It is untenable that this should be down so long.  Certainly
> a commercial service that we pay for would not survive with this
> type of down time performance.
> 
> regards,
> Marilyn
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:33:23 -0500
> From: "Perlman,Gary" 
> To: "'tremaine@cs.princeton.edu'" ,"Perlman,Gary" 
> CC: "'bobmack@acm.org'" ,"'support@acm.org'"
> 
> My files have still not been restored.
> The server has not been set up properly.
> >From the point of view of SIGCHI, BuckHCI, and HCIBIB,
> nothing has happened in the past three weeks.
> 
> I have pages that ordinarily get hundreds of hits a week
> that are missing (e.g., suggested readings in HCI).
> 
> Is this somehow tied to the Presidential election?
> I wonder.  But seriously, I need the files and I
> would like a date by which I will get them.
> 
> I will soon start looking for a new server for
> HCIBIB and BuckCHI, and perhaps SIGCHI could get
> better service from some student's personal linux machine
> than SIGCHI sites get from ACM.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine [mailto:tremaine@cs.princeton.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:18 AM
> To: perlman@oclc.org
> Subject: [Fwd: SIGCHI Web site / ACM server crash]
> 
> 
> Status from Bob Mack
> 

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Hello,

This message is to inform you that software was installed on Turing this afternoon
I know allot of people have been asking for this very important tool.

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MySQL Version 3.22 is a very fast, multi-threaded, multi-user, and robust SQL (Structured Query Language) database server.

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Can I get you on the phone with some ACM support staff to get this resolved? I
don't know the technical details to fix this one and am not getting the help
from the system support people at the ACM. If you agree to talk with the ACM
people, I will have Alisa arange a conference call for you, someone on there
support staff at ACM, and myself.

Stephen Arnold

Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> SSI still has not been restored to the SIGCHI site.
>         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
> It should look like:
>         http://sigchi.org/
>
> With the February deadline of early registration coming up,
> the ACM server problems mean that visitors to the SIGCHI site
> are not only seeing a broken site, but also not seeing the news.
>
> In case it is not clear, this appears to be a problem introduced
> by the ACM staff when changing a server configuration, and it
> can only be fixed by ACM staff.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>
> > Server-Side Includes on the SIGCHI and SIGCAPH sites have been disabled.
> > Apparently this is a configuration change for the server (it is missing
> > the XBitHack to enable SSI for executable html file) that occurred
> > some time on Tuesday 6 February 2001.
> >
> > Gary Perlman
> >

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Please let me know what the problem is and I'll be happy to fix it.

Server-Side Includes have not been changed!!!!

--Anthony

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Can I get you on the phone with some ACM support staff to get this resolved? I
don't know the technical details to fix this one and am not getting the help
from the system support people at the ACM. If you agree to talk with the ACM
people, I will have Alisa arange a conference call for you, someone on there
support staff at ACM, and myself.

Stephen Arnold

Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> SSI still has not been restored to the SIGCHI site.
>         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
> It should look like:
>         http://sigchi.org/
>
> With the February deadline of early registration coming up,
> the ACM server problems mean that visitors to the SIGCHI site
> are not only seeing a broken site, but also not seeing the news.
>
> In case it is not clear, this appears to be a problem introduced
> by the ACM staff when changing a server configuration, and it
> can only be fixed by ACM staff.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>
> > Server-Side Includes on the SIGCHI and SIGCAPH sites have been disabled.
> > Apparently this is a configuration change for the server (it is missing
> > the XBitHack to enable SSI for executable html file) that occurred
> > some time on Tuesday 6 February 2001.
> >
> > Gary Perlman
> >

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Stephen,

My telephone is 212-626-0574 Please call me when you have a chance.
No configuration change has taken place on turing.acm.org but I recognize the problem.

I'm working on it.

--Anthony

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Can I get you on the phone with some ACM support staff to get this resolved? I
don't know the technical details to fix this one and am not getting the help
from the system support people at the ACM. If you agree to talk with the ACM
people, I will have Alisa arange a conference call for you, someone on there
support staff at ACM, and myself.

Stephen Arnold

Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> SSI still has not been restored to the SIGCHI site.
>         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
> It should look like:
>         http://sigchi.org/
>
> With the February deadline of early registration coming up,
> the ACM server problems mean that visitors to the SIGCHI site
> are not only seeing a broken site, but also not seeing the news.
>
> In case it is not clear, this appears to be a problem introduced
> by the ACM staff when changing a server configuration, and it
> can only be fixed by ACM staff.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>
> > Server-Side Includes on the SIGCHI and SIGCAPH sites have been disabled.
> > Apparently this is a configuration change for the server (it is missing
> > the XBitHack to enable SSI for executable html file) that occurred
> > some time on Tuesday 6 February 2001.
> >
> > Gary Perlman
> >

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This morning the problem with SSI on Turing was recognized and corrected.

The problem was not a configuration change but rather a corrupt web server 
configuration file.

Thank you.

--Anthony

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Can I get you on the phone with some ACM support staff to get this resolved? I
don't know the technical details to fix this one and am not getting the help
from the system support people at the ACM. If you agree to talk with the ACM
people, I will have Alisa arange a conference call for you, someone on there
support staff at ACM, and myself.

Stephen Arnold

Gary PERLMAN wrote:

> SSI still has not been restored to the SIGCHI site.
>         http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
> It should look like:
>         http://sigchi.org/
>
> With the February deadline of early registration coming up,
> the ACM server problems mean that visitors to the SIGCHI site
> are not only seeing a broken site, but also not seeing the news.
>
> In case it is not clear, this appears to be a problem introduced
> by the ACM staff when changing a server configuration, and it
> can only be fixed by ACM staff.
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, Gary PERLMAN wrote:
>
> > Server-Side Includes on the SIGCHI and SIGCAPH sites have been disabled.
> > Apparently this is a configuration change for the server (it is missing
> > the XBitHack to enable SSI for executable html file) that occurred
> > some time on Tuesday 6 February 2001.
> >
> > Gary Perlman
> >

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Server-Side Includes on the SIGCHI and SIGCAPH sites have been disabled.
Apparently this is a configuration change for the server (it is missing
the XBitHack to enable SSI for executable html file) that occurred
some time on Tuesday 6 February 2001.

Gary Perlman

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I have been asked to link from the www.sigchi.org/publications/index.html
page to www.sigchi.org/publications/CHILetters.html page. I am having
difficulty understanding the current structure of the publications index
page. Could you explain how I should add this?

Thanks

Stephen Arnold
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There is a page on my own web site that needs to be moved (copied not
linked) to the SIGCHI web site.

The URL is "http://icie.cs.byu.edu/CHILetters.html"

It needs a link from the SIGCHI pages. It really should go in the header
with interactions, Bulletin and TOCHI. It should also have a link from the
Publications page.

I believe that there is already a CHI-Letters directory on the web site.
That would be the place to put this page.

Thanks for all of your overworked help :-)


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dan R. Olsen Jr.              http://icie.cs.byu.edu/dan.html
Computer Science Department,  Brigham Young University



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Hi Gary,

  What happened with the Accesibility links from the SIGCHI page... it is
not working?  nor from the HCIBIB page... I hope it returns soon... 

      Best wishes... Ben S

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Wayne Graves also called me about the crash. He or Anthony del Rosso are
supposed to brief me today or tomorrow. The machine in question, called
"turing" was targetted for retirement, to be replaced with a Linux machine
over the next few months. The crash obviously moved that up. I don't know
what implications this will have for the various cgi server programs that
dynamically build page components. After I hear from ACM, I'll work with
Gary and Keith on implications of the migration for the existing backend
programs.

I'll keep you appraised.

Bob Mack
914 784-7830  (phone)
914 784-6307  (fax)

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Donna,

You indicated at the SGB that I should go to you and Pat when we
were having difficulties getting things done at ACM.  We have
allowed time to pass because we know that ACM had a big server
failure, but this should have all been fixed by now and it is not.

This is student final paper time.  We get an intensive amount of
hits on these web pages for students searching the HCI Bibliographic
service.  It is untenable that this should be down so long.  Certainly
a commercial service that we pay for would not survive with this
type of down time performance.

regards,
Marilyn

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To: "'tremaine@cs.princeton.edu'" ,"Perlman,Gary" 
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My files have still not been restored.
The server has not been set up properly.
>From the point of view of SIGCHI, BuckHCI, and HCIBIB,
nothing has happened in the past three weeks.

I have pages that ordinarily get hundreds of hits a week
that are missing (e.g., suggested readings in HCI).

Is this somehow tied to the Presidential election?
I wonder.  But seriously, I need the files and I
would like a date by which I will get them.

I will soon start looking for a new server for
HCIBIB and BuckCHI, and perhaps SIGCHI could get
better service from some student's personal linux machine
than SIGCHI sites get from ACM.

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Hi Gary,

Thanks for the heads-up on ACM's change to SSH.  SIGCHI
is happy to buy you SSH software.  Just send the bill to
ACM.  We have a new plan for handling budgets for volunteers.
I have not yet sent out a formal message to this extent, but
will give you a heads up on it in this message.

We are classifying volunteers into the EC and a set of other
recognized volunteers that have been with SIGCHI for a long
time.  We are asking them to set up their own budgets for their
needs for the year (2001- 2002).  We are then asking them to
send the budget to Rob Jacob our new VC Finances and to the Chair.
When expenditures needing reimbursement are made off the budget,
a spreadsheet of the expenses can be sent to Rob and the request
for reimbursement made to ACM.  You are one of the people who is
welcome to set up a budget for projected needs for the next year.
This way you can manage your own monies and not have to wait
until people get back from holidays to handle email, etc.

I also need to give you heads-up on some other issues that will
be affecting us.  

1. We are buying our own server.  It will stay at ACM, but it will
belong solely to SIGCHI.  When we do this, we will load alot of
software that is compatible with ACM, but also make sure that we have
all the software that supports things that SIGCHI does.

2. This server is in conjunction with a re-design of our web site.
We are putting an Oracle database behind it and building templates 
so that it is easier for members to update and so that it has the
same look and feel throughout - this does not affect our HCI-BIB
connection which we recognize as the most valuable part of what
we offer our members....well, they think it comes from SIGCHI and, I
agree, we are not doing anything to change people's opinions.

THE FOLLOWING IS PRIVATE DATA AND NOT FOR DISSEMINATION - IN PARTICULAR
IT SHOULD NOT GET BACK TO ACM UNTIL AFTER THE AUG 18th SGB MEETING

3. The SIGs are proposing to take over and manage the ACM Portal.  I
told the other big four (PlAN, GRAPH and DA) that we already had
a portal in terms of the HCI-BIB.  They are very interested in how
we do HCI-BIB and we could set some standards for how the ACM Portal
is run in general.  

Are you interested in being part of the managing team?  I think that 
your experience with international communities (your CUU paper), with
making web sites accessible, with HCI-BIB, etc. would make you a 
valuable pro-active member of the team.  The proposed costs for setting
up the ACM Portal are $1.4 Million plus yearly maintenance costs.

Regards,
Marilyn

Gary PERLMAN wrote:
> 
> Turing.acm.org is the machine that hosts the SIGCHI site
> and to which volunteers log in to change web pages,
> handle mainling lists, etc.
> 
> ACM is changing turing to only allow secure telnet access:
> 
>         ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!
>         ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
>         This message serves as a reminder that after July 23rd 2001
>         ACM will not allow logins on port 23 (TELNET) to Turing.
>         This machine runs an SSH server which is the same as telnet
>         but it's a secure shell with encryption.
> 
>         Your telnet client should support SSH but if not, we will help
>         find one.
> 
>         If you have any questions or comments please send them to me.
> 
>         System Administrator is Anthony Del Rosso del@acm.org
> 
> I have no knowledge or opinions about the merits of this change.
> 
> I do not have access to a secure telnet client, so I asked ACM
> for one.  The one I got comes with a 30 day trial.
>         http://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/
> but will cost $99 to license.  I suspect that other volunteers
> will be in the same situation.
> 
> Could SIGCHI coordinate and pay for software that is now necessary
> to be a volunteer? There are discounts for multiple licenses,
> but these are not so large that coordination is critical.  It may
> be more of an issue of managing many individual requests.
> 
> Or, SIGCHI might want to coordinate with ACM.  This could affect
> all the SIGs and many local chapters.
> 
> Or, perhaps SIGCHI could bid turing.acm.org a fond farewell.
> 
> Gary Perlman, SIGCHI cobbler, BuckCHI Webmaster, HCIBIB director, Email manager, etc.
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Hans,

What Keith writes is not an unreasonable proposition and
goes along with our web redesign efforts.  The big SIGCHI
concern is having a continuing cost of say $50 K per year
to maintain its web pages but if we could have better
server support than we are getting from ACM for $5K per
year this would be an acceptable cost.

So....Hans, if you want to look into this possibility
and / or put a committee together to consider this, it
might be very useful for SIGCHI.  Gary and Keith can give
you many years of history on the support we get from ACM
for our web service.

regards,
Marilyn

-------- Original Message --------
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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:14:47 -0400
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To: tremaine@CS.Princeton.EDU, Hans degraaff ,Robert Mack 
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At 1:38 PM +0100 7/8/01, Marilyn (Mantei) Tremaine wrote:
>If any of you do not have SSH software and need it to
>continue your web page updates for SIGCHI, SIGCHI will
>reimburse you for your purchase.  Please send the bill to
>ACM (Alisa Rivkin) and a copy to Rob Jacob (our new VC
>Finance.

I found a free SSH client for the Mac ("MacSSH") and have used it for 
the past week. Seems to be just as good as the 1994 telnet client I 
was using before.

So I am set for now, thanks for checking. But I might need an SSH for 
my PC/laptop in case I need to do some work for SIGCHI while I am on 
the road. As little as I would use that, however, seems like not 
worth $99.

I just found a workaround for me. I can telnet to instone.org, and 
then SSH to turing. Like having my own web server, domains and shell 
more and more every day. So I am still set, do not need to buy 
anything at all.


Do not get me fantasizing about not using turing, Gary. (^: For $150 
a month, you can get some pretty damn good web services out there. I 
use http://home.verio.net/products/hosting/web/vps/ for instone.org, 
Usable Web, universalusability.org, even hosting a non-profit for 
some community good will.

Gives me a Unix command line like turing, but I can create my own 
users and email address by myself, get a new domain up and running in 
a day, and write all of the Perl code I need to make it run 
efficiently. Would still want to use Listserv @ acm.org for the big 
discussion lists, but otherwise, ACM does not have much to offer, 
IMHO. With sigchi.org registered, chi-place.org, hcibib.org and even 
more obscure ones like chi-web.org now, it seems like SIGCHI could 
help its volunteers more by hosting domains for them to do their 
volunteer work under. I see this as a viable new model for SIGCHI to 
help its volunteers help it. The SIGCHI site itself would mainly be a 
gateway to the sites that its volunteers do on its behalf.

I know, the strategy in the past has been to use ACM resources 
whenever possible. I will still go along with that, but I can dream, 
can't I?

Keith

-- 
Keith Instone - keith@instone.org - http://keith.instone.org/

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On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Gary PERLMAN wrote:

>> I understand. Certainly better than creating new backup files with
>> uncertain state all the time. I like CVS (which is built on top of
>> RCS anyway) because it doesn't require locks, and because it is
>> easy to have a local copy of the repository. That makes it easy to
>> make and test changes locally, and them promote them to the actual
>> website.
> 
> Sounds useful.  I'll check it out.  cvshome.org, I think.

The manual page lists these URLs:  and
.

> This is what drives me nuts.  On the server for sigchi.org,
> the xbithack is not used and any file will run SSI.  On
> acm.org/sigchi the executable bit must be set, so ecompare:
> 	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/education/tutorials2go.html
> 	http://www.sigchi.org/education/tutorials2go.html
> It took me several weeks to get ACM staff to allow the
> xbithack feature to be set up, during which time the
> SIGCHI site was pretty badly broken after the big crash
> last year (we lost a lot of data, too).

Hmm, I had not realized these are actually different servers, even
though they serve the same pages. Surely something I'd like to discuss
next weekend with the ACM people. I just checked, and the .shtml trick
does work (i.e. files with an .shtml extension will get parsed on both
servers regardless of the x bit). 

Hans

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This is my LAST EVER message about the SIGCHI site being broken.

This appears to be a problem that now recurs every week or two:
The URL:
	http://www.acm.org/sigchi/
is broken so that files included into the page are not being
included.  Judging from the page hits (you know, the stats
we can not get from ACM staff so I need to instrument the pages),
this problem started last Friday.  There had been another problem
the previous week.

This is the the same server configuration problem resulting from
what ACM has imposed since the server hardware crash of last year.
I think SIGCHI needs to convince ACM staff that human time
(ACM staff and SIGCHI volunteer) is more valuable than CPU time.  
Or maybe having broken HTML pages is perfectly acceptable.
There have been no less than 10 server configuration problems
for acm.org/sigchi and sigchi.org in the past year -- ample
evidence that the problem has never been addressed properly and
won't be fixed without the serious attention of the SIGCHI EC.

I think one serious problem is that it appears that the SIGCHI
EC does not pay attention to the sigchi web site.  How could
this problem be i place for four days without anyone fixing it?
Why do I always need to be the one who files these messages?

Begin geek:
The short term solution is to set up the apache server to allow
the XBitHack to enable SSI.  The long term solution is to configure
the server to run SSI on all html files.
End geek.

I reserve the right to complain about the BuckCHI site and hcibib.org,
both of which seem to work better than the SIGCHI site.

Gary